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Posted: November 10 2015 at 20:34

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Can we go back to the happy positive side now?

OK! I like rainbows and think they are just spiffy. What is everyone's favorite LGBT flag? Mine is the trans flag, it has the best colors.

The only LGBT flag I know is the one with beautiful rainbow colours, is there another one? A trans flag? No pun intended but is it i.e. like here on PA a sub-genre?

There are a lot of different flags for different minorities within the LGBT community. Ones for bi people, trans people, asexual people, and so on. There is even one for the bear community.

This is the trans pride flag:

http://sfappeal.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Transgender-Flag.jpg

reminds me of ice-cream

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Posted: November 10 2015 at 20:30

Kati wrote:

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Can we go back to the happy positive side now?

OK! I like rainbows and think they are just spiffy. What is everyone's favorite LGBT flag? Mine is the trans flag, it has the best colors.

The only LGBT flag I know is the one with beautiful rainbow colours, is there another one? A trans flag? No pun intended but is it i.e. like here on PA a sub-genre?

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Posted: November 10 2015 at 20:29

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Again, there are several hundred pages of the Torah that quantify the Law found in the Ten Commandments...obviously that amount of loquacity could not be chiseled onto two stone tablets.

I just realized that you don't have a clue about what we are talking about.

The Torah or the first five books of the Bible are laws without commentary.

The Talmudic commentaries did not come about until the 200's C.E. Two hundred year after Christ lived and died. The Talmud is what explains the laws and tells you the reasons Why.

Perhaps you should check things out a bit more before you go through all this foolish exposition.

If you were trying to impress me, you failed.

This thread was very positive, now why do people have to turn something so positive into negative?

Why is it when a people see a minority group topic, they start politicizing their views and/r start preaching the bible etc?!

Sonia, if you didn't read clearly, I certainly wasn't "preaching", particularly since I am an atheist. I was explaining the bible, which I have read and consider to be a great work of fiction.

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Posted: November 10 2015 at 20:25

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Can we go back to the happy positive side now?

OK! I like rainbows and think they are just spiffy. What is everyone's favorite LGBT flag? Mine is the trans flag, it has the best colors.

The only LGBT flag I know is the one with beautiful rainbow colours, is there another one? A trans flag? No pun intended but is it i.e. like here on PA a sub-genre?

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Posted: November 10 2015 at 20:23

Kati wrote:

Can we go back to the happy positive side now?

OK! I like rainbows and think they are just spiffy. What is everyone's favorite LGBT flag? Mine is the trans flag, it has the best colors.

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Posted: November 10 2015 at 20:19

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Again, there are several hundred pages of the Torah that quantify the Law found in the Ten Commandments...obviously that amount of loquacity could not be chiseled onto two stone tablets.

I just realized that you don't have a clue about what we are talking about.

The Torah or the first five books of the Bible are laws without commentary.

The Talmudic commentaries did not come about until the 200's C.E. Two hundred year after Christ lived and died. The Talmud is what explains the laws and tells you the reasons Why.

Perhaps you should check things out a bit more before you go through all this foolish exposition.

If you were trying to impress me, you failed.

This thread was very positive, now why do people have to turn something so positive into negative?

Why is it when a people see a minority group topic, they start politicizing their views and/r start preaching the bible etc?!

I'll be blunt here, this is a form of discrimination, think about it, let's say you look at a friend, now let's say you look at a friend who looks different, now let's say your friend in this case is black and you are white, ok and now you tell your friend that you hate racism and people of colour should not be discriminated, by saying that alone means you are being judgemental and looking at other people differently. That topic of colour would probably never come up if your friend was of same race as you, don't you think? Sometimes even with best intentions people can be racist, especially when you say you are not racist to a person of colour.

That metaphor applies to any person different to you, being it their religious or none religious views, gender politics, race views, division between rich and poor etc. all vice versa and the list is endless.

Can we go back to the happy positive side now?

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Posted: November 10 2015 at 20:18

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Ermm

the tone of this exchange is starting to look all too familiar.

Well, I not sure what bug is up your butt, but I'm out of here. I tried to do something good but I'm afraid that this is unacceptable.

But please drop the rainbow Mr. Dean. It's 21st century, after all.

