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    Posted: March 02 2014 at 09:48
Is it going to be the 3rd world war?! Ouch

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Ukraine in full army mobilisation
Ukraine announces a full military mobilisation in response to the continuing Russian build-up of forces in Crimea.
Heavily-armed unidentified troops in Simferopol

And so close to our bordedrs...

And this was posted by my bro on FB:
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The yesterdays Russian Federation lower house of parliament and presidents Putin statements and subsequent actions reminds the 17th of September 1939, invasion of Poland:
(...) The Soviet government also cannot remain indifferent when the brothers of the same blood, Ukrainians and Belarusians residing in the Polish territory and left to their own fate, are without any defense.
Given this situation, the Soviet government issued orders to the high command of the Red Army to cross the border and act to defense the life and property of the population of Western Ukraine and Western Belarus.
The Soviet government also intends to make every effort to free the Polish people from the ill-fated war in which they were driven by the foolish leaders, and give them the possibility of existence in peace.
Signed: People's Commissar for Foreign Affairs

Striking resemblance indeed!
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Originally posted by Tuzvihar Tuzvihar wrote:

Is it going to be the 3rd world war?! Ouch


I don't think so.  Unfortunately this means letting Putin go unchallenged in this affair.  The US/UK/EU can do things like boycott the upcoming G8 in Sochi, or possibly consider sanctions, but that's as far as it will go I think.


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Not at the moment.  But a lot depends on how successful this testing-the-waters-mission of Putin turns out to be and whether he gets greedy or he is content with one strategic gain.  If he starts harbouring ambitions, then there's going to be trouble.  I hope he gets wounded enough in Ukraine itself to feel discouraged.  Russia is not in great shape, economy wise, so he can't stretch himself as much as he is making it out to be.
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If anything I think it's more of a re-run of the Georgian War of 2008, with Crimea standing in for South Ossetia. I can't imagine the EU/NATO intervening like they did in Kosovo, they already backed down from doing that in Syria last year because it was obvious that'd really rustle Vladimir Putin's jimmies.
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It reminds me of the time when European leaders gave Hitler Czechoslovakia to please him. It only made his appetite grow larger and soon after getting that little finger he reached for the whole palm. Do not make this mistake again!


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Points: 18016 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2014 at 12:44
sure hope not, because a 3rd world war would mostly consist of nations bombing the sh*t out of each other
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I doubt it. From what I've heard, Russia's after a small area of Ukraine that is heavily Russian. Most people speak Russian, and surround themselves in Russian culture, and has been wanting independence from Ukraine for a long time. I doubt Russia or any other parties involved would let this situation escalate into a world war when it's only over a small part of the country.
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I don't think these moves on the chessboard will ever culminate in a world war. It's messy though.
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Originally posted by smartpatrol smartpatrol wrote:

I doubt it. From what I've heard, Russia's after a small area of Ukraine that is heavily Russian. Most people speak Russian, and surround themselves in Russian culture, and has been wanting independence from Ukraine for a long time. I doubt Russia or any other parties involved would let this situation escalate into a world war when it's only over a small part of the country.
Yes, letting the Russians have Crimea, as it's only a small part of Ukraine, sounds like a bulletproof way to prevent another world war and preserve peace for our time.

Andrew, go tell your mother you need a history lesson, right now, specifically about the events leading up to WWII.

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Like others before me, I could not imagine this leading to a world war.
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Originally posted by The Bearded Bard The Bearded Bard wrote:

Originally posted by smartpatrol smartpatrol wrote:

I doubt it. From what I've heard, Russia's after a small area of Ukraine that is heavily Russian. Most people speak Russian, and surround themselves in Russian culture, and has been wanting independence from Ukraine for a long time. I doubt Russia or any other parties involved would let this situation escalate into a world war when it's only over a small part of the country.
Yes, letting the Russians have Crimea, as it's only a small part of Ukraine, sounds like a bulletproof way to prevent another world war and preserve peace for our time.

Andrew, go tell your mother you need a history lesson right now, specifically about the events leading up to WWII.

Yes, look up "Sudetenland". As far as the Crimea, that peninsula has been a sticking point for Russia as far back as Peter the Great.

In an additional bit of deja vu, Putin got in his Olympics before escalating tensions and invading, just like Hitler 
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I seriously doubt it: no one would like to try to set up a war against Russia, not only for the fear of reprisal, but also for the potential economical consequencies. After all, the russian territory is the main corridor for the gas sent to Europe...

Furthermore, I won't say that the European leaders and/or the USA are cowards, but if UE and USA can't even make their minds about Syria, how could they threaten Russia of any military operation?
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For all the singular steps we've taken to advance ourselves on this planet, one would like to believe that as a people we are above such nonsense as warring against each other. Sadly though, we know this is not true. Let's hope and pray that any conflict can be rectified without bloodshed.
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Points: 14169 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2014 at 15:18
Originally posted by The Bearded Bard The Bearded Bard wrote:

[QUOTE=smartpatrol]Andrew, go tell your mother you need a history lesson, right now, specifically about the events leading up to WWII.
LOL actually my Dad would be more suited for that, he's a bit of a WW2 buff
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Originally posted by deafmoon deafmoon wrote:

For all the singular steps we've taken to advance ourselves on this planet, one would like to believe that as a people we are above such nonsense as warring against each other. Sadly though, we know this is not true. Let's hope and pray that any conflict can be rectified without bloodshed.


Exactly, same old dreary BS since time immemorial. Yawn,little boys wanna be men! Confused
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Points: 6797 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2014 at 16:21
Of course not. Who would be stupid enough to let that happen? ..

Ah well at least I'm too old to be called up?
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I thank God that Obama is in the White House rather than a Tea Party Republican.

Hopefully common sense will prevail. But I'm staying in England and I'm not going home until it all blows over just in case. My brothers' a reserve airman in the ANG so he'll be called up if it all kicks off.
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Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

I seriously doubt it: no one would like to try to set up a war against Russia, not only for the fear of reprisal, but also for the potential economical consequencies. After all, the russian territory is the main corridor for the gas sent to Europe...

Furthermore, I won't say that the European leaders and/or the USA are cowards, but if UE and USA can't even make their minds about Syria, how could they threaten Russia of any military operation?

Exactly right! Just wondering why USA is sticking their nose in and interfering? Does Ukraine have oil?
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Points: 17121 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2014 at 19:38
I don't think this is world war 3, it's more like World War 4, cause World War 3 ended up with the US beating the Soviet Union..
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