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Posted: December 20 2016 at 19:42
Magnum Vaeltaja wrote:
AreYouHuman wrote:
I haven’t seen the Allman
Brother/Camel connection come up too often, but the former clearly influenced
the latter’s early material.Play In Memory
of Elizabeth Reed back-to-back with Lady Fantasy if you don’t believe me.
Oh man, our stars must be aligned or something (figuratively, of course; I don't actually believe in astrology). I've been thinking that Andrew Latimer must have been a huge Allman Brothers fan for the longest time!
You can definitely hear similarities between a lot of early Camel material and Liz Reed. Six Ate and Curiosity really spring to my mind, with the light jazzy feel that all of them share in the melodies and soloing department. Another one that's always stood out to me is the 4/4 symphonic section in live versions of Whipping Post. It sounds just like something that would have been thrown on Mirage.
I’m a Gemini myself.And I don’t give a darn!
But yeah, that Camel/Allmans
similarity should be obvious to anyone who’s actually paying attention and isn’t
tone-deaf, which would include (so-called) critics for Rolling Stone.Back in the 1980s, they put out their
so-called Record Guide, which was apparently designed for the extremely
gullible and easily led.Their entry for
Camel “covered” only Mirage, Snow Goose and Moonmadness in one short paragraph,
which showed so abundantly that this yutz must have given each album only the
most cursory listen, overlooking the aforementioned similarity and
already had a bias against “that kind” of music, labeling the band as a “low-rent
Moody Blues.”Yeah, I know, consider the
source.
That’s stuck in my craw for years
and I just had to get it off my chest.
Moving on…the Itchy and
Scratchy/Magma comparison above brings to mind how the Grobschnitt song “The
Excursion of Father Smith” contains a bass riff that has always had me singing
along with it “Flintstones, meet the Flintstones…”
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There is some really obscure song from the mid seventies by an artist from either Spain or South America who had a song that had a part that sounded pretty much identical to part of the song "Life's been good" by Joe Walsh(the "my maserati does 185 I lost my license now I don't drive" and the other parts that sound like it). I really can't remember who the Spanish singing artist or group is but it's pretty obscure.
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Posted: December 16 2016 at 21:37
AreYouHuman wrote:
I haven’t seen the Allman
Brother/Camel connection come up too often, but the former clearly influenced
the latter’s early material.Play In Memory
of Elizabeth Reed back-to-back with Lady Fantasy if you don’t believe me.
Oh man, our stars must be aligned or something (figuratively, of course; I don't actually believe in astrology). I've been thinking that Andrew Latimer must have been a huge Allman Brothers fan for the longest time!
You can definitely hear similarities between a lot of early Camel material and Liz Reed. Six Ate and Curiosity really spring to my mind, with the light jazzy feel that all of them share in the melodies and soloing department. Another one that's always stood out to me is the 4/4 symphonic section in live versions of Whipping Post. It sounds just like something that would have been thrown on Mirage.
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Posted: December 16 2016 at 20:51
I haven’t seen the Allman
Brothers/Camel connection come up too often, but the former clearly influenced
the latter’s early material.Play In Memory
of Elizabeth Reed back-to-back with Lady Fantasy if you don’t believe me.
The central piano riff in A
Christmas Camel by Procol Harum was almost certainly inspired by the one in
Ballad of a Thin Man by Bob Dylan.
The chord sequence in Hawkwind’s
Wind of Change has gotten a lot of use, such as in Runaway by Del Shannon.
Edited by AreYouHuman - December 16 2016 at 21:41
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Posted: December 16 2016 at 12:25
From the first time I heard it, 0:38 (it shows up elsewhere in the song) of Memento Z Banalnym Tryptykiem...
sounded like a composition from The Snow Goose. Particularly the last nine seconds of Fritha, but it may show up elsewhere. Not sure if I'm mad or there's actually a similarity.
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Posted: December 16 2016 at 10:48
The main melody from Starless is reworked from the Bolero section of Lizard. Listen to the oboe lines around 5:20-6:00 in Lizard and you should hear what I mean.
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Posted: December 15 2016 at 23:03
BaldJean wrote:
"Astral Traveller" by Yes and "Can-Utility and the Coastliners" by Genesis are very similar:
for those who don't hear the similarity between these two songs: listen to 2:12-3:20 and 4:09-4:30 in the Genesis song; it will all become clear then. same riff as "Astral Traveller" in the first mentioned part and very similar keyboard solo in the second
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Posted: December 15 2016 at 00:35
Manuel wrote:
Jethro Tull's "We Used To Know" has the same scale as "Hotel CAlifornia " by the Eagles. Also, all the songs in Horslips' album "Exiles" are quite similar to Tull's songs, specially from the "Living In The Past" album.