Hmm, lots of things are unacceptable, but commenting on the tone of a discussion isn't one of them.

What?

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Posted: November 10 2015 at 20:01

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Ermm

the tone of this exchange is starting to look all too familiar.

Well, I not sure what bug is up your butt, but I'm out of here.

But....I thought you were the one with a preference for having something up your butt?

....Not that there is anything wrong with that.

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Posted: November 10 2015 at 19:55

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I've seen numbers like 40% of all homeless youth being LGBT, it's crazy.

Is that legitimately discrimination, or related to other issues?

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but we have nothing but hate crimes here, it seems.

If you honestly believe that, you need to look at some crime stats

If you don't know what the expression "it seems" generally means, you should do yourself a favor and find out.

Edit: You probably need a hint. It's related to appearance .

RayRo, the meaning of appearance with one might perceive something to be, both are not necessary related thus it seems sometimes does not relate to appearance. It's like hypotheses and conclusion, similar but different.

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Posted: November 10 2015 at 19:52

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Ermm

the tone of this exchange is starting to look all too familiar.

Well, I not sure what bug is up your butt, but I'm out of here. I tried to do something good but I'm afraid that this is unacceptable.

But please drop the rainbow Mr. Dean. It's 21st century, after all.

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Posted: November 10 2015 at 19:50

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You can also look up this 2nd Century Judaic text called the Midrash. It is also the other key commentary on the Biblical laws.

Again, sad. Just sad.

Remarkably, you like to throw out the Midrash and Talmud without knowing anything about the recapitulation of the Commandments in Deuteronomy.

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Ermm

the tone of this exchange is starting to look all too familiar.

Yes, a troll in Talmudic bunting.

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Posted: November 10 2015 at 19:47

the tone of this exchange is starting to look all too familiar.

What?

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Posted: November 10 2015 at 19:43

You can also look up this 2nd Century Judaic text called the Midrash. It is also the other key commentary on the Biblical laws.

Again, sad. Just sad.

And if anyone sounds like they are surfing Wiki, it's you my friend. Without a doubt, as you are truly clueless.

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Posted: November 10 2015 at 19:39

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I just realized that you don't have a clue about what we are talking about....

...Perhaps you check things out a bit more before you go through all this foolish exposition.

I can only go on your own stated ignorance:

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And that's the extent of my biblical knowledge.

Suddenly, you wish to pronounce an expertise which obviously doesn't exist, save for pulling flawed gems from Wikipedia.

Stay thirsty, my friend.

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Posted: November 10 2015 at 19:30

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Again, there are several hundred pages of the Torah that quantify the Law found in the Ten Commandments...obviously that amount of loquacity could not be chiseled onto two stone tablets.

I just realized that you don't have a clue about what we are talking about.

The Torah or the first five books of the Bible are laws without commentary.

The Talmudic commentaries did not come about until the 200's C.E. Two hundred year after Christ lived and died. The Talmud is what explains the laws and tells you the reasons Why.

Perhaps you should check things out a bit more before you go through all this foolish exposition.

If you were trying to impress me, you failed.

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Posted: November 10 2015 at 19:21

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Look, I know where your coming from. But laws started, as I said, with the Sumerians. Hebraic laws derived from them.

I've studied the history of Law in depth, but I just don't find that to be relevant to my stand alone example of "thou shalt not kill." That particular phrase in that portion of the Bible did not have any commentary. What came latter, to me, is irrelevant.

And many Hebraic commentaries such as the Talmud did not come about until the 2nd Century C.E.

Perhaps you should check this out a bit more before you say more.

I highlighted your comment because you seem to have a disconnect in regards to your alleged knowledge and what you actually stated.

As you said yourself, you have no clue about the bible, save for the bits and pieces you wish to spew and denigrate. Perhaps you should do more research before referring to Talmudic commentary without first reading Exodus and Deuteronomy, which further detail the covenantal summarization of the Commandments. Leviticus is also a gateway to understanding the Commandments as they were written by the priestly caste to bolster the patriarchal system of the Hebrews

Again -- and perhaps you should read this s-l-o-w-l-y in order to gain comprehension -- the Amendments to the Constitution do not explain "why" they have been amended into the document, but there is ample legal background to back them up for inclusion.

