A rather eccentric film musicals poll

The Qatsi trilogy, especially Koyaanisqatsi: Life Out of Balance

I prophesy disaster wrote: The Qatsi trilogy, especially Koyaanisqatsi: Life Out of Balance

I like those but that is not at all what I mean by "a musical".

Here is the OED definition for a musical:

"A play or film in which singing and dancing play an essential part. Musicals developed from light opera in the early 20th century.

‘a hit West End musical, Miss Saigon’"

Not everything in my list would I consider to be a true musical. I guess I should have defined it in my opening post. I thought people would understand and infer from various of my choices.

Edited by Logan - April 05 2020 at 13:06

Hi,

Edited by moshkito - April 05 2020 at 13:18

I prophesy disaster wrote: Logan wrote: I prophesy disaster wrote: The Qatsi trilogy, especially Koyaanisqatsi: Life Out of Balance  I like those but that is not at all what I mean by a musical. Here is the OED definition for a musical: "A play or film in which singing and dancing play an essential part. Musicals developed from light opera in the early 20th century. ‘a hit West End musical, Miss Saigon’" Not everything in my list would I consider to be a true musical.   It's true that movies like Koyaanisqatsi are nothing like (for example) The Rocky Horror Picture Show, and that when one hears the term "musical", movies like Koyaanisqatsi are not what one thinks of. But if one considers the term "musical" at face value, meaning that music is a dominant feature, then movies like Koyaanisqatsi would have to qualify.

The thing is figuring out what the list represents, and trying to work within that framework. It takes inference, and maybe a little empathy. That said, I'm fine with asides provided people try to say something about the actual choices. Otherwise it's just a digression.

That's fine, but at least try to explain why if you go off list, and try to comment on any of the choices if you can. If you can't then say so. It just seems like pretty basic etiquette to me, to be honest (I know Australians often are blunter, and less loquacious. I used to live in Cairns and hold Australian citizenship).

I'd already written in the thread, "Sometimes it seems like certain people often are more interested in talking about what people leave out than what they include (and in not voting for what they know). It would be nice to get more positive feedback while mentioning any others, and people can always make their own polls if they don't like the poll or approach given. It's part of the reason why this forum is not always enjoyable."

When all you write is "The Qatsi trilogy, especially Koyaanisqatsi: Life Out of Balance", that actually doesn't really give a lot of information on how you think it relates to the choices in the list or even why you couldn't comment on the choices, and why you decided to mention that. More context would have been helpful. I don't appreciate the kind of "None of those, this" kind of comments and you didn't give me much to interpret your intentions, other than perhaps, "I don't care about your choices enough to talk about any of them, or I don't know them, so this, even if it's something totally different."


Edited by Logan - April 05 2020 at 13:47

I prophesy disaster wrote: Logan wrote: The thing is figuring out what the list represents, and trying to work within that framework.   For polls containing only few choices, that's true. But if a poll uses up all the available choices, then that's an invitation for other choices to be included as posts, provided it's relevant to the discussion. And the Qatsi trilogy is relevant to the discussion about musicals for the reason I wrote.

I did invite people to mention others very specifically in my opening post by saying "Please mention any others that you think would fit." And I said "Feel free to vote with limited knowledge". Then, I would hope that people would tell me how they believe it fits (I had meant with the poll choices), and why none in the poll are being mentioned. I very often say, feel free to mention any others, but please try to say something about my choices too. I wish I had in my OP this time, but frankly, very often people don't even bother to read it, don't bother to read through a thread before asking a question which was already answered, or just ignore it altogether. I feel like there is little effort being put into dialectic, and actually having fruitful conversations at this site commonly,and that it is putting me off. Or people just throwing out their opinions without thinking about how it relates to, or reflects on, others. I know you meant no harm, and I don't really mind. It's just a general frustration. Sometimes I feel we're not really communicating or connecting at well as a community, and it's just everyone, including myself, pissing in the wind. probably I should try to put more effort into writing thoughtful, nuanced, and hopefully insightful posts in other people's topics (if I can).

Edited by Logan - April 05 2020 at 14:04

By the way, maybe somebody would like to do a "musical films" rather than a "film musicals" poll. I'd like to nominate two animated films, La Planete Sauvage (Fantastic Planet) and Heavy Metal, and maybe one would add The Red Violin,The Pianist, perhaps Velvet Goldmine, and say even Three Colours: Blue if open to it, or films that feature a musician such as Truly, Madly, Deeply. Or if really open, any film with a soundtrack. Might be good to add an OTHER option for "any other film which features music".

Edited by Logan - April 05 2020 at 15:54

Added votes for two incredibly funny movies, A Mighty Wind and Spinal Tap. Two of the finest mockumentaries ever. Even funnier than The Rutles.

