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Crane ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 08 2011 Location: Rhode Island Status: Offline Points: 411 |
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While I think you’re right that dream pop and shoegaze both emphasise texture over melody, I don’t think they’re exactly synonymous. I tend to think of shoegaze as distinctly derived from rock, explicitly in its use of affected guitar to achieve its textures.
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Cristi ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Online Points: 46489 |
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I was trying to make a silly joke, that's why there were two silly emoticons there, but I agree with what you say there (the sentences I bolded there). Aren't Nordic Giants a post rock band? I listened to one of their albums. If i remember right, I suggested them here on PA.
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nick_h_nz ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Prog Metal / Heavy Prog Team Joined: March 01 2013 Location: Suffolk, UK Status: Offline Points: 6742 |
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Despite the use of the word pop in the name, dreampop and shoegaze are generally seen as synonymous and interchangeable. Often you’ll find that what is described as shoegaze on one side of the Atlantic, is referred to as dreampop on the other. A lot or rock is pop anyway, so it’s somewhat spurious to imply they are wholly different. 🤷🏻♂️ Whether the music is more rock-oriented, or more pop-oriented, dreampop/shoegaze is essentially alternative rock that focuses on texture over melody. The 4AD bands were often labelled as dreampop, for example. And, since I was talking about NAO and Nordic Giants in my post, I may as well mention that fellow Kscope artists, Engineers, have also been labelled dreampop. Personally, even though I like a lot of bands that have been labelled that way, I don’t use it myself as I tend to feel that there is so much difference between all the bands, that it renders the label somewhat arbitrary and meaningless - similar to grunge, in that respect. |
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Cristi ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Online Points: 46489 |
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^ isn't shoegaze a rock subgenre rather than pop. For me, anything that got guitar distortion, is not pop music anymore.
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nick_h_nz ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Prog Metal / Heavy Prog Team Joined: March 01 2013 Location: Suffolk, UK Status: Offline Points: 6742 |
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I love NAO, and Fog Electric was my introduction to them. I now own all their releases, but whether because it is better, or perhaps simply because it was my first, Fog Electric is probably still my favourite NAO album.
I’m a really big fan of Nordic Giant’s Amplify Human Vibration album, too, which isn’t really anything like Fog Electric, but for some reason my mind always pairs the two albums up, and generally if I listen to one of those albums, I end up wanting to listen to the other one, too. |
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Crane ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 08 2011 Location: Rhode Island Status: Offline Points: 411 |
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I’m liking the Painted Word songs I’m hearing. Very good, if typical, sophisti-pop. I’ll try to track down the full albums. I’ll also have to look into your other recommendations. Thanks!
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They're one of my top bands. Love everything they done between Drums & Wires and Nonsuch. Black Sea, English Settlement and Skylarking are pretty much masterpieces IMO. |
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Progmind ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 29 2010 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 3458 |
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Hi Crane!! The Painted Word (my mistake, its The Painted Word not World) was the band of Peter John Vettese (keyboardist of Jethro Tull), they oonly release two amazingd albums, i recommend you "Lovelife" Sophisti- pop prog hybrid i recommend you: North Atlantic Oscilation, I specially recommend you the album "Fog Electric" Wild Nothing - "Nocturne" where the band shows influences from Shoegaze and Dream pop Leaves - "The Angela Test" very Radiohead + Orchestrations + pop Eksi Ekso - "I am your b*****d wings" post rock + orchestraton + pop melodies |
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dr wu23 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20696 |
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Listen to those Ferry albums... and then this one....by Simple Minds..New Gold Dream and also Sparkle In The Rain...but many of them might fit your bill. But my personal favorites are Sons and Fascination and Sister Feelings Call...both brilliant art pop and instrumental things also. One of my all time favorite tracks by them... Edited by dr wu23 - March 11 2021 at 16:07 |
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Crane ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 08 2011 Location: Rhode Island Status: Offline Points: 411 |
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I know a lot of modern sophisti-pop groups (I run an online group on the genre) but none of them mix in progressive elements like this. So good. Are their other albums similar?
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nick_h_nz ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Prog Metal / Heavy Prog Team Joined: March 01 2013 Location: Suffolk, UK Status: Offline Points: 6742 |
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^ It was definitely my immediate thought, in terms of modern, progressive sophist-pop. Glad you enjoyed it. 🤗
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Crane ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 08 2011 Location: Rhode Island Status: Offline Points: 411 |
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nick’s recommendation The Opium Cartel is possibly the best example I’ve heard of progressive sophisti-pop:
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I’m a fan, though I consider them more new wave. They did dip into the genre a bit here and there, and I think they did a fine job: Edited by Crane - March 11 2021 at 14:39 |
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Crane ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 08 2011 Location: Rhode Island Status: Offline Points: 411 |
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I’ll have to revisit those Ferry albums. Thanks. Can you recommend some Simple Minds?
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I've just discovered XTC and I love all of their stuff that ive heard so far, might sorta scratch the itch you're looking for.
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dr wu23 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20696 |
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Don't know anything about 'sophisti pop' but Ferry's solo lp's Boys and Girls and Bete Noire are about as slick as they come and still proggy at times. Also Simple Minds did several things in the 80's that are proggy and sophisticated imo.
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Crane ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 08 2011 Location: Rhode Island Status: Offline Points: 411 |
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You’ve named some of the best. I only don’t know The Painted World. I can recommend some newer artists, although I was hoping to make this thread about a prog/sophisti-pop hybrid, rather than sophisti-pop itself.
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Progmind ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 29 2010 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 3458 |
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I really like the genre, somo of my favorites are:
The Blue Nile Prefab Sprout China Crisis Japan Joe Jackson (first new wave, later sophisti-pop) The Pale Fountains The Painted World
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nick_h_nz ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Prog Metal / Heavy Prog Team Joined: March 01 2013 Location: Suffolk, UK Status: Offline Points: 6742 |
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^ I was going to mention Frankie Goes To Hollywood. You got there first! 😄
I’m not a great fan, overall, of the Pleasuredome album, but it’s worth it for the songs that are good. The title track alone is bloody amazeballs. |
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