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Posted: November 10 2015 at 18:47

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The Ten Commandants? Was that written by‎ Boris Pasternak's slightly addled cousin, Timmy?

In the rush I'm in right now, I'll say yes.

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"Thou shalt not kill." So killing must be bad. Why? Because the Bible said not to do it. The Bible does not explain why killing is bad, it just says not to do it.

Ummm....as an atheist, I'm not much of a defender of the bible; however, having read scripture on a number of occasions, I must say there are a sufficient amount of biblical passages that effectively illuminate why killing is bad.

And that's the extent of my biblical knowledge. I know that the Ten Commandments are based on "thou shalt", not on "why thou shalt". Do you dig me?

No, I don't dig you. If the extent of your biblical knowledge does not go further then what Charlton Heston rattled off in a movie, then you aren't really qualified to make blanket statements about it. The Ten Commandments are a culmination of Hebraic law; there are ample reasons for each commandment with extensive passages bolstering them in the Torah.

If one reads the various articles of the U.S. Constitution and its amendments, they are basically "thou shalt" statements without any "why thou shalt" explanations, like the First Amendment, for instance:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

There is no "why thou shalt" in that statement; however, there are reams of case law and precedents backing it.

If you can find commentaries in the following, please point them out:

Again, there are several hundred pages of the Torah that quantify the Law found in the Ten Commandments...obviously that amount of loquacity could not be chiseled onto two stone tablets.

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Posted: November 10 2015 at 18:14

^Now, I don't like to discuss the obvious influence of Judeo-Christian religion on American laws and statutes because I've passed my Bar Exam and find it boring.

But if it floats your boat, by all means, knock yourself out.

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Posted: November 10 2015 at 18:04

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RayRo wrote:

The Ten Commandants? Was that written by‎ Boris Pasternak's slightly addled cousin, Timmy?

In the rush I'm in right now, I'll say yes.

RayRo wrote:

"Thou shalt not kill." So killing must be bad. Why? Because the Bible said not to do it. The Bible does not explain why killing is bad, it just says not to do it.

And that's the extent of my biblical knowledge. I know that the Ten Commandments are based on "thou shalt", not on "why thou shalt". Do you dig me?

There is no "why thou shalt" in that statement; however, there are reams of case law and precedents backing it.

If you can find commentaries in the following, please point them out:

1st	I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.	1st	I am the LORD thy God. Thou shalt have no strange gods before Me.
2nd	Exodus 20:4-6 You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my Commandments.		Deleted. See also idolatry in the Catholic Church (There is idolatry in the Papal system so the second Commandment has been deleted or sometimes it has been absorbed into the first. All remaining Commandments are therefore shifted along one count.)
3rd	Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God In vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.	2nd	Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain.
4th	Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD your God: in it you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger that is within your gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.	3rd	Remember to keep holy the Sabbath day. (The Sabbath is the fourth Commandment by normal count. The day to be kept is no longer mentioned since they changed the Sabbath to Sunday.) (Note that God had more to say about the fourth Commandment than all others and with good reason. It is very important.)
5th	Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.	4th	Honour thy father and thy mother.
6th	Thou shalt not kill.	5th	Thou shalt not kill.
7th	Thou shalt not commit adultery.	6th	Thou shalt not commit adultery.
8th	Thou shalt not steal.	7th	Thou shalt not steal.
9th	Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.	8th	Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
10th	Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.	9th	Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife. (The Tenth Commandment is split into two to get back to Ten Commandments.)
		10th	Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's goods.

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Posted: November 10 2015 at 17:59

RayRo wrote:

The Dark Elf wrote:

RayRo wrote:

The Ten Commandants? Was that written by‎ Boris Pasternak's slightly addled cousin, Timmy?

In the rush I'm in right now, I'll say yes.

RayRo wrote:

"Thou shalt not kill." So killing must be bad. Why? Because the Bible said not to do it. The Bible does not explain why killing is bad, it just says not to do it.

And that's the extent of my biblical knowledge. I know that the Ten Commandments are based on "thou shalt", not on "why thou shalt". Do you dig me?

There is no "why thou shalt" in that statement; however, there are reams of case law and precedents backing it.

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