^ The Commitments, I don't think I've seen that.

^^ Seeing Spinal Tap live back in the early 90s was my most memorable concert experience. I love A Mighty Wind and Spinal Tap, and related ones such as Best in Show and Waiting for Guffman.

^^^ By the way, Pedro, I'm sorry if you feel sad and punished. That was not my intention. In the selective bit you quoted from my longer post, I was explaining it as a general feeling of mine at the forum. I was telling you that sometimes that is how I feel at the forum with various members and at various times. And sometimes I don't feel really listened to. I'm sure many of us feel that way at times, and sometimes it's true, and that's okay. We all want to feel understood. I was talking to you more, rather than talking about you, about what sometimes brings me down at the forum, and I said, sometimes it's coming from me. I'm not blaming people, and I think I should just not care cause it's not really that important. It really doesn't matter much to me anymore.

By the way, you might remember my ridiculously overstuffed drove of directors poll, but these are some of my favourites with some films attached (had aimed for three).


Woody Allen - Sleeper, Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Sex* (*But Were Afraid to Ask), Casino Royale

Pedro Almodóvar - Talk to Her, All About My Mother, Women on the Verge of a Nervous Breakdown

Robert Altman - The Player, Vincent & Theo, Nashville

Lindsay Anderson - if..., O Lucky Man, This Sporting Life

Paul Thomas Anderson - There Will Be Blood, Punch-Drunk Love, Boogie Nights

Wes Anderson - The Grand Budapest Hotel, The Royal Tenenbaums, The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou

Theo Angelopoulos - The Travelling Players, Eternity and a Day, Ulysses' Gaze

Michelangelo Antonioni - L'Avventura, La Notte, The Passenger

Denys Arcand - Jesus of Montreal, The Decline of the American Empire, The Barbarian Invasions

Hal Ashby - Harold and Maude, Being There

Ingmar Bergman - Through a Glass Darkly, Wild Strawberries, The Seventh Seal

Bong Joon-ho - The Host, Memories of Murder, Snowpiercer

John Boorman - Zardoz, Deliverance, Excalibur

Robert Bresson - Diary of a Country Priest, Mouchette, The Trial of Joan of Arc

Luis Buñuel - The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie, Belle de Jour, The Exterminating Angel

Chen Kaige - Yellow Earth, Farewell My Concubine, Temptress Moon

Jean Cocteau - Orpheus, Beauty and the Beast

Joel & Ethan Coen - Miller's Crossing, Barton Fink, Fargo or The Big Lebowski)

Francis Ford Coppola - Apocalypse Now, The Godfather, The Godfather: Part 2

David Cronenberg - Dead Ringers, Naked Lunch, Spider (love so much of his)

Atom Egoyan - The Sweet Hereafter, Exotica, Felicia's Journey

Sergei M. Eisenstein - Alexander Nevsky, Battleship Potemkin, Ivan the Terrible

Rainer Werner Fassbinder - World on a Wire (TV miniseries), Fox and His Friends, Despair

Federico Fellini - La Dolce Vita, 8½, Fellini's Satyricon

David Fincher - Se7en, The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, Fight Cub

Terry Gilliam - Brazil, Time Bandits, Twelve Monkeys

Jonathan Glazer - Under the Skin, Sexy Beast

Jean-Luc Godard - Alphaville, Breathless, La Chinoise

Michel Gondry - Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, The Science of Sleep

Peter Greenaway - Drowning by Numbers, The Cook, the Thief, His Wife & Her Lover, 8 ½ Women

Michael Haneke - Funny Games (1997), Code Unknown, The Piano Teacher

Robin Hardy - The Wicker Man (1973)

Todd Haynes - Far From Heaven, Velvet Goldmine

Werner Herzog - Aguirre, the Wrath of God, Fitzcarraldo, Where the Green Ants Dream

Hirokazu Kore-eda - After Life, Air Doll, Nobody Knows

Alfred Hitchcock - Psycho, The Birds, Vertigo

Agnieszka Holland - Olivier, Olivier, Europa, Europa

Hou Hsiao-hsien - Flowers of Shanghai, Taipei Story, A Time to Live, A Time to Die

Shohei Imamura - Black Rain, Vengeance is Mine, The Insect Woman

Juzo Itami - Tampopo, The Funeral, A Taxing Woman

Jim Jarmusch - Mystery Train, Stranger than Paradise, Night on Earth

Jean-Pierre Jeunet - Delicatessen, The City of Lost Children, Amélie

Terry Jones - Monty Python and the Holy Grail (with Gilliam), Life of Brian, The Meaning of Life

Spike Jonze - Her, Being John Malkovich, Adaptation

Alejandro Jodorowsky - The Holy Mountain, El Topo

Aki Kaurismaki - The Man Without a Past, Juha, Drifting Clouds

Abbas Kiarostami - Taste of Cherry, The Wind Will Carry Us, Where is the Friend's Home?

