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Poll Question: Post a song now, vote later
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6 [13.33%]
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

My favs were Beth Chapman and the Bears, BTW the song is not Dave it's Car Caught Fire, Dave is the YT poster. Not sure if anyone caught that.....Big smile
Glad you liked The Bears song. It is indeed Dave. The album the song came from is Car Caught Fire

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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Now the condition I can imagine inside prog that makes it interesting is: Maximum 10 ratings. 
 
I already have a condition worked out for prog, but I won't reveal it just yet.
 
I don't think "Maximum 10 ratings" is a good condition because how many of us would be able to choose albums with less than 10 ratings. That is, not just having such albums, but to be able to locate such albums in our collection, checking that they indeed do have less than 10 ratings.
 
 
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:


 
in fact... considered doing the same up in the prog area?  with obvious conditions attached. We see all kinds of song selection polls.. and most of them get little play.. because they are user favs and most come here not to explore but endlessly talk about what they like, what they already know. So those polls get little notice and few votes.

audience participation man.. that is the key to poll performance and endurance. Let them choose.  It is working here..  could it work for prog songs. Honestly I don't recall anyone trying this ..  instead we get the usual x vs. y from the biggies. And god help you if try polls with obscure stuff..  I once did.. and had a years long streak of polls that never reached page 2 (another forum record of mine never to be touched)

A quick suggestion if you might want to try it.. songs from albums outside the top .. say.. umm.. 100.. and no big 6'rs.  Take a wack at that perhaps and see how it flies.... I have a hunch it will work...

There are loads of albums outside the top 100 that >90% of those participating here know and know very well, and that have been discussed and used in polls over an over again. "No Big 6" still leaves VDGG, Gentle Giant, Camel... I don't think that'd be attractive.

Now the condition I can imagine inside prog that makes it interesting is: Maximum 10 ratings. 
By the way, personally I'm not that fast. I gave half the songs a listening yesterday but may want to hear them again for voting, and then there's the others. I can probably put something together by the end of today but even that'd be a bit in a hurry because I might want to relisten to a few and I'm not sure how much time I have today. This poll series is really great, I totally agree and I love it, but I don't like that much being forced to hurry. There were other series (like "make your own xxx album" in the top 10) that I found very attractive, but then these things were popping up two a day and that really ruined it for me. 
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by mathman0806 mathman0806 wrote:

My votes went to Stephen Malkmus and the Jicks, Earth Wind & Fire, and Charlie Daniels Band. A good mix to choose from.


yeah.. I'd say the variety on this one topped the first.  And while I have you.. great suggestion you had. Loved the song.. and the video as quite adorable. You really got me interested in her and exploring her music. 

Someone upstream mentioned it and when I was re-listening to her song earlier Raff mentioned the Bent Knee vocal similarity.  Once mentioned.. you can really hear it.


She has a range in vocals and styles. Her first album has more of a country blues vibe. First song I heard from her that got my attention was this one.



Yeah, I can hear the Bent Knee.

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My favs were Beth Chapman and the Bears, BTW the song is not Dave it's Car Caught Fire, Dave is the YT poster. Not sure if anyone caught that.....Big smile
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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Other impressions:

A Girl I Know: sophysticated pop song

Zanzibar: funk- jazz-rock fusion, near to be included in PA

Take it Easy: very good classic rock

Real emotional trash: in this poll, this track is the closest to prog: long, elaborated, with changes of rhythm and mood... interesting song, unpredictable but... something is missing to me just at the emotional level.

FGTH:ullallà.... Raff you recall me when I was a teen ager...

DMandrilla.... hmmmmm....

No, no, no....Let's not start PA-WWIII LOL. EW&F are in my top 5 all time bands, I grew up with them and they were my vehicle to progressive rock. They always included instrumentals and some of them longer pcs, but always pushing their funk/R&B roots on instrumentals with Maurice White making the kalimba a popular instrument and part of their signature sound. They also pushed me into jazz exploration and mainly due to Zanzibar.
But no inclusion here...please!Big smile
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Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:


Which is exactly why someone can play something perfectly, yet it can be unmoving.  Which is not to say that technique is unimportant, but feeling should be roused in some way by art...and also explains why things move one person and not another.  You bring your entire experience to everything you hear along the way, it's all subjective (which I am pretty sure I've espoused elsewhere), or see, for that matter, but ultimately it's that gut feeling that is the most important in music, particularly.

getting pretty heavy here for a Sundayish night...but don't diaagree at all with you there. For all the sh*t slung at prog rock over the many years.. some was undeserved.. some deserved.. but the root of much of that criticism is actually quite valid. And on the flip side of that root is the disdain many prog fans have of (in their eyes) lesser .. more simplistic forms of music has never made sense to me. 

