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BaldFriede 
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 Posted: November 05 2015 at 21:11 |
 The T wrote:
But (to narrow the ordinance to its LGBT implications) we are not talking about men using women's toilets. We are talking about transgender women (men who now are women) using them. Shouldn't that be OK? |
As I said, I have a problem with that. No matter how much such a transgender person feels like a woman, bodily this person still is a man. I understand her feelings, but I want mine to be understood as well.
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Posted: November 05 2015 at 21:08 |
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An "anti-discrimination" ordinance is so silly. I don't understand liberals.
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You're not against discrimination?
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The T
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Posted: November 05 2015 at 21:07 |
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But (to narrow the ordinance to its LGBT implications) we are not talking about men using women's toilets. We are talking about transgender women (men who now are women) using them. Shouldn't that be OK?
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BaldFriede
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Posted: November 05 2015 at 21:01 |
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Well, to be honest, I would not want to use the same bathroom as men. First of all there would be urinals in front of the cubicles then, and some men would probably use the occasion to display their pecker to ladies present then. Also there a some lady things we do in these ante-room to the cubicle at which I would not want to have men present either.
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A Person
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Posted: November 05 2015 at 20:56 |
BaldFriede wrote:
Well, I must say I see no need why suddenly men and women should use the same toilets. And the article does not quite make it clear if that was included in the ordinance or not. It just says some people used it as an argument in debate. |
Well bills like that aren't about men and women using the same toilets, they are about making gender identity a protected class. It's just that the opposition to such bills almost always goes straight to women's bathrooms, particularly the use of them by trans women.
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The T
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Posted: November 05 2015 at 20:56 |
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Fear of transgender people as sexual predators of children used to defeat something that would not allow discrimination of any type to occur. That's what it is. Now it is (or continues to be) to discriminate in Houston (as in many cities and states) based on race, religion, and yes, sexual orientation.
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BaldFriede
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Posted: November 05 2015 at 20:49 |
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Well, I must say I see no need why suddenly men and women should use the same toilets. And the article does not quite make it clear if that was included in the ordinance or not. It just says some people used it as an argument in debate.
Edited by BaldFriede - November 05 2015 at 20:50
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garfunkel
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Posted: November 05 2015 at 20:40 |
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An "anti-discrimination" ordinance is so silly. I don't understand liberals.
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The T
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Posted: November 05 2015 at 20:37 |
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A toilet. Where you urinate or empty your bowels. Read the link I posted to better understand.
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BaldFriede
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Posted: November 05 2015 at 20:36 |
The T wrote:
I failed to mention that they used transgender people using bathrooms as a way to scare voters into voting against this ordinance. |
What exactly do you mean by "bathroom"? A toilet or the kind of facility where several people take a shower in the same room at the same time?
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A Person
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Posted: November 05 2015 at 20:32 |
BaldFriede wrote:
A Person wrote:
The T wrote:
How about the gloriously imbecile state of Texas (well, Houston really) voting against a no-discrimination ordinance? And if you had seen some of the anti-ordinance ads, instilling fear on parents with images of men walking on little girls' bathrooms, you would be quite upset.
Again, it's Texas. |
Sadly it's not the only place that boogeyman is used. Pretty recently I saw an article aobut fearmongering ads concerning "boys being able to look at your daughter in the bathroom" or something to that effect being used in a place I can't remember off the top of my head.
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Excuse me? What exactly are you propagating?
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I am propagating the idea that perverted men will abuse non-discrimination ordinances to sexually harass or abuse women is a frequently used scare tactic.
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The T
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Posted: November 05 2015 at 20:23 |
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I failed to mention that they used transgender people using bathrooms as a way to scare voters into voting against this ordinance.
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BaldFriede
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Posted: November 05 2015 at 20:21 |
A Person wrote:
The T wrote:
How about the gloriously imbecile state of Texas (well, Houston really) voting against a no-discrimination ordinance? And if you had seen some of the anti-ordinance ads, instilling fear on parents with images of men walking on little girls' bathrooms, you would be quite upset.
Again, it's Texas. |
Sadly it's not the only place that boogeyman is used. Pretty recently I saw an article aobut fearmongering ads concerning "boys being able to look at your daughter in the bathroom" or something to that effect being used in a place I can't remember off the top of my head.
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Excuse me? What exactly are you propagating?
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A Person
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Posted: November 05 2015 at 20:18 |
The T wrote:
How about the gloriously imbecile state of Texas (well, Houston really) voting against a no-discrimination ordinance? And if you had seen some of the anti-ordinance ads, instilling fear on parents with images of men walking on little girls' bathrooms, you would be quite upset.
Again, it's Texas. |
Sadly it's not the only place that boogeyman is used. Pretty recently I saw an article aobut fearmongering ads concerning "boys being able to look at your daughter in the bathroom" or something to that effect being used in a place I can't remember off the top of my head.
Edited by A Person - November 05 2015 at 20:18
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BaldFriede
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Posted: November 05 2015 at 20:14 |
The T wrote:
No. Even more open. Just no-discrimination for anything in Houston. Based on religion, gender, orientation, race, etc. But the Republicans used this fear I mentioned to have people vote against it. Unbelievable. |
I would draw the line there somewhere. I would not want a man showering with me in the same room st the same time, and I think a lot of women would feel the same. Interestingly I have no problem with being on a nude beach with men present. But a shower room feels more intimate for me.
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The T
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Posted: November 05 2015 at 20:11 |
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Behold TX idiocy BaldFriede : http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/04/us/houston-voters-repeal-anti-bias-measure.html
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Posted: November 05 2015 at 20:06 |
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Yeah, but I'am talking about public toiletes, Bald... no one is going to look you naked in a bathroom.
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The T
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Posted: November 05 2015 at 20:05 |
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No. Even more open. Just no-discrimination for anything in Houston. Based on religion, gender, orientation, race, etc. But the Republicans used this fear I mentioned to have people vote against it. Unbelievable.
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BaldFriede
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Posted: November 05 2015 at 20:01 |
The T wrote:
How about the gloriously imbecile state of Texas (well, Houston really) voting against a no-discrimination ordinance? And if you had seen some of the anti-ordinance ads, instilling fear on parents with images of men walking on little girls' bathrooms, you would be quite upset.
Again, it's Texas. |
I don't quite get it. Non-discrimination in what regard? All people using the same facilities, regardless of gender?
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The T
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Posted: November 05 2015 at 19:56 |
How about the gloriously imbecile state of Texas (well, Houston really) voting against a no-discrimination ordinance? And if you had seen some of the anti-ordinance ads, instilling fear on parents with images of men walking on little girls' bathrooms, you would be quite upset.
Again, it's Texas.
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