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Droxford ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 16 2020 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 287 |
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I heard some Prog in my teens, I was born in 1961 but by the end of the 70's, stopped listening to it for decades , apart from Hawkwind and early Pink Floyd occasionally, Genesis 'The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway' ,and Yes' 'Relayer'. Now listen to Prog to a lot, and discovering Gentle Giant, King Crimson, Nektar, Focus, Caravan, ELP Camel, and rediscovering Yes , Mike Oldfield, and more. So intrigued to hear that there maybe people returning to Prog as well as new generations discovering it and forming bands themselves. I would be surprised to hear that Prog was dying out. From my time away, and returning to it, looks like there are Prog scenes all round the world, which is a really positive development.
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 19735 |
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My first recommendation to someone who never heard prog before would be close to the edge by Yes but maybe that's just me.
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 19735 |
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I bet there are still people(mostly non prog fans)who probably think prog died in the late 70's and never returned. In all honesty at this stage of the game I can't imagine there being many people who were really into prog in the old days who still think prog is dead and are unaware of the current scene but I suppose there are some. Maybe some just lost an interest in music or got into other things besides prog or maybe they just aren't curious enough about it to do the research. You would think that even with those who assumed it died and that's it might have somehow come across it by now by accident. That could be the case but not necessarily since after all you don't hear about it on the tv, radio or even online(unless you go looking for it). My situation is probably at least a little bit unique. I got into prog at the most unlikely time and that is the 1980's. It's true that many of the big named prog bands were still popular then. However, most weren't playing pure prog music and you didn't really hear the term prog used that much(not to mention no internet). I somehow got lucky and came across the term since I had rock books and a guitar book(that mentioned Robert Fripp and his progressive rock band King Crimson). By the end of the 80's I had discovered prog catalogs and then eventually prog online and so I have seen it's gradual growth first hand. It's been very interesting and reward to see prog's popularity grow in the past thirty years but it's mostly been in an underground way. It's not as though even now your average person knows what prog is. Most musicians and "music people" do but that's about it. As for giving up onprog in the 90's I kind of did that too. While I was already a big prog fan by the mid 90's Istarted to become a bit disillusioned since it seemed like I was the only one I knew who was into it. When I went back to college I got more into alternative and grunge(both of which I still like)and stopped listening to prog for a few years. In mid 1998 I rediscovered my old catalogs and then prog online by the end of the decade. I went to my first prog festival in 1999 and haven't looked back since.
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Shadowyzard ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: February 24 2020 Location: Davutlar Status: Offline Points: 4506 |
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I'd recommend Genesis and YES. Genesis for the heart & soul, YES for the brain & intellect. Is it just me? Edited by Shadowyzard - October 03 2020 at 18:52 |
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^ I agree. I remember someone recommending GG for a first timer, and that's going a bit far.
I think a lot of people tend to just name their favourites without considering how difficult it may be for a good chunk of people to get into prog. You have to think about which songs are the easiest to digest for a mainstream listener. I think Yes and Genesis are good, but some of ELP's more commercial, Lake-penned songs would be even better tbh. |
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I don't think it's either dying or coming back. The sheer amount of volume released every year is more than enough proof that it's not dying out and that in a select fanbase is stronger than ever however it has certainly lost the WOW factor. It's simply just another subsect genre of the greater rock universe that is now has taken on the role as beloved elder.
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cstack3 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: July 20 2009 Location: Tucson, AZ USA Status: Offline Points: 7652 |
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I'd suggest "In the Court of the Crimson King" by King Crimson. That is the one that hooked me.
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Frenetic Zetetic ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 09 2017 Location: Now Status: Offline Points: 9233 |
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Both are fantastic starting points IMHO.
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"I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
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The first ever record I heard that could be described as prog was Love over Gold by Dire Straits, actually. I didn't used to be into prog until I heard an album that can only be prog related and realised what I was missing. By the way, this thread is huge! So many answers! I'm not complaining, it's provided a lot of insight for me and hopefully others. Wasn't expecting this, though!
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"Music is the wine that fills the cup of silence" - Robert Fripp
"I am an anti-Christ" - Johnny Rotten |
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First three to get
ITCOTCK CTTE Foxtrot
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Cristi ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Offline Points: 47185 |
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I would not recommend CTTE as the first Yes listen or experience, but probably The Yes Album. It was my first listen and made me want to listen and explore more. CTTE got long epics that could scare a newbie away.
Same with Foxtrot, it took a while to my younger self to enjoy Supper's Ready. ![]() |
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FatherChristmas ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 30 2020 Location: LandofGrey&Pink Status: Offline Points: 2477 |
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I agree on CTTE, but I find Fragile a much more accessible album that TYA. Am I weird?
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"Music is the wine that fills the cup of silence" - Robert Fripp
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Cristi ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Offline Points: 47185 |
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No. Why would you think that? I was a teenager when I first listened to Yes, listening to mostly metal. I borrowed The Yes Album from a friend and enjoyed it instantly. Then my older brother had a couple Yes vinyls and I enjoyed that, too. We all started some place, there's no right or wrong.
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Indeed. I am often labelled weird by some because I like what I like, if you know what I mean. ![]() |
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"Music is the wine that fills the cup of silence" - Robert Fripp
"I am an anti-Christ" - Johnny Rotten |
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Friedrich Nietzsche: "Without music, life would be a mistake."
Music Is Live Two people are better off than one, for they can help each other succeed. Keep Calm And Listen To The Music… < |
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FatherChristmas ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 30 2020 Location: LandofGrey&Pink Status: Offline Points: 2477 |
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That's the attitude to have!!!
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"Music is the wine that fills the cup of silence" - Robert Fripp
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I would suggest CAN~Tago Mago to a newbie, why not, baptism by fire I always say..........The rest would be so tame.
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Cristi ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Offline Points: 47185 |
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![]() it would have the same effect as to recommending death metal to a newbie to the world of metal.
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Spaciousmind ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: September 07 2020 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 724 |
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It will never die out, it will be rediscovered through the ages forever just like classical music. I just finished with Le Orme's Ad Gloriam and it looks like have to go back to listening to Italian Prog again and re-remember it all over again... and again.
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After much consideration, I chose Wobbler - From Silence To Somewhere as the best introduction to prog. I later chose Genesis - Foxtrot as a second introduction because the person said they liked Peter Gabriel. For my next introduction, I want to go for something very different, but haven't yet decided. I'm thinking of Van der Graaf Generator - Pawn Hearts, Magma - Mekanïk Destruktïw Kommandöh, something by The Residents, or perhaps Maudlin of the Well - Part the Second. I don't buy into the idea of easing people into prog. That assumes that everyone prefers easy music and needs to be coaxed into prog... not true. I think people need to be exposed to prog for what it is, in all its glory. |
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