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Dean
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Posted: February 05 2015 at 06:19 |
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I don't think it has to do with our age but rather how quickly things around us change.In the old days (and I mean way before the seventies) advancements in technology, and society in general occurred at a slower pace. As the world became more modern the advancements/discoveries happened at a more rapid pace. I think this causes people to feel that time is passing faster than it used to so that a period of ten years may seem to go by quicker than it did when the world moved at a much slower pace.
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I don't believe this is true. I do not see that there has been a marked increase in technological advancement since the 1970s. What we have seen is a steady increase in application of technology, but the pace of that isn't as fast as you would assume. We are currently in a prolonged period of depressed technological advancement that has been on-going for some twenty years or more. (The only, as yet commercially unrealised, technological development in recent years that springs to mind is graphene - based upon 20th-century science it was first isolated as a practical substance in 2004).
All the tech we currently regard as commonplace is merely a development from technology that was created several decades earlier. Even the cell phones that we all take for granted are just the application of old technology.
We now have electric cars, but we had those on our streets in the 1960s (they were commonly used to deliver milk for example) - the technology of the modern electric car existed in the 1970s, it was just never applied - the electric motors are more or less the same (copper, iron, rare-earth magnets etc), we had computers, integrated circuits, micro-computers and the Li-ion batteries that power them were first invented in the 1970s. Even the liquid crystal display was developed in the 1970s (though the science of liquid crystals is even older than that).
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omphaloskepsis
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Posted: February 05 2015 at 06:42 |
The 70's was classic for almost every type of music. Soul, Prog, Pop, Jazz, among other broad musical genres. As a teenager, I thought the tsunami of classic music would never stop. But I didn't think of the music as classic. No, I thought "Close to the Edge" was the general state of music. By the time the 80's creep up on me the music died, or at least went on life support. I realized I had been thick as brick to think the prog masterpieces would keep flowing. Wish You Were Here took on a whole new meaning for me.
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Posted: February 05 2015 at 07:21 |
My comment was based on (as I said in my post) way before the seventies. My point was that there were fewer technological advancements in my grandfather's lifetime than there have been in my lifetime. There will be more advancements in my grandchildren's (I have four) lifetime than in mine. An important point in your post was application of technology. Regardless of when cell phone technology was developed it did not effect our lives until it was introduced to the general public. The same can be said about television. It was years before manufacturers produced them in quantity so that the price was affordable to the average family. While some areas of technology may be depressed others are not. Honda is working on a robot that can do amazing things. This is basically the same technology that has resulted in the rapid advancements in the field of artificial limbs. While not necessarily at a steady uninterrupted pace, technology is still moving forward and it will continue to do so. This takes me back to my original comment that advancements in technology may cause the appearance of life moving faster than it did in the past.
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Posted: February 05 2015 at 08:25 |
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Does any band in the 2010s think about their music being heard in the 2050s?
In the 1970s, longevity meant the Rock 'n' Roll revival. The music of 40 years earlier was mostly forgotten - Louis Armstrong was that guy who sang "What A Wonderful World" in 1967, rather than that guy whose trumpet was heard throughout every decade since the 1920s.
I don't think anyone thought forty years ahead when they were promoting their latest album.
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I agree with you on that Stool......I listened to all the classic prog and non prog albums when they came out back in the day and I never ever thought about their longevity or if they would become 'classics'.
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Dean
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Posted: February 05 2015 at 08:29 |
TeleStrat wrote:
My comment was based on (as I said in my post) way before the seventies. My point was that there were fewer technological advancements in my grandfather's lifetime than there have been in my lifetime. There will be more advancements in my grandchildren's (I have four) lifetime than in mine.An important point in your post was application of technology. Regardless of when cell phone technology was developed it did not effect our lives until it was introduced to the general public. The same can be said about television. It was years before manufacturers produced them in quantity so that the price was affordable to the average family. While some areas of technology may be depressed others are not. Honda is working on a robot that can do amazing things. This is basically the same technology that has resulted in the rapid advancements in the field of artificial limbs. While not necessarily at a steady uninterrupted pace, technology is still moving forward and it will continue to do so. This takes me back to my original comment that advancements in technology may cause the appearance of life moving faster than it did in the past. |
That is all relative - if we consider what did advance in our grandparents day then it is my contention that it was as fast, if not faster, than we are experiencing now. That isn't even that dependent upon when your grandparents were alive since it is all relative.
