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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:


An interesting retro case is "Klaus Morlock". https://klausmorlock.bandcamp.com/
He's been on our charts' black hole for a few years now. I see he has several new albums, I should look into it again.

One album of the genre I've been returning the most is Todd Terje's sole album:

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 18 2019 at 17:18
Originally posted by 2dogs 2dogs wrote:

Actually I do like progressive electronic music right back to the 50s and 60s and earlier but was making the point that TD had already "combined House music with elements of 1980s Electronic music" before 2000. I like 70s TD copyists like Cosmic Ground when they get played on Krautrock-world web radio and that last "Sandtrommel" was a nice mixture of Kraftwerk, Cluster and TD but am a bit suspicious of retro, revival and fake musical movements in general and prefer to purchase the originals. It's also getting ridiculous when the people currently operating under the TD name actually cover a pastiche of an earlier incarnation of TD Confused.


Still, if the genre doesn't start until 2005 I will skip TDs first four Dream Mixes albums and post a couple of remixes of 1980s tracks from the 2010 Dream Mixes V Tongue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB_UPpXOWRY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgiE_hyWFYs


That's true about TD already making music in a similar way, but I find they lack the same sense of nostalgia and sentimentality of 80s horror and sci-fi films, TV shows etc., which is part of the appeal of Synthwave. It's kind of schlocky. I'd heard TD's version of Stranger Things, and I think the concept is fun. I actually appreciate the ridiculous often. I definitely enjoy Cosmic Ground and some other ones that evoke an earlier era.

I enjoy retro quite a bit, and if say, Kosmischer Läufer had been from the 70s/ 80s, I would still love the music. In that case, I appreciate the whole story and hoaxiness of it. It's one that I'm sure people have been fooled by. Jon Brooks and Klaus Moorlock I find interesting too. I'm not really a fan of SYnthwave as I don't tend to appreciate house music, and I'm not generally big on re-mixes.   What interests me most here is music that evokes the feel of earlier Electronic music (be it 50s, 60s, 70s, early 80s...) and music that references certain cultural phenomena. I'm personally not interested in the ones that re-mix 80s pop and disco music (and add a beat), or really in simple re-mixes. The more interesting ones to me are those that have original music that sound of an earlier era, or update that sound but evoke a sense of nostalgia.

I'm more impressed by someone who comes up with original music that sounds like it could have been released decades ago than someone who takes existing music and turns into a house dance track, for instance. That said, I have heard some interesting and creative sampling and there can be a real art to that and various editing processes, but most of it does not strike me as that "inspired".

As for Tangerine Dream, I'm definitely most into the 70s period (I tend to return to the early half of the 70s ones the most, but grew to appreciate later releases). Generally, I also prefer to listen to music of its time, but I can appreciate and love music that evokes another time and "takes me back". While a comedy actor and having much comedy music, I love Matt Berry's retro music. This one would fit this topic as something of a tribute to earlier artists' music.





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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 18 2019 at 13:10
Originally posted by Meltdowner Meltdowner wrote:

I thought I'd mention Dallas Campell, he's here under PE (mainly for his more minimalist work). The list of synths he uses is simply impressive.


Love that, thank you.

An interesting retro case is "Klaus Morlock". https://klausmorlock.bandcamp.com/



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I thought I'd mention Dallas Campell, he's here under PE (mainly for his more minimalist work). The list of synths he uses is simply impressive.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Frenetic Zetetic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2019 at 06:48
Synthwave is fantastic. I find myself listening to lots of vaporwave lately. Good stuff!

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 2dogs Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2019 at 07:59
Actually I do like progressive electronic music right back to the 50s and 60s and earlier but was making the point that TD had already "combined House music with elements of 1980s Electronic music" before 2000. I like 70s TD copyists like Cosmic Ground when they get played on Krautrock-world web radio and that last "Sandtrommel" was a nice mixture of Kraftwerk, Cluster and TD but am a bit suspicious of retro, revival and fake musical movements in general and prefer to purchase the originals. It's also getting ridiculous when the people currently operating under the TD name actually cover a pastiche of an earlier incarnation of TD Confused.


Still, if the genre doesn't start until 2005 I will skip TDs first four Dream Mixes albums and post a couple of remixes of 1980s tracks from the 2010 Dream Mixes V Tongue.


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Well, I love Tangerine Dream (especially in the 70s), and am much more into "Progressive Electronic" (Kosmische and others) to Synthwave (as defined earlier, though I do like various Com Truise and some others considerably): Tangerine Dream, Igor Wakhevitch, Zanov, Franco Leprino, Klaus Schulze, Anna Sjalv Tredje, Edgar Froese, Bobby Beausoleil, Mort Garson, Cluster, Richard Pinhas, Kraftwerk, Ose, Heldon, Harmonia, White Noise, Automat, Conrad Schnitzler, Jean Guérin etc. I love. My favourite of the retro electronic acts so far is Kosmischer Läufer (that Civil Defence is Common Sense is most of that ilk in this thread). Kosmischer Läufer's The Secret Cosmic Music of the East German Olympic Program 1972-83 Vols 1-4 I think evokes/mimics Kosmische/ Berlin School of the era brilliantly. It would be an interesting one for someone into earlier Tangerine Dream and related music. But if you haven't explored a lot of Electronic music from the 70s to early 80s yet, then I might wait a bit on that one.



