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Gully Foyle 
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 Posted: April 18 2017 at 11:40 |
 CapnBearbossa wrote:
dazzammm2 wrote:
If prog IS just songs about goblins and wizards and pixies what are best examples of this?ive listened to alot of prog and have not heard too many songs about the aforementioned groups of people |
Anyone who declares "Hobbit Rock" is at all an accurate description of progressive rock is showing himself to know nothing about the subject matter. I can't speak for neo-prog or latter day (nu-)prog, but definitive Prog distinguishes itself by being cross-genre, combining unlikely influences into a cohesive whole, and being more interested in musicianship than in lyrics, story or song concept.
That said, Led Zeppelin and Rush have recorded the rare song to do with such themes.
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Well, to be fair, with Jon Anderson's presence, Yes is kind of 'hobbit rock'
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Posted: April 09 2017 at 04:47 |
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This thread reminds me of two separate things: Bo Hansson's Sagan om Ringen and the band Gandalf's Fist. The former is much closer to a late 60s offering and instrumental to boot whilst the latter sports all the cheesy accolades one dares to throw at them. Conclusion? Bananas don't grow in Denmark but we still eat them on a daily basis.
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Posted: April 09 2017 at 04:19 |
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Prog is all about hardcore sex and violence
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Classical music isn't dead, it's more alive than it's ever been. It's just not on MTV.
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Posted: April 09 2017 at 04:02 |
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I think the "goblins and wizards" statement refers to prog being all about fantasy. This should not be confused with mythology. Mythological themes do indeed quite often appear in prog; fantasy is in my opinion much rarer. This "often" has to be taken with a grain of salt though; my guess is that about 0,1% of prog songs is about mythology and/or fantasy, if not less.
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Posted: April 09 2017 at 02:57 |
I want to tell you a story About a little man, if I can A gnome named Crimble Crumble and the little gnomes stay in their homes eating, sleeping, drining their wine
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Posted: April 09 2017 at 00:00 |
"Queen II" was in that realm....songs like "Ogre Battle," "Fairy Feller's Master Stroke" etc.
Their best album IMHO.
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Posted: April 08 2017 at 19:44 |
What about capes and robes. There were a lot of capes and robes in prog back in the seventies.
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Posted: April 08 2017 at 13:37 |
Misty morning, clouds in the sky Without warning a wizard walks by Casting his shadow, weaving his spell Flowing clothes, tinkling bell.
Yup, must be prog.
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...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined
to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology...
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CapnBearbossa
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Posted: April 08 2017 at 12:56 |
dazzammm2 wrote:
If prog IS just songs about goblins and wizards and pixies what are best examples of this?ive listened to alot of prog and have not heard too many songs about the aforementioned groups of people |
Anyone who declares "Hobbit Rock" is at all an accurate description of progressive rock is showing himself to know nothing about the subject matter. I can't speak for neo-prog or latter day (nu-)prog, but definitive Prog distinguishes itself by being cross-genre, combining unlikely influences into a cohesive whole, and being more interested in musicianship than in lyrics, story or song concept. That said, Led Zeppelin and Rush have recorded the rare song to do with such themes.
Edited by CapnBearbossa - April 08 2017 at 13:01
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Lewian
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Posted: April 08 2017 at 11:09 |
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I'm already out when it says "songs about" - I'm interested in how it sounds and what it's "about" doesn't normally bother me in the least.
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Posted: April 08 2017 at 09:40 |
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I think all themes : fantasy, lyricism, spiritual, existential problems ...
have a place in music and others artistic forms ! Due the inquisitive nature of human being . Certainly in Progressive Rock ( in all sub-genres) and Classical music this discussion are more deep, because are more meditative / contemplative and less commercial !
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uduwudu
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Posted: April 07 2017 at 05:00 |
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I think it's Heep with the Wizards, Rainbow and Dio with Dragons and elves.
Prog rock is about people lyrically. Sometimes how stupid people are, Tull and FZ, sometimes how spiritual, Yes, sometimes surreal death (Genesis, Tull). However bizarre, adventurous, devious, obscure and more Prog rock, lyrically reflects the human condition with more complexity and depth. It does not idealize people like the teen fantasy stuff you get elsewhere - which is just a sales pitch for identity reinforcing. This incidentally may be most swiftly understood and encapsulated by The Beatles songs (from pop in the firt half, to what we call proto prog in the second.
In short the person who thinks pixies etc is way off base - seriously wrong.
Or the best song summing this up in a parody ... Goblin Girl - FZ.
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Posted: April 06 2017 at 23:52 |
Ragnarok from 1976 has a very fairy-tale feel. No goblins or pixies.. One of my friends from long ago said the same thing: "Progressive music is all about fantasy and pixies." Then he later heard OaeoZ in my truck and was impressed with that.. With how "sinister it sounds." I think it's easier to categorize something if you don't know what it is.
It does bother me, the general opinion of Prog. But it's a strange misconception to think that it's about 'pixies' and 'lollypops'
Edited by Raccoon - April 06 2017 at 23:53
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Posted: April 06 2017 at 23:49 |
Good to see Tyrannosaurus Rex are in the artist pages  .
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Posted: April 06 2017 at 23:47 |
He was the wizard of a thousand kings- ings-ingsAnd I chanced to meet him one night wandering-ing-ing He told me tales, and he drank my wine-ine-ine-ine Me and my magic man kinda feelin' fine-ine-ine-ine |
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Raccoon
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Posted: April 06 2017 at 23:21 |
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Oh, GOOD examples of pixies/wizards!! Hmm.. A recent one I got has a fantasy-feel:
Symphonic Pictures from SFF
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Posted: April 06 2017 at 21:57 |
dazzammm2 wrote:
If prog IS just songs about goblins and wizards and pixies what are best examples of this?
ive listened to alot of prog and have not heard too many songs about the aforementioned groups of people |
I wish it were. Genesis, Jade Warrior and Hawkwind have some fantasy elements. Not as much one might think. The fantasy elements when present are seldom the conventional goblins, pixies and wizards that are often mentioned.
Edited by HackettFan - April 06 2017 at 22:02
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A curse upon the heads of those who seek their fortunes in a lie. The truth is always waiting when there's nothing left to try. - Colin Henson, Jade Warrior (Now)
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Thatfabulousalien
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Posted: April 06 2017 at 21:37 |
Catcher10 wrote:
u got it wrong man.......prog is about sex, drugs and rock n roll!! |
No prog IS sex...with added drugs and perhaps a little rockn'roll 
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Classical music isn't dead, it's more alive than it's ever been. It's just not on MTV.
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Posted: April 06 2017 at 21:20 |
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The Pixies are terrible and not one bit prog.
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Posted: April 06 2017 at 21:15 |
dazzammm2 wrote:
If prog IS just songs about goblins and wizards and pixies what are best examples of this?
ive listened to alot of prog and have not heard too many songs about the aforementioned groups of people |
Exactly what I think whenever I hear about prog dealing with such matters. It really isn't an important topic on prog's lyrics. Some that come to mind are Rick Wakeman's "Myths and Legends of King Arthur", some few songs from early King Crimson (The Court of the Crimson King, Lizard, Formentera Lady), and perhaps a bit more songs from Genesis. Oh yeah, Renaissance with Scheherazade. I think there's more of this topics on hard rock, though. If you want to have all the fantasy you can get, then you should check out the matal band "Rhapsody of Fire"... that one is exclusively fantasy lyrics (I think some might call them prog metal, but though they may have some elements of such, I wouldn't really call them so).
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