My grandfolk were born at the beginning of the last century and died in the early 70s, their lifetime saw the first heavier than air flight by the Wright Brothers to the first Moon landing and cheap air travel for all; science went from Rutherford and the Curies dabbling with radioactive materials to the atomic bomb, the arms-race and nuclear power stations; electronics went from Marconi fiddling with cats whiskers to global communication and a TV in every home; and the automobile went from being an expensive plaything of the idle rich to the people's car with one in every garage. Practically every domestic labour-saving gadget we currently possess (apart from the microwave and the personal computer) was invented before my father (1934-1990) was even born.
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Posted: February 05 2015 at 08:51 |
I have been told that time i relative to the current age. So that a 4 year old, fells like a year i a long time (25% of this life) while a 10 years old its 10% of his life a 40 years old only 2,5 %, and so on. That should be how, i seems the years a flowing faster, as you grow old.
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Posted: February 05 2015 at 08:53 |
My grandmother died in the early forties and my grandfather in the early fifties so they did not see a lot of the things your grandparents did. I do not doubt any of your facts at all. I do believe that a hundred years ago when my grandparents were a young couple in the mid west that life generally moved at a slower pace than it does now. The bottom line is that I'm a sixty-five year old man from Missouri and I'm about as stubborn as they come so it's unlikely that we will agree on this subject. But that's okay because I do enjoy our occasionally discussions and I look forward to more of the same.
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Posted: February 05 2015 at 09:01 |
Relative to the original question, i think it was as impossible to know that would "last" back then, as it is now. In the 70's when i was listning to Razamanaz, Slayed and Houses of the Holy, I would have no idear that Zeppelin would be consideret Legends, where Slade and Nazareth would be allmost forgotten within the next 40 years, Or even worse, that Slade would be remembered for a Christmas song
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Posted: February 05 2015 at 09:04 |
in all honesty - it's true - we didn't stare at the albums and say - wow - this will be a classic for all time, But I know I said - wow - i'm going to play this forever. I never cared about anyone elses future in this regard - just mine. And I've never been wrong - everything I loved then, I love now. They're all personal classics.
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Posted: February 05 2015 at 09:06 |
TeleStrat wrote:
My grandmother died in the early forties and my grandfather in the early fifties so they did not see a lot of the things your grandparents did. I do not doubt any of your facts at all.I do believe that a hundred years ago when my grandparents were a young couple in the mid west that life generally moved at a slower pace than it does now. The bottom line is that I'm a sixty-five year old man from Missouri and I'm about as stubborn as they come so it's unlikely that we will agree on this subject. But that's okay because I do enjoy our occasionally discussions and I look forward to more of the same.
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I suspect that the pace of life is dependent upon our desire to keep up with it. And this is also true of current trends in music. I would imagine that younger folks' appreciation of modern music is governed by their desire to keep up with the latest trends and new releases just as it was in our day. In our insular world of Progressive Rock we spend more time looking backwards than we do looking forward so even Steven Wilson (currently 47 years-old) who has been supplying us with Progressive Rock music for the best part of 28 years now is (still) thought of as a young upstart.
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tamijo
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Posted: February 05 2015 at 09:07 |
Yes personaly i still like most of what i liked then, but that was not the question.
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Posted: February 05 2015 at 09:08 |
tamijo wrote:
Yes personaly i still like most of what i liked then, but that was not the question. |
I answered the question in the first line of the post
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TeleStrat
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Posted: February 05 2015 at 09:31 |
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I suspect that the pace of life is dependent upon our desire to keep up with it. And this is also true of current trends in music. I would imagine that younger folks' appreciation of modern music is governed by their desire to keep up with the latest trends and new releases just as it was in our day. In our insular world of Progressive Rock we spend more time looking backwards than we do looking forward so even Steven Wilson (currently 47 years-old) who has been supplying us with Progressive Rock music for the best part of 28 years now is (still) thought of as a young upstart.
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I know what you mean, I look backwards because my entire vinyl collection is from the early sixties through the seventies so that's what I post about. I've listened to many of the youtube videos with new bands that members have posted and I like everything I've heard. I hope the new music lasts as long as the seventies music has.