Gentle Giant for me is the perfect example in its two very different guises (pre and post Phil) of what you are saying where one evokes emotion. feeling, atmosphere or later the emphasis on the ohhhs and ahhhs of  technical ability and complexity which is ultimately cold and soulless. No f**king thanks Thumbs DownLOL


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Originally posted by Shadowyzard Shadowyzard wrote:

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Thanks dude. I find it awesome, but just look at the other tracks, haha. Stephan Forte's song is not in the extreme metal genre, but it is extreme. Next time (if that happens) I'll share something again out of the ordinary, but not extreme. Embarrassed

Thumbs Up looking forward to seeing what you come up with... the more out of the ordinary or unexpected the better!! I can only speak for myself, but suspect I do for most, I am looking for things that I haven't heard before.. or might be unexpected stylistically if the artist is well known (like the CDB song I posted).

take this and see if you can run with it..  find something you like that you think a bunch of old farts might like or make us go Wow man..

and go from there. Surprise us Wink
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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Well, this poll went very quickly, a sign of the enthusiasm of many. But perhaps someone has not yet voted (Lewian?)... Anyway, he can always do it in time. 

I'm glad that other forumists are eager to open new interactive polls. Mike (Tcat) and I are willing to continue this beautiful experiment, so that it becomes a PA tradition but we are pleased if there are others who want to join us, so we take turns.

I would ask you to keep the maximum of 15 songs (not present here in PA) and the two basic rules: 
- expressing three preferences, making them explicit, writing them as a public message. Let's avoid becoming a poll where you just vote. It's nice to know what you think of others' favorite music. 

-And the other rule is not to vote for your song. 

I've noticed that Micky would like to open the next Interactive poll, the no. 3, in few days. 
Excellent. 

Is there anyone else who makes himself available to open the Interactive poll no. 4?

yeah man.. in my experience and years and years on this forum I've seen lots of good ideas die on the vine and go nowhere. You hit on a great idea here.. if you got the enthusiasm and it seems you do then it let it ride for all you can get out of it. I apprecaite you waiting on me for the last one but you didn't need to .. the polls will be there and with no expiration date for people to listen and chime in if they wish with what they liked.

in fact... considered doing the same up in the prog area?  with obvious conditions attached. We see all kinds of song selection polls.. and most of them get little play.. because they are user favs and most come here not to explore but endlessly talk about what they like, what they already know. So those polls get little notice and few votes.

audience participation man.. that is the key to poll performance and endurance. Let them choose.  It is working here..  could it work for prog songs. Honestly I don't recall anyone trying this ..  instead we get the usual x vs. y from the biggies. And god help you if try polls with obscure stuff..  I once did.. and had a years long streak of polls that never reached page 2 (another forum record of mine never to be touched)

A quick suggestion if you might want to try it.. songs from albums outside the top .. say.. umm.. 100.. and no big 6'rs.  Take a wack at that perhaps and see how it flies.... I have a hunch it will work...
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Dan Mandrilla - La Sezatoare
This was my #1 pick as it made me move inside with the rhythm - loved the jazzy and brass parts and busy drums and piano/keyboard - 

Guccini Francesco - La Canzone delle Domande Consuete
Twas my #2 pick as it drew in my thoughts and as others mentioned here and though I didn't understand the lyrics the feeling was there. And reading the lyrics after was a bonus

Calexico - Alone Again Or
It was my #3 pick. Wonderful intro and then into the Spanish flamenco themed rhythm and feel to the song. The subtlety of the brass was sweet. It really is almost a fun pop love song on a hot summers night.

Other songs that were close to my top 3 were with Earth Wind & Fire and Charlie Daniels Band

AND Angelica Garcia who along with many of these poll artists i never heard before.


Edited by tigerfeet - May 25 2020 at 20:21
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Well, this poll went very quickly, a sign of the enthusiasm of many. But perhaps someone has not yet voted (Lewian?)... Anyway, he can always do it in time. 

I'm glad that other forumists are eager to open new interactive polls. Mike (Tcat) and I are willing to continue this beautiful experiment, so that it becomes a PA tradition but we are pleased if there are others who want to join us, so we take turns.

I would ask you to keep the maximum of 15 songs (not present here in PA) and the two basic rules: 
- expressing three preferences, making them explicit, writing them as a public message. Let's avoid becoming a poll where you just vote. It's nice to know what you think of others' favorite music. 

-And the other rule is not to vote for your song. 

