It's time for Progressive RAP? - Progressive Rock Music Forum

Missed the vid in the OP lol

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Prog hip hop has been around awhile

Minus the h.

siLLy puPPy wrote:

^ the thing that makes hip hop (rap is really just a vocal style around a beat whereas hip hop is the actual whole enchilada that incorporates the musical aspects) is that it connects to the human spirit.

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That's exactly what I meant by "lyrical".

I do not take value away from lyrics, and accept the poetry side of it, or even what might be considered "anti-poetry" in it.

I am not sure, however, that "hip hop", connects to the human spirit any more than any other music ... in that sense it is all the same/similar feeling that attracts all of us to this or that, regardless of what we call it.

I think it important that we see that point, and understand it as something that is special/peculiar to all cultures and all the arts!

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siLLy puPPy wrote:

^ well mostly, David. We do extend beyond the paramaters of rock with progressive electronic and Indo-raga which often doesn't have any rock in the equation. Likewise with some psychedelic folk that eschews the rock elements. I think these inclusions instill a great amount of confusion for newbies. It sure did for me. However, progressive rap ain't happenin' here!

And I wonder if this is the problem with "accepting" the word and the implications of "progressive" anywhere. It has to be able to encompass more than just a rock idiom, which is known to be not as original as a lot of other musics out there, in their format. In this sense, we are adding some trivial information that supposedly makes it "progressive" and this is almost like saying that nothing like that happens anywhere else, and that is simply not true, it is very naive, and sadly ... totally top ten oriented, which will automatically exclude 90% of all the music that is available out there.

That folks and a jazz and a couple of other things get mentioned is almost a miracle, but in the end, the progressive artists in ECM, for example, are not even considered, and many of them were way up further and more experimental, but because their work did not follow any rock formula, they can not be accepted or understood, and even worse ... listened to.

I always found it bizarre that we think Jeff Beck is great (and I do!), and his style of high end solo that he used in Roger Waters album in the 90's, was something that Terje Rypdal had done some 20 years earlier, but so few of us ever would consider listening to it. It was, even for me, hard to consider EOS, and ODYSSEY ... "jazz" ... because it was more of an extended trip than it was either jazz or rock ... but we have to have our formulas!

In my book, RAP was progressive in the late 60's when some folks, like Gil Scott Heron was already doing it over a rock beat and telling it like it is ... but what became known as "rap" some 45 years later, has its nice moments lyrically, but all in all, is a sad comment about what music really is for my tastes. I don't dislike it, I simply can not see a whole lot of value in it other than a few lyrics, and for me, and many others, that is simply not enough to make it important.

Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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Progressive Rap, or PRap, rhymes with ...

No thanks. If it's rap, it's not for my ears.

What's next? Progressive adult contemporary? Progressive easy listening? Egad...

Edited by Boojieboy - July 31 2018 at 15:26

No.

Marillion did include some rap in Quartz.
Pendragon did the same with Empathy.
Though i don't like rap music, those 2 songs are still very enjoyable.

No.....please let's not combine rap and prog.

One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
Haquin

no.

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