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Posted: February 05 2015 at 09:53 |
.I recall Progressive Rock fans over..reacting to what became the classic masterpiece. For example, when Thick As A Brick was released, I bought a copy the first week it entered the record stores. I even went the distance of calling the store everyday, asking if it had arrived yet and annoying the hell out of the store owner. Everybody was waiting for the album. All the freaks in the "Art Rock" community during the early 70's were excited about Ian Anderson's music changing and had been discussing it at many social gatherings. I'm not making reference to my personal friends, but a community of proggers that met at a hall and listened to Progressive Rock weekly. A hall owned by a music teacher who was more than willing to unlock the doors twice a week and give us space for hours of Progressive Rock listening on a 3 channel stereo that featured additional speakers extended to each corner of the hall. Attending these gatherings was very good for me because it gave me hands on exposure to observe the magnitude/impact that Progressive Rock had on the youth. It's very alien to think that at one particular time in life, there was the existence of Prog communities in small stick towns of the U.S and the realization that the interest in Prog IN that type of environment was just as important as the Prog scene in Philadelphia or N.Y. ..For this was a kind of interest that developed from the hippie culture. Everyone sitting together and listening to the music, passing the album around, and discussing the music later and making observations about the lyricism and composition. When the British "Art Rock" scene exploded in the U.S., people that gathered together and listened, often crossed over into a few other styles of music and made claims that it was part of a "Art Rock" scene. I noticed it quite often when people in the early 70's often stated that Fairport Convention were part of the "Art Rock" scene more so than just being a "Traditional Folk" band. Progressive Rock, (better known as "Art Rock"), during the early 70's had a huge social impact on the youth. People began to paint when they listened to In The Wake Of Poseidon. The fact that most people who had the talent to draw or paint...began to draw or paint whenever King Crimson's music was playing was a kind of isolated ..but common world that they lived in. It was very much like an underground fad on the East coast of the U.S. This powerful scene developed in the early 70's and prevailed over the minds and mentalities of the youth. Beyond that aspect, they took the British very seriously. Even the "bips" who listened to Grand Funk Railroad and were bent on thinking that the main character in Thick As A Brick was a real person. Classic masterpieces existed because people personally took on a role with it. In the early 70's , (particularly in the U.S.), "Art Rock"/Progressive Rock, took on a role playing game with youths. It wasn't JUST the music to think about and the lyrics intrigued people to a degree where it seemed like everyone around me was obsessed trying to figure out meanings behind the words. It was instantaneous how people reacted and a very normal way of life surrounded by the popularity of Progressive Rock.
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Posted: February 05 2015 at 11:03 |
tamijo wrote:
I have been told that time i relative to the current age. So that a 4 year old, fells like a year i a long time (25% of this life) while a 10 years old its 10% of his life a 40 years old only 2,5 %, and so on. That should be how, i seems the years a flowing faster, as you grow old. |
This is the correct explanation, though several other factors contribute as well.
Another factor is that as we grow older we get more lazy (and probably neurologically less able) to explore, learn and adapt to new things coming up. A 20 year old has no problem learning and absorbing and adapting to all the new gadgets, videogames, whatsapp functionalities, FB, Twitter, Go-Pro cameras etc. At my age I'm lazy to read a 200 page manual to learn all what my cell phone can do, if I can call and message and surf and take a couple of pics with it I'm happy enough. And even older people have trouble gathering enough courage to learn how to use a computer. So even if the pace of technological and cultural advances was the same, there's a growing share of all these advances for which we decline to follow its pace, so it feels like the world is changing faster, because there's more and more of it we fail to assimilate.
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Posted: February 05 2015 at 11:12 |
This thread gives me a few chuckles from time to time. Not because of it's intent, but because I still have a hard time accepting albums that are stated to be "classics" by the status quo. Sgt. Pepper's would fall into this category for me. I cannot deny it's importance to rock music's development, but it's an album that I rarely listened to since the day it was released. What constitutes a masterpiece might be a better question.
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Posted: February 05 2015 at 11:15 |
@Gerard: Speak for yourself - I'm nearly ten years older than you and revel in learning new stuff. A day I haven't learnt something new is a day wasted. Apathy affects all age-groups, as we never tire of telling ourselves when discussing why the yoof of today doesn't have the attention span to appreciate "classic" prog.
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Posted: February 05 2015 at 11:18 |
^I take it you that you might appreciate Sgt. Pepper's a bit more than myself then.
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Posted: February 05 2015 at 11:23 |
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^I take it you that you might appreciate Sgt. Pepper's a bit more than myself then.  |
I can't abide Sgt Pepper, it's a horrible mess to my ears. But that has nothing to do with its status as a classic album.
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Posted: February 05 2015 at 11:27 |
^I absolutely agree that it's a classic. But it's not a masterpiece. Semantics? Yes indeed, but true.
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