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^ I quite like it, but am thinking much of this genre would dilute my appreciation of TD and would rather explore them further.
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By the way, this trailer is what got me to explore Synthwave (love the film, by the way):



Com Truise's Data Kiss (full track in my first post) still remains my favourite piece that I have heard of that ilk.

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Originally posted by 2dogs 2dogs wrote:

Oh is all this late 90s Tangerine Dream stuff I have been listening to lately Synthwave?...


I'm no expert, but in one sense I'd say sure, and in another sense no. In one sense synthwave could be any music with synthesiser sounds, but as a genre it generally is considered to be a 2005 and up phenomenon that takes inspiration and is evocative and nostaglic of certain 80s music..

It's not in the way that I defined it in my first post using the rateyourmusic definition. 80s Tangerine Dream was a synthwave inspiration, as was Vangelis, Goblin, Jarre, Frizzi, Wendy Carlos and John Carpenter amongst others.. I guess that 90s TD sounds quite like late 80s TD, but I'd put music there more in the New Age camp than what I'd expect of Synthwave, such as retro-futuristic electronic music.

Here's what wikipedia says:

Quote Synthwave (also called outrun, retrowave and futuresynth[1]) is a genre of electronic music[2] influenced by 1980s film soundtracks and video games.[3][4] Beginning in the mid 2000s, the genre developed from various niche communities on the Internet, reaching wider popularity in the early 2010s.[1] In its music and cover artwork, synthwave engages in retrofuturism, emulating 1980s science fiction, action, and horror media, sometimes compared to cyberpunk.[6] It expresses nostalgia for 1980s culture, attempting to capture the era's atmosphere and celebrate it.[7]

Synthwave was inspired by many 1980s films, video games, and cartoons,[8] as well as composers such as John Carpenter, Vangelis,and Tangerine Dream[3][9][10], however the genre itself arose from electronic dance music genres including house, synth, and nu-disco.[11]

The subgenre name "outrun" comes from the 1986 driving arcade game Out Run, which was known for its soundtrack that could be selected in-game.[9] According to musician Perturbator (James Kent), the style is mainly instrumental, and often contains 1980s cliché elements in the sound such as electronic drums, gated reverb, and analog synthesizer bass lines and leads, all to resemble tracks from that time period.[12]

This aesthetic has been incorporated into retro themed movies and video games featuring synthwave artists. According to Bryan Young of Glitchslap, one of the most notable examples of this is Power Glove's soundtrack to the 2013 video game Far Cry 3: Blood Dragon.[5] Another popular example of the genre crossing into other media is David Sandberg's short film Kung Fury.[13]

Synthwave originates from the mid 2000s.[1] French acts including David Grellier (College), Kavinsky, and Justice are recognized as pioneers contributing to the early synthwave sound. These early artists began creating music inspired by famous 1980s score composers; music which was, at the time, largely associated with French house.[1]

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Oh is all this late 90s Tangerine Dream stuff I have been listening to lately Synthwave?







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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2019 at 10:33
I wrote a really long, researched post responding to each of the suggestions I hadn't yet responded to two weeks ago, but then I didn't post it as a certain dread took hold. That old fear of, am I going over the top, and will this add to a discussion, and also I'm no expert when it comes to such music.   I tend to use the term retrowave now for what I meant by synthwave.

Quimper was very cool, and quite unexpected.   Really enjoyed it.

I loved that Civil Defence is Common Sense, and that is very much what I was hoping for in the retro-electronic realm.   That is one that I am sure I had come across before at some time.   That got me to explore more of his (it's Jon Brooks, who also went by King of Woolworths, Clesse, and I don't know how many aliases).

This Jon Brooks I like a lot;



Anyway he does a lot of good retro, from synthwave to earlier retro electronic music.

various interesting music here from Kafe Kaput: https://cafekaput.bandcamp.com/

As for Donner, I enjoyed the first few tracks (kind of a mixed bag), I'm not that big on synthpop (Cristi's Plunder wasn't quite right for me either). The 80s retro that I was referring to tends to reference / be reminiscent of acts such as Goblin, Fabio Frizzo, John Carpenter, Tangerine Dream. For that reason most of what S973 posted is not doing it for me (I would describe that stuff as 80s pop dance remixes rather than what I meant by Synthwave as defined in my first post (liked his second track the most). I like music that is more reminiscent of the era rather than just remixes (think Kosmischer Läufer's approach to retro). I do also like music of the "plunderphonics" ilk.

As for Modrigue, that's some "classic", sounding Synthwave, plus Darkwave as as I recall when I listened to it before.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Saperlipopette! Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2019 at 06:41
Well that was all mostly awful and not really either synthwave or retro electronic S1973...


and so is this






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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kotro Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2019 at 02:56
Donner, a side-project from White Willow's Jacob-Holm Lupo: https://donner.bandcamp.com/releases
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