Hi Manuel......you mean "Aliens" not "Exiles"..."Exiles" is an instrumental off "Aliens". As far as I my ears tell me (for the last 40 years), there is only one tract that is similar to any Tull track on Aliens and that track is "Second Avenue"....the melody is a direct rip off of "Teacher". In the official Horslips' biography "Tall Tales" it is stated..."If 'Second Avenue' sounds a little like the riff from Jethro Tull's 'Teacher', it's pure co-incidence. Maybe it was a subliminal tribute.".......
On Aliens, "New York Wakes" and "Sure The Boy Was Green" has Anderson-like flute playing (à la Thijs van Leer) but Tull never ever made songs like (or even to match IMHO) these. These 2 tracks are based on the Irish jigs 'The Fox Hunter's Jig" and "Morrison's Jig" respectively.
So as far as I am concerned most tracks on Aliens sound like Horslips...with one track ripping off Tull's Teacher....and the flute playing on 2 occasions, well yes, they are Anderson-like as far as the flute playing is concerned but the songs themselves are nothing like anything Tull ever recorded IMHO.
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Posted: December 14 2016 at 22:19
Magnum Vaeltaja wrote:
AreYouHuman wrote:
And has anyone else thought there
was a resemblance between the refrain in Genesis’s The Fountain of Salmacis and
the chorus of I Want to Hold Your Hand by the Beatles?
As soon as I read this I spat out my drink and went to re-read it. Then I thought "what's this guy on?!?". Then I actually sang through each one in my head and now my life will never be the same. Great one!
Thanks, Magnum, you about made my
day!Glad I could rock your world!
BaldFriede wrote:
Hawkwind's "Assault and Battery" and Roxy Music's "In Every Dreamhome a Heartache". Same chord progression.
That’s another one I noticed long
ago, and probably would have included it in my last post but I was in a hurry.
While
I’m not a musician, I’ve always found myself taking notice of similar chord
sequences and melodic lines, most of which can be attributed to coincidence,
but others are obvious ripoffs, i.e. the ones all over Fireballet’s first
album.I’ll have to put together a full
list one of these days.
How about this one…Focus borrowing a melodic line for
Focus III from Don’t Sleep in the Subway by Petula Clark.
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Posted: December 13 2016 at 22:05
AreYouHuman wrote:
And has anyone else thought there
was a resemblance between the refrain in Genesis’s The Fountain of Salmacis and
the chorus of I Want to Hold Your Hand by the Beatles?
As soon as I read this I spat out my drink and went to re-read it. Then I thought "what's this guy on?!?". Then I actually sang through each one in my head and now my life will never be the same. Great one!
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Posted: December 13 2016 at 21:52
Chicago’s Wishing You Were Here uses
the same chord sequence as How-Hi-the-Li by Family.
And has anyone else thought there
was a resemblance between the refrain in Genesis’s The Fountain of Salmacis and
the chorus of I Want to Hold Your Hand by the Beatles?
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Posted: December 13 2016 at 05:46
Jethro Tull's "We Used To Know" has the same scale as "Hotel CAlifornia " by the Eagles. Also, all the songs in Horslips' album "Exiles" are quite similar to Tull's songs, specially from the "Living In The Past" album.
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Posted: December 11 2016 at 18:22
mechanicalflattery wrote:
I've been wondering for some time if the first part of Im Schatten De Mohre (great album by the way) by Hirsche Nicht Aufs Sofa samples King Crimson's Prelude: Song of the Gulls. Might as well ask someone here. Not that any of you are familiar with this album, but it sounds too close to me to not be a direct sample.
The KC track isn't on Youtube as far as I can tell, so check your own version (I'm sure Magnum knows it by heart)
Possible sample starts around 2:00
Has my admiration and infatuation with Song of The Gulls finally amounted to some sort of practical importance? Could it really be?
Hmmm, hard to tell for sure because it sits so low in the mix. I can definitely hear the pizzicato waltz figure that runs through the background of Song of the Gulls, but I don't hear any of the violin/viola/cello/whatever melody that plays over top of it. In the original King Crimson recording (which is the only recording, as the Steven Wilson remaster doesn't include any alternate takes), there aren't any bars where the pizzicato figure plays alone. However, there are about 2 bars ~3 minutes in where the other strings are quiet enough that if you were to sample it, I'm sure you could easily remove them with some digital trickery.
So I can't say for certain that Hirsche Nicht Aufs Sofa sampled King Crimson, but the backing track that they use is definitely the same three note figure as Song of The Gulls, and it wouldn't be impossible for them to sample it.
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Posted: December 11 2016 at 18:03
mechanicalflattery wrote:
I've been wondering for some time if the first part of Im Schatten De Mohre (great album by the way) by Hirsche Nicht Aufs Sofa samples King Crimson's Prelude: Song of the Gulls. Might as well ask someone here. Not that any of you are familiar with this album, but it sounds too close to me to not be a direct sample.
The KC track isn't on Youtube as far as I can tell, so check your own version (I'm sure Magnum knows it by heart)
Possible sample starts around 2:00
the album title is "Im Schatten der Möhre" which means "In the Shade of the Carrot"
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