LGBTA Thread

The Dark Elf wrote: RayRo wrote:   The Ten Commandants? Was that written by‎ Boris Pasternak's slightly addled cousin, Timmy?   In the rush I'm in right now, I'll say yes.   RayRo wrote: "Thou shalt not kill." So killing must be bad. Why? Because the Bible said not to do it. The Bible does not explain why killing is bad, it just says not to do it.   Ummm....as an atheist, I'm not much of a defender of the bible; however, having read scripture on a number of occasions, I must say there are a sufficient amount of biblical passages that effectively illuminate why killing is bad.

And that's the extent of my biblical knowledge. I know that the Ten Commandments are based on "thou shalt", not on "why thou shalt". Do you dig me?

Edited by RayRo - November 10 2015 at 17:47

Curiouser and curiouser...
Hokay! :)

You're arguing against a lot of things that no one here has said, and making a lot of general statements based on your own beliefs that aren't helping you get your point across. I'm still not entirely sure what you hoped to achieve by opening this particular discussion here.

No one's said we shouldn't have laws, or anything close to it. Focus your energy a little better.

And, as far as how things "seem" to you, if you spent more time arguing the facts then you might not meet with such regular resistance. Jus' sayin'.

Triceratopsoil wrote: A Person wrote: I've seen numbers like 40% of all homeless youth being LGBT, it's crazy. Is that legitimately discrimination, or related to other issues? RayRo wrote: but we have nothing but hate crimes here, it seems. If you honestly believe that, you need to look at some crime stats

If you don't know what the expression "it seems" generally means, you should do yourself a favor and find out.

Edit: You probably need a hint. It's related to appearance . 

Edited by RayRo - November 10 2015 at 14:19

I think you misunderstood me. I was not referring to mass immigration at all. That is a completely different issue. Actually the topic of mass immigration is used to instill fears in people, even by some of the democratic parties, and then to play on these fears.

Dean wrote: garfunkel wrote: No.  Some folks believe that if there is an ordinance that "makes" everyone accept everyone, then racism, sexism and whatever other nonsense will go away.  Safe spaces for everyone! TeleStrat wrote: You can be trained to do a lot of things but in the back of your mind you are going to think the way you've always thought. Only you can change the way you think. Laws will not change human nature. Laws can only control actions. They cannot control thoughts, opinions or beliefs. As I said in an earlier post: "you cannot legislate against prejudice, you can only legislate against using prejudice to discriminate". If we permit discrimination then we are condoning prejudice. If you cultivate a society where prejudice is tolerated then you will never be able to educate people to think differently.  Racial prejudice has not gone away and it never will, and sexism and homophobia will never go away, but we can change the attitudes and perceptions of a significant majority of the population.

Exactly, Dean. Racial prejudice has to do with the stone age man inside us. What looks unfamiliar is dangerous. This is inherent in all of us. It takes a conscious effort to overcome this feeling.

You can be trained to do a lot of things but in the back of your mind you are going to think the way you've always thought. Only you can change the way you think.

*frinspar* wrote: RayRo wrote: This is not a perfect world, but laws do keep most people from doing whatever they want to. Do you agree? Nope. Besides the laws that cover "Don't kill", "don't steal", and "don't speed" most people don't know what other laws exist until they break them. It's not law that guide us, it's consequence. And consequences aren't always covered by laws alone. Being a good person is not something that laws or government can ever, ever shape into being. They can establish the equality between people only as it relates to the bureaucracy. They can't dictate or direct human nature.

oh if it were but consequence that guides us! the world would be a better place. but alas!, it isn't.

I don't believe for a moment that it is fear of consequences why people don't all murder, steal or rape. it is definitely not for me. I don't do it because there is a tacit agreement about social conduct. even if there weren't any laws at all I would not do it.

this tacit agreement is usually only broken when people are driven to an extreme some way or the other. if I have no means of supplying myself with food or drink in a legal way I will steal.

there are also psychological extremes. so-called "hate crimes" fall in my opinion into this category. some people feel intimidated by people who look or behave differently or who have different believes, however irrational their fear may be.

mere greed, which is often the reason for certain crimes, is in my opinion a psychological extreme as well


Edited by BaldJean - November 09 2015 at 21:04

Or to be politically correct: Taekwondo.

*frinspar* wrote: RayRo wrote: This is not a perfect world, but laws do keep most people from doing whatever they want to. Do you agree? Nope. Besides the laws that cover "Don't kill", "don't steal", and "don't speed" most people don't know what other laws exist until they break them. It's not law that guide us, it's consequence. And consequences aren't always covered by laws alone. Being a good person is not something that laws or government can ever, ever shape into being. They can establish the equality between people only as it relates to the bureaucracy. They can't dictate or direct human nature.

I understand what you are saying but my definition of law, which is universal, is that human behavior is controlled. How it works in someone's mind is not the prime point. Fear. Consequence, Or whatever.

Edited by RayRo - November 10 2015 at 14:21