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genbanks 
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 Posted: January 10 2014 at 10:37 |
 chopper wrote:
ten years after wrote:
I think Pictures at an Exhibition could reasonably be included in the list. Although a live album it contains no material that is available on a studio album. |
That's actually incorrect now - check out "In The Hot Seat". |
Yes, the one in wich the bonus is far far far better than the album itself, and I have this album just because this bonus track. In despite of that Pictures is shorter than the original, this studio version is killer.
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Posted: January 10 2014 at 10:53 |
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As much as I like the debut album I'm always surprised at how many people completely miss the career microcosm it represents for both the demise of ELP and the Nice i.e. the ELP debut has what are tantamount to 3 solo tracks to appease their creators (3 Fates, Tank, Lucky Man) while come full circle, Works Volume One has 3 entire solo sides to appease their creators. The fatal flaws were there from the outset. Similarly, the Nice broke up after Jackson and Davidson voiced misgivings about renouncing the bread and butter rock elements in favour of the orchestral hybrid. Lake and Palmer said similar about the resultant Works tour.
BTW voted for Brain Salad Surgery. Emerson's music may have always been augmented by orchestral forces, but this existed largely in his head only.
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Posted: January 11 2014 at 01:50 |
genbanks wrote:
chopper wrote:
ten years after wrote:
I think Pictures at an Exhibition could reasonably be included in the list. Although a live album it contains no material that is available on a studio album. |
That's actually incorrect now - check out "In The Hot Seat". |
Yes, the one in wich the bonus is far far far better than the album itself, and I have this album just because this bonus track. In despite of that Pictures is shorter than the original, this studio version is killer. |
Was that version of Pictures record around the time of the ITHS album, or was it recorded long ago and just released then?
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richardh
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Posted: January 11 2014 at 03:06 |
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The studio version of Pictures was recorded for the Return Of The Manticore box set which also included new versions of 21st Century Schizoid Man , Hang On To A Dream and Fire. It was track NO5 on Disc One (of four). That box set also includes a few previously unreleased tracks and also what appears to be a remix of Pirates with canons and additional percussion.
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Mirror Image
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Posted: May 11 2014 at 20:47 |
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Brain Salad Surgery no question about it. I do like Trilogy and their self-titled album a good bit, though. I always thought Tarkus was a weaker album, but the Tarkus Suite is a great piece.
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Mirror Image
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Posted: May 11 2014 at 20:48 |
Whoever voted for Love Beach ought to be ashamed of themselves. 
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Posted: May 11 2014 at 20:55 |
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Brain Salad Surgery
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richardh
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Posted: May 12 2014 at 01:35 |
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Whoever voted for Love Beach ought to be ashamed of themselves. |
its really the 'I hate this band' option so only 2 votes is not too bad
ironically its far from their worst album as that dubious honour goes to 'down the toilet seat' although it may have picked up one 'honest' vote for the bonus track Pictures At An Exhibition (although I doubt it)
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Posted: May 12 2014 at 12:55 |
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Just listened to Trilogy all the way thru not long ago and it still floors me. Their debut remains one of the most innovative eye-openers in history but it can't match Trilogy for overall consistency.
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Mirror Image
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Posted: May 12 2014 at 13:12 |
richardh wrote:
Mirror Image wrote:
Whoever voted for Love Beach ought to be ashamed of themselves. |
its really the 'I hate this band' option so only 2 votes is not too bad
ironically its far from their worst album as that dubious honour goes to 'down the toilet seat' although it may have picked up one 'honest' vote for the bonus track Pictures At An Exhibition (although I doubt it) |
This is true I suppose. I think ELP gets so much dirt thrown at them for no good reason. I mean sure they made some terrible albums but so did all of the major prog bands at some point, although I maintain that King Crimson were one of the most consistent throughout their history.
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Mirror Image
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Posted: May 12 2014 at 13:12 |
Chicapah wrote:
Just listened to Trilogy all the way thru not long ago and it still floors me. Their debut remains one of the most innovative eye-openers in history but it can't match Trilogy for overall consistency. |
I'm re-listening to Trilogy right now actually. Not a bad album at all.
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Posted: May 12 2014 at 18:23 |
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Gotta go with Tarkus!
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richardh
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Posted: May 13 2014 at 02:02 |
Mirror Image wrote:
Chicapah wrote:
Just listened to Trilogy all the way thru not long ago and it still floors me. Their debut remains one of the most innovative eye-openers in history but it can't match Trilogy for overall consistency. |
I'm re-listening to Trilogy right now actually. Not a bad album at all. |
I wonder why this album is not higher rated on PA given that consistency is a big thing for most reviewers?
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Posted: May 13 2014 at 09:12 |
we used to call their debut, the dove album
and right now it edges out trilogy by a hair
in my mind
both are superb albums that never get old
and continue to surprise and amaze
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Posted: May 13 2014 at 10:09 |
richardh wrote:
Mirror Image wrote:
I'm re-listening to Trilogy right now actually. Not a bad album at all. |
I wonder why this album is not higher rated on PA given that consistency is a big thing for most reviewers? |
As an ELP fan you just have to accept that they will never be universally loved, even in the Prog community. They have made albums that are intermittently brilliant (Tarkus), and albums that are solid and consistent (Trilogy), doesn't seem to matter. The debut album had 50% solo pieces on it which is cited by some as a weakness, but then half of Yes' Fragile is solo material of roughly similar quality (IMHO) and that is rated the 11th best album of all time on PA. They are also criticised by some for being overly serious, and by others for having too many jokey songs!
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Posted: May 13 2014 at 16:09 |
Cactus Choir wrote:
richardh wrote:
Mirror Image wrote:
I'm re-listening to Trilogy right now actually. Not a bad album at all. |
I wonder why this album is not higher rated on PA given that consistency is a big thing for most reviewers? |
As an ELP fan you just have to accept that they will never be universally loved, even in the Prog community. They have made albums that are intermittently brilliant (Tarkus), and albums that are solid and consistent (Trilogy), doesn't seem to matter. The debut album had 50% solo pieces on it which is cited by some as a weakness, but then half of Yes' Fragile is solo material of roughly similar quality (IMHO) and that is rated the 11th best album of all time on PA.
They are also criticised by some for being overly serious, and by others for having too many jokey songs!
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Fragile though has solo pieces that are cleverly sprinkled across the album thus not destroying the overall feeling. I think it deserves its position.
Tarkus yep it has a patchy second half that is unforgiveable and BSS although my favourite album is marmite to prog fans.(its a love or hate it album). But Trilogy has no out and out weak moments and displays a pleasing maturity lyrically in terms of Lake's input. Vocally it was also Lake's finest moment. On top of that it has many beautifull moog moments and Carl Palmer's drumming was never more crisp or accurate. Add the final cherry of the Eddy Offord spot on engineering (the last time he worked with ELP) and honestly I would expect this to be higher rated. Ivan rates this as ELP's finest work and he knows his symphonic prog inside out.
I take your point though 
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Posted: May 13 2014 at 16:25 |
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Tarkus for me
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Ruby900
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Posted: May 14 2014 at 03:25 |
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Very tricky one.....But the debut get's my vote. I love aspects of Brain Salad surgery, but some of the lyrics are just plain terrible. I love the swagger of the first album. A superb debut!
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Posted: May 16 2014 at 05:31 |
Brain Salad Surgery -and whoever voted Love Beach requires immediate Brain surgery... 
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Posted: May 16 2014 at 05:58 |
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BSS from that list but I would've voted for Pictures At An Exhibition had it been included.
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