I've noticed that Micky would like to open the next Interactive poll, the no. 3, in few days. 
Excellent. 

Is there anyone else who makes himself available to open the Interactive poll no. 4?
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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

However you can express three preferences.


Yeah, I noticed. I went with Beth Nielson Chapman and Ligeti.
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Originally posted by The Anders The Anders wrote:

There were several songs I liked but my vote went to "La Canzone delle Domande Consuete" by Francesco Guccini. I was especially touched by the lyrics - very poetic. But I also admire the singer/songwriter style in it (my own music is very much in the singer/sonwriter corner).

Other candidates were Beth Nielson Chapman, the Decemberists and Ligeti.

Oh yes, you are a connoisseur! Wink

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Ok, my votes:

1) Phil Ochs: Pleasures of the Harbour. Very atmospheric song, close to poetry. Ochs was not just a reporter.

2) CDB: No place to go. Oh yeah, rock jam session with the right vocals. Maybe a little too long in the end but it's all right.

3) The Bears: Dave. For the sound.


Close to the top:

4) Calexico
5) Jo Jo Gunne
6) Stephen Malkmus.


Edited by jamesbaldwin - May 25 2020 at 19:12
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Other impressions:

A Girl I Know: sophysticated pop song

Zanzibar: funk- jazz-rock fusion, near to be included in PA

Take it Easy: very good classic rock

Real emotional trash: in this poll, this track is the closest to prog: long, elaborated, with changes of rhythm and mood... interesting song, unpredictable but... something is missing to me just at the emotional level.

FGTH:ullallà.... Raff you recall me when I was a teen ager...

DMandrilla.... hmmmmm....




Edited by jamesbaldwin - May 25 2020 at 19:06
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

I'll take starting the next poll in a few days and keep the ball rolling. 
 
Get with Lorenzo (jamesbaldwin) about starting the next poll.  Since it was his idea, I think he should manage the polls.  If he is okay with a "free-for-all", then that's fine, but he might have others that want to run the poll too.

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There were several songs I liked but my vote went to "La Canzone delle Domande Consuete" by Francesco Guccini. I was especially touched by the lyrics - very poetic. But I also admire the singer/songwriter style in it (my own music is very much in the singer/sonwriter corner).

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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Shadowyzard Shadowyzard wrote:

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This time, I relate to this Victorian joke very much, considering the song I shared here. LOL

oh man.. it wasn't that bad.. or even bad at all. Last poll I posted an absolute gem of a classic Carter Family gospel song with an especially fabulous modern interpretation of it.. and it got zero votes before I saved it from the inglorious fate and a bagel it didn't deserveLOL  Everyone is bringing their A games and honestly.. I haven't heard a bad song in either poll.  though some may connect and others may not.. what is interesting is to see what connects with who. 


Thanks dude. I find it awesome, but just look at the other tracks, haha. Stephan Forte's song is not in the extreme metal genre, but it is extreme. Next time (if that happens) I'll share something again out of the ordinary, but not extreme. Embarrassed
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The Savage Rose.....like the early psych sound
Stephen Malkmus.....even though indie alt rock has a nice retro feel also
Jo Jo Gunne....been a fan from the old days....all hail Spirit. ;)

also liked Charlie daniels and EWF.
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

and nice to see others take this the same way I did... and vote not for what you suggested (that is a given) but voted what you liked of what others suggested. 

as the votes themselves are sort of immaterial..  ie.. there are no winners or losers. I'll take starting the next poll in a few days and keep the ball rolling.  i suspect I'm not the only one brimming with songs they'd like to suggest (as well hear what others come up with) and the quick fillerup today might have kept others out... the more the merrier. 

Yeah Nickie...  we might hang here at a prog forum..  but suspect I'm not alone that in actuality prog is only my 2nd or 3rd love musically and generally only for the best of it.. for much of it really is not that good. 

Music is not for the head or the intellect..that is what books are for.. but is  about emotions... it for the heart and soul. If not obvious by first couple of choices southern roots music is what I love.. the blues and in particular and has and always will be my favorite. Something I've really taken a interest in exposing Raff to.. and though it might have taken a decade she can dig a Wlllie Nelson gospel album and not run screaming into the night like she was prone to do early on hahah
  

Which is exactly why someone can play something perfectly, yet it can be unmoving.  Which is not to say that technique is unimportant, but feeling should be roused in some way by art...and also explains why things move one person and not another.  You bring your entire experience to everything you hear along the way, it's all subjective (which I am pretty sure I've espoused elsewhere), or see, for that matter, but ultimately it's that gut feeling that is the most important in music, particularly.


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