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Polymorphia ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 06 2012 Location: here Status: Offline Points: 8856 |
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Missed the vid in the OP lol
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Prog-jester ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 05 2005 Location: Love Beach Status: Offline Points: 5930 |
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Cord Change ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() Joined: June 08 2018 Location: Melbourne Status: Offline Points: 29 |
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Siah & Yeshua Dapoed - A day like any other
Prog hip hop has been around awhile |
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Minus the h.
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Polymorphia ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 06 2012 Location: here Status: Offline Points: 8856 |
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Mostly, though rap's experimentation is of a different sort than prog's. The backbeat, for instance, is pretty important to the genre, so odd meters are uncommon. |
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moshkito ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18656 |
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That's exactly what I meant by "lyrical". I do not take value away from lyrics, and accept the poetry side of it, or even what might be considered "anti-poetry" in it. I am not sure, however, that "hip hop", connects to the human spirit any more than any other music ... in that sense it is all the same/similar feeling that attracts all of us to this or that, regardless of what we call it. I think it important that we see that point, and understand it as something that is special/peculiar to all cultures and all the arts!
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siLLy puPPy ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() PSIKE, JRF/Canterbury, P Metal, Eclectic Joined: October 05 2013 Location: SFcaUsA Status: Offline Points: 15453 |
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^ the thing that makes hip hop (rap is really just a vocal style aroiund a beat whereas hip hop is the actual whole enchilada that incorporates the musical aspects) is that it connects to the human spirit. Much like punk, it de-emphasises the musical constructs in favor of lyrical content that connects the listener to the real world rather than the escapist tendencies of fantasy rock (such as prog). Having said that, hip hop is more diverse than many realize and yes you are correct that the rapping style really goes way back. Isn't the scatting that Ethel Mermann really just nonsensical rapping?
I wouldn't call any hip hop progressive in this site's sense but there is certainly innovative and musically interesting examples: Just a few faves that are worth checking out... |
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moshkito ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18656 |
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And I wonder if this is the problem with "accepting" the word and the implications of "progressive" anywhere. It has to be able to encompass more than just a rock idiom, which is known to be not as original as a lot of other musics out there, in their format. In this sense, we are adding some trivial information that supposedly makes it "progressive" and this is almost like saying that nothing like that happens anywhere else, and that is simply not true, it is very naive, and sadly ... totally top ten oriented, which will automatically exclude 90% of all the music that is available out there. That folks and a jazz and a couple of other things get mentioned is almost a miracle, but in the end, the progressive artists in ECM, for example, are not even considered, and many of them were way up further and more experimental, but because their work did not follow any rock formula, they can not be accepted or understood, and even worse ... listened to. I always found it bizarre that we think Jeff Beck is great (and I do!), and his style of high end solo that he used in Roger Waters album in the 90's, was something that Terje Rypdal had done some 20 years earlier, but so few of us ever would consider listening to it. It was, even for me, hard to consider EOS, and ODYSSEY ... "jazz" ... because it was more of an extended trip than it was either jazz or rock ... but we have to have our formulas! In my book, RAP was progressive in the late 60's when some folks, like Gil Scott Heron was already doing it over a rock beat and telling it like it is ... but what became known as "rap" some 45 years later, has its nice moments lyrically, but all in all, is a sad comment about what music really is for my tastes. I don't dislike it, I simply can not see a whole lot of value in it other than a few lyrics, and for me, and many others, that is simply not enough to make it important.
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The.Crimson.King ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 29 2013 Location: WA Status: Offline Points: 4596 |
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Same here
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mathman0806 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 06 2014 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 6854 |
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Progressive Rap, or PRap, rhymes with ...
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Boojieboy ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 02 2016 Location: Earth Status: Offline Points: 664 |
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No thanks. If it's rap, it's not for my ears.
What's next? Progressive adult contemporary? Progressive easy listening? Egad... Edited by Boojieboy - July 31 2018 at 15:26 |
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Catcher10 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 18050 |
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It's time for Progressive RAP?No it's not.....
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Mortte ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: November 11 2016 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 5538 |
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Dellinger ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: June 18 2009 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 12860 |
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I guess I would be interested in seeing were that could lead, but I don't really know if I could come to like it. However, I can immagine it being very keyboard and drums driven... if only they would include some real instruments and melodies. I would be interested in something of the sort, with a whole african drums ensemble, and a gospel choir.
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DarkTower ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 22 2018 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 507 |
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Marillion did include some rap in Quartz.
Pendragon did the same with Empathy. Though i don't like rap music, those 2 songs are still very enjoyable. |
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tempest_77 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 06 2018 Location: Maryland Status: Offline Points: 1676 |
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I'm gonna get shot for this, and I actually fully disagree with any notion of it being prog, I'm just doing it for the meme, but...
Kanye West - My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy (2010)
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dr wu23 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20702 |
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No.....please let's not combine rap and prog.
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Prog-jester ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 05 2005 Location: Love Beach Status: Offline Points: 5930 |
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Presentense7, plz use search. There were at least three "could rap be prog?"-related threads, and there was a lot of healthy discussion (and some bitter butthurt, too)
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Man With Hat ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Jazz-Rock/Fusion/Canterbury Team Joined: March 12 2005 Location: Neurotica Status: Offline Points: 166183 |
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no.
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Guldbamsen ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin Joined: January 22 2009 Location: Magic Theatre Status: Offline Points: 23136 |
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Hah I know! I was in the process of explaining all that and it became more and more convoluted as I went along. Truth is we do have some styles of music here without the rock ingredient, but they're most oftenly either closely knitted together with the neighboring prog rock scene (often with prog musicians shifting from one style to another) or simply bands that were popular among prog rock fans at the time and riding the same kind of experimental wave in music. Prog folk springs to mind.
I often wonder whether PA took the right decision when it opened up to all these things because where exactly does one stop? Funk, pop, trance, hip hop, classical? As it is now I feel we can defend the different boxes alright, but it is as you say quite the jungle to an outsider peeping in ![]() Edited by Guldbamsen - July 29 2018 at 08:52 |
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