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Points: 30093 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2014 at 15:16
The inclusion of Queen was much more contentious than Iron Maiden for me. Powerslave , Seventh Son and Somewhere In Time stretched metal that bit further. Could be 'prog metal' and some of the inventiveness displayed on something like Phantom Of The Opera is much better than just about anything I'be heard by DT. (IMO)
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Points: 46838 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2014 at 13:44
Originally posted by bhikkhu bhikkhu wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

thanks!!  Nice to be back, this place was always more a home than FB ever was.  It was always a hive of villainy and scum but it was fun and it helped we were counted among the villains and scum so we fit right in. LOL

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Points: 20617 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2014 at 12:54
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^Always loved that Genghis Khan atmosphere in the superb album 'Piece Of Mind, anyways I don't think so.


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Points: 5109 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2014 at 12:26
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

thanks!!  Nice to be back, this place was always more a home than FB ever was.  It was always a hive of villainy and scum but it was fun and it helped we were counted among the villains and scum so we fit right in. LOL

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Points: 46838 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2014 at 09:10
thanks!!  Nice to be back, this place was always more a home than FB ever was.  It was always a hive of villainy and scum but it was fun and it helped we were counted among the villains and scum so we fit right in. LOL
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Points: 24439 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2014 at 09:09
Originally posted by aapatsos aapatsos wrote:

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Micky and Raff good to see you around


Thank you, Athanasios, likewise! I have missed this place, and am happy to be back!
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Points: 9226 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2014 at 09:04
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Micky and Raff good to see you around
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Points: 24439 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2014 at 08:59
Originally posted by bhikkhu bhikkhu wrote:

I was around for the initial addition. Just getting them in as related was huge debate. It sparked a lot of controversy and tempers ran high. Be happy they are here at all.


Well, as I was the one who actually added them to the DB, I still have the scars to showWink... Back in the good old days, there were people who were not shy about ad hominem attacks. Thank heavens things seem to have calmed down around here.

Personally, I think Iron Maiden belong at the very least in the PR category, and not just because they write long songs. Classic prog has been a huge influence in their sound, and the band members have never been shy about declaring themselves prog fans. And what does "just metal" mean anyway? Metal, even in its earlier days, had a lot of different subgenres which sounded quite different from each other - in some ways, even more so than prog.
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Points: 46838 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2014 at 08:51
Originally posted by bhikkhu bhikkhu wrote:

I was around for the initial addition. Just getting them in as related was huge debate. It sparked a lot of controversy and tempers ran high. Be happy they are here at all.


hahaha.  Good times indeed HT.
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Points: 5109 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2014 at 08:49
I was around for the initial addition. Just getting them in as related was huge debate. It sparked a lot of controversy and tempers ran high. Be happy they are here at all.
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Points: 1029 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2014 at 03:21
They were certainly very influential to what became Prog Metal. Listen to Seventh Son and you can see where DT came from. 

Maiden did concept albums, long epic songs, instrumentals of a complex nature. And Harris was/is a prog fan. There's certainly enough reason for them to belong on this site, even if only 'prog related'. 

I think most of their albums since Bruce and Adrian returned to the band sound quite proggy. Especially the second half of The Final Frontier. All songs are 8 minutes plus, on the second side 
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Points: 15926 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2014 at 00:38
I've always thought the much maligned album The X Factor as being at least 80% Prog-Metal.....
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Points: 13338 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2014 at 12:14
Originally posted by infocat infocat wrote:

For what it's worth, here's a quote from Harris' Wikipedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Harris_%28musician%29):

"Influences

Harris was influenced by the progressive rock bands of the 1970s, as well as early hard rock bands. His influences include Black Sabbath,[15] Deep Purple,[15] Emerson, Lake & Palmer,[48] Genesis,[3][15] Jethro Tull,[3][15] Led Zeppelin,[15] Pink Floyd,[3][15] Thin Lizzy,[49] UFO,[50] Wishbone Ash,[49] and Yes.[15] Speaking about the early Iron Maiden sound, Steve Harris described the band as utilising twin-guitar harmonies inspired by Wishbone Ash and Thin Lizzy,[51] complex time and mood changes from Genesis and Jethro Tull,[51] and the dark melodic elements of Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, and Led Zeppelin.[15]"

This isn't to say IM belongs in prog metal here.  Just to say that Harris, at least, was a prog fan from his early days.