Krzysztof Kieślowski - Dekalog (tv miniseries); Three Colours Trilogy: Blue, White, Red; The Double Life of Veronique

Takeshi Kitano - Fireworks, Kikujiro

Stanley Kubrick - A Clockwork Orange, 2001: A Space Odyssey, The Shining, Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb

Akira Kurosawa - Dodes'ka-den, Rashomon, Ran

Fritz Lang - M, Metropolis, Contempt

Yorgos Lanthimos - Dogtooth, The Lobster, The Killing of a Sacred Deer

Ray Lawrence - Bliss (not in the poll, but I love this film)

Ang Lee - Eat Drink Man Woman; Lust, Caution; Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon

Mike Leigh - Naked, Secrets & Lies, Life is Sweet

Jens Lien - The Bothersome Man, Sons of Norway

Sergio Leone - The Good, the Bad and the Ugly, For a Few Dollars More, Once Upon a Time in the West

Ken Loach - Riff-Raff, Raining Stones, Land and Freedom

Bigas Luna - Jamón, Jamón; La teta y la luna; Golden Balls

David Lynch - Mulholland Drive, Blue Velvet, Eraserhead

Terrence Malick - The Tree of Life, Days of Heaven, The Thin Red Line

George Miller - Mad Max and Mad Max II (The Road Warrior)

Hayao Miyazaki - Princess Mononoke, Spirited Away, Howl's Moving Castle

Gaspar Noé - Enter the Void, Irreversible

Yasujirō Ozu - Tokyo Story, Tokyo Twilight, A Story of Floating Weeds

Peter Weir - Gallipoli, Picnic at Hanging Rock, The Year of Living Dangerously, The Truman Show

Park Chan-wook - Oldboy, Lady Vengeance, I'm a Byborg But That's OK

Wolfgang Petersen - Das Boot, Consequence

He Ping - Red Firecracker, Green Firecracker; Wheat

Satyajit Ray- The World of Apu, Aparajito, Pather Panchali

Jean Renoir - The Rules of the Game, The Grand Illusion, La Chienne

Alan Resnais - Night and Fog, Hiroshia Mon Amour, Last Year at Marienbad

Jacques Rivette - The Nun, Celine and Julie Go Boating, Paris Belongs to Us

Nicolas Roeg - The Man Who Fell to Earth, Don't Look Now, Walkabout

Éric Rohmer- Pauline at the Beach, Claire's Knee, My Night at Maud's

Walter Salles - Central Station, The Motorcycle Diaries, Behind the Sun

John Schlesinger - Sunday Bloody Sunday, Midnight Cowboy, Marathon Man

Martin Scorsese - Taxi Driver, Raging Bull, Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore

Vittorio De Sica - Umberto D., Bicycle Thieves, Two Women

Volker Schlöndorff - The Tin Drum, The Ogre, The Ninth Day

Ridley Scott - Alien, The Duellists, Blade Runner

Tony Scott - The Hunger

Todd Solondz - Happiness, Welcome to the Dollhouse, Palindromes

Oliver Stone - Natural Born Killers, Salvador, Platoon

Quentin Tarantino - Kill Bill Volumes 1 & 2, Reservoir Dogs, Jackie Brown

Andrei Tarkovsky - Stalker, Andrei Rublev, Solaris

Béla Tarr - Damnation, The Prefab People

Lars von Trier - The Element of Crime, Europa, Melancholia

François Truffaut - Fahrenheit 451, The 400 Blows, Jules et Jim

Tsui Hark - Butterfly Murders, Once Upon a Time in China, Zu: Warriors from the Magic Mountain

Tom Tykwer - Run Lola Run, Winter Sleepers, Heaven

Denis Villeneuve - Maelstrom, Sicario, Arrival (he also directed Blade Runner 2049)

Luchino Visconti - The Damned, The Leopard, Ossessione

Wim Wenders - Paris, Texas; Wings of Desire; Until the End of the World

Michael Winterbottom - Code 46, Wonderland

Robert Wise - The Andromeda Strain (really why I included him), The Haunting, Star Trek: The Motion Picture

Edgar Wright - Hot Fuzz, Shaun of the Dead, The World's End

Wong Kar-wai - In the Mood For Loves, 2046, Ashes of Time

Zhang Yimou - Red Sorghum, Ju Dou, Raise the Red Lantern


Edited by Logan - April 05 2020 at 20:41