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    Posted: April 01 2017 at 11:09
Apologies for that odd glitch, I originally wanted to talk about a genre that is kind of an oxymoron. "Prog-punk" doesn't really make sense. Prog is complex whilst punk is stripped down to the basics of music. However, I have seen complexity with hardcore punk, especially with Bad Brains. I have also seen complexity with lyricism with "lexicon punk" bands (e.g. Bad Religion).
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I have always felt that The Stranglers combined elements of punk rock with progressive elements.
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I just linked to like 38 f**king threads talking about 'prog punk'....and then robots.

I give up.
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There's been more than you might think....Bob Fripp's "Exposure" LP and his "League of Gentlemen" project explored the energy of punk in a prog framework.  

I saw League of Gentlemen live, Bob even asked for room for dancing on the main floor!  I was transfixed by his blazing lead guitar playing over rather basic keyboard/bass/drums backing, it was really interesting!  

Sara Lee (bassist for League of Gentlemen) is an unsung legend of bass, she is great!   She came from the post-punk band Gang of Four, and really brought a spark onstage.  King Crimson would have been "interesting" if she had joined them. 

Old prog warhorses like Yes and ELP didn't seem to want to go near the prog-punk formula as far as I could tell.




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Originally posted by zravkapt zravkapt wrote:

I just linked to like 38 f**king threads talking about 'prog punk'....and then robots.

I give up.

Yup. A quick search will yield the first 35+ threads on this particular subject - many of them rather new.

I say what I always say in these threads: Here & Now's debut. Perfect mix of both worlds.
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^ But which debut, Dave?   Bristol Gardens, Planet Gong Live, Give & Take ?   Do they even have a normal debut?
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Hah you got me there Pear! I was thinking of Give & Take (which is an absolute gem of an album btw) but Floating Anarchy as Daevid Allen's backing band is equally punk-proggy I guess.

Another route would be to look at this from punk instead prog ie punk bands that incorporated prog or art rock qualities into the lif. Acts like Magazine, Wire, Pere Ubu, Chrome, PiL, The Fall and Glenn Branca to name a few. People tend to forget that progressive music exists in just about every style out there...without being prague.
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^ Good point.
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Certain Hawkwind, Pink Fairies (maybe ?), Here And Now, and Inner City Unit. These all have their Punk cranked up amongst all the Prog
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Originally posted by Thatfabulousalien Thatfabulousalien wrote:

Cardiacs
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Would there be any discernible difference between prog-punk and post-punk?

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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Certain Hawkwind, Pink Fairies (maybe ?), Here And Now, and Inner City Unit. These all have their Punk cranked up amongst all the Prog

Most definitely Inner City Unit.






Oh, and by the way: "Oxymoron" does not mean "contradiction in terms", as many people seem to believe. To become an oxymoron a contradiction in terms must constitute a new kind of meaning in itself. Good examples are "bittersweet", "deafening silence" or "love hate".




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Originally posted by Thatfabulousalien Thatfabulousalien wrote:

Cardiacs

That's all the prog-punk you'll ever need. Two Bites of Cherry demonstrates the Punk-feel quite well. I don't like punk much, but Cardiacs is truly all you'd ever need. Circus/punk/pop/psych is slightly rewarding.
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Three early Simple Minds' albums: Empires and Dance, Sons and Fascination, Sisters Feeling Calls.

The last Skids album "Joy" which in my opinion is Prog-folk/punk

Tin Drum by Japan

The Cure...throughout their early to mid-eighties albums e.g. Faith, Pornography, Head on The Door, Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me.

Some of Magazine's stuff e.g from The Correct Use of Soap.


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Hawkwind, Killing Joke, Cardiacs and to some degree maybe Siouxsie and the banshees.
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