I don't know if they're prog-related but they've certainly covered prog bands. Can't say they sound better than the originals either.
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Points: 4671 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2014 at 10:57
For what it's worth, here's a quote from Harris' Wikipedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Harris_%28musician%29):

"Influences

Harris was influenced by the progressive rock bands of the 1970s, as well as early hard rock bands. His influences include Black Sabbath,[15] Deep Purple,[15] Emerson, Lake & Palmer,[48] Genesis,[3][15] Jethro Tull,[3][15] Led Zeppelin,[15] Pink Floyd,[3][15] Thin Lizzy,[49] UFO,[50] Wishbone Ash,[49] and Yes.[15] Speaking about the early Iron Maiden sound, Steve Harris described the band as utilising twin-guitar harmonies inspired by Wishbone Ash and Thin Lizzy,[51] complex time and mood changes from Genesis and Jethro Tull,[51] and the dark melodic elements of Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, and Led Zeppelin.[15]"

This isn't to say IM belongs in prog metal here.  Just to say that Harris, at least, was a prog fan from his early days.
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Points: 1607 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2014 at 08:50
Originally posted by HackettFan HackettFan wrote:

I recall from interviews a long time ago a couple of the guys in Iron Maiden were Hackett fans, specifically mentioning Voyage of the Acolyte. However, I could never detect how they might have been influenced by him. 
 
People in my country who were in IM were also in BS, Motor Head, Whitesnake, Deff Leppard, Scorpions, Kiss, Quiet Riot, etc., and they had no interest in Genesis, Camel, etc. or not even knew their prog works - I'm talking about the begining of the 80's, when I happened to know these hard rock bands thanks to people who never on earth wanted to know anything of prog except for Rush and Marillion (and only because these were massively played in the radios). So it'd be quite weird that they would be also Steve Hackett fans, and other point to remark is that he was never played in that "famous" radio stations here in Brazil, not by chance I'm still waiting him to come at least once to give a live show.
 
EDIT: Sorry about the misunderstanding - didn't realize you were meaning the guys in Iron Maiden as THE MEMBERS of the band. Now I've learnt the following lesson: never do a "dynamic lecture" when you are not prepared for that...


Edited by Rick Robson - May 18 2014 at 20:14


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Points: 4579 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2014 at 02:17
I think that Iron Maiden play heavy-metal/hard-rock music (with some progressive music elements). And I believe it is not enough to put them in the progressive metal category. Maybe, the are progressive music related, but, I am not sure of that...
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Points: 15926 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2014 at 22:34
Harris' favourite album is claimed to be Genesis' Foxtrot'
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Points: 65780 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2014 at 22:25
Iron Maiden were always progressive metal, but they were the defining ProgMetal band and so, as far as PA goes, remain for better or worse in the realm of chrysalis; protoplasm; an eolith crucial to but not technically a part of Progmetal as a fully formed and autonomous subgenre.
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I recall from interviews a long time ago a couple of the guys in Iron Maiden were Hackett fans, specifically mentioning Voyage of the Acolyte. However, I could never detect how they might have been influenced by him. Beyond having some long songs with Prog mythological subject matters, I'm not sure how they would be Prog. I never understood how Queensryche was Prog. I never understood how Coheed and Cambria was Prog either.
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Points: 1327 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2014 at 10:03
the most progressive Maiden album is more progressive than the most progressive Nightwish album.
the most progressive Maiden album is more progressive than the most progressive Blind Guardian album.
and finally, for metalheads,  ALL WE CARE IS THAT THEY'RE METAL. 
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