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Poll Question: Which three are your favourites?
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Nicky: Thanks, as always a great read! I was wondering whether the vocals might be a problem for Cornelius, they're rather, let's say, "functional", but the spectacular live show didn't leave me the option to pick something else. Big smile


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Fareed Haque.  Is father is Pakistani, mother is Chilean, and he fuses those influences and many more into some amazing guitar-based jazz-rock fusion. 

His stage act includes traditional Pakistani and Indian instrumentation (Fareed plays the amazing fretless oud).


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^ Thanks Nickie. In Fatih Erkoç's performance, the part with "habibi" is sung in Arabic actually. In the middle, he apologetically asks people, like "I hope no one here epeaks Arabic?" LOL We borrowed (and adapted to our phonetic style) lots of words from Arabic, but we did the same from some Western languages too, mostly from French.

Glad that you enjoyed my picks. Smile
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First thought on the rest of Page One:  

Christian:  Anoushka Shankar “Land of Gold”  As expected, sitar music, but a British (I think) vocalist, cello and toned metal drums set the stage. Understated mixture of East and West, with two girls from oviously other cultures than each other walk with each other in the video, illustrating the essence of the song.  The music picks up in intensity.  Another gorgeous piece in this poll.  Cornelius “Audio Architecture” Live performance this time.  Ah, whangles and curving keys and guitar notes start this one out.  Very jazz feeling to me, but the vocals are not really a jazz type vocal, kind of more spoken than sung.  Some electronic wriggles and keyboard runs provide punctuation throughout.   Discordant sort of keyed horns and jumbled vocal effects, then back to the main theme, than an abrupt ending.  Talvin Singh “Seven Notes”  Sounds of great interest before even hearing it, from your description.  Almost keyboard tapping sounds with soft keyboard tones, an eerie and plaintive voice enters, with lots of echo and such.  Some guitar notes play here and there, then pick up again for a longer stretch in a repetitive pattern. There is some scatting type of singing, again, I think he is uttering drumbeats.  Keyboards enter and play a horn sort of sound, mizmar-ish, yet slightly deeper in tone.  Haunting and mesmerizing. 

Shadowyzard:  Quite looking forward to hearing some of the music of your homeland!  Fatih Erkoc “Emmoglu”  Live performance with a male vocalist doing what I think of as very classic Turkish vocal.  Electric band is behind him, there is the sound of a ney, very quietly (may be being one on a keyboard).  Band comes in, really modern song, sung in English.  He does a good imitation of Louis Armstrong for a moment.  Singer plays trumpet in a solo, then back to Turkish (Habibi means beloved, does it not?) classic type singing.  Then sound of a santur (?) (again on keys?).  Then sort of a Tom Jones performance, with microphone flourishes and such.  Haktan Canevi “Beddua”  Here we have Oriental orchestra setting, just beautiful music.  Another classic Turkish type vocal, wondering how/if it will get switched up.  This almost gets operatic in style, yet retaining obviously Turkish rather than Italian language, showcasing his range.  Love the way everyone is clapping along and enjoying so much.  Stunning, really quite enjoyed this one.  Erkan Gümüşsuyu “Yıllar”  Another Oriental Orchestra type setting with dumbek heard a bit more than in the two previous.  Very smooth singing style, thinking this may be a much-loved song that he is covering?  Very passionate performance, really hits those high notes.  The orchestral melody is also very beautiful. The judges are very appreciative.   I prefer the middle of the 3, however. 

Mike:  Kahimi Karie “Lolitapop Dollhouse”  This is much more rocky than many of the previous entrants.  Makes me think a lot of punk, she talk/sings in a very little girl type voice over very raucous instrumentation.  Compelling to listen to, even though I have no idea what she is singing.  They way they layer it is much more sophisticated than punk.  There is a break a bit over mid-way, to add interest.  Jaminai “Prelude/Onda”  I almost brought this myself, but like Mila, noticed that you’d reviewed them, so left them for you.  I hope some here haven’t heard them yet, they are in for a wonderful surprise!  Sales “Off and On”  Definitely get the alt-rock vibe right from the start.  There is a repeating guitar, bass and drums riffing under the female vocalist’s soft delivery.  Lead guitar is sort surf-y, nice tone to it.  Feels very much like a summer beach sort of tune, or driving on the coast.



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@ Kees
I think, compromise is the best solution in such a situation. Maybe the total length of the suggested songs should be decisive rather than the number of songs. But of course that would also affect the number of songs to some extent, indirectly. I mean, people could still share those long pieces if they wish, but out of competition, maybe or in a separate category as Greg has suggested earlier (bonus tracks). ;)



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^ No, no, Mila, you don't have to change anything. Things are going as they were going before, so all's fine. Your new suggestion is a valid one, but I'm just not in for it.

@Lewian: you know, my three suggestions in your talk talk poll totalled up to 73 minutes... So I'm guilty as hell! (did I put up a fourth one...?)

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Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

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That doesn't seem like a good idea to me... 


Now I can understand your concern, Kees. I did mention in the rules that 3 songs per participant would be reasonable but I can't ask people to delete their videos that they have already posted, can I? If we had less of those long pieces things would be a bit easier, too. I have not much experience with these polls here. I participate in a few online song contests but they work differently. There you have more people and shorter songs, 4-5 min at the max. Also people do comment on the music but much less than here and it is more competitive, you see?



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Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

 
We also had a discussion earlier to keep the number of suggestions down to two or maximum three. This would possibly stimulate participants to listen to all music and not just the nominations, but probably not for everyone. On the other hand, it is fun to see sometimes a fourth suggestion (or even fifth) coming up, as a result of the comments/discussions and it would be a pity to exclude this kind of spontaneity and exchange. But still, it takes time to listen to all of them and not everybody want/can invest that in these wonderful polls.

Of course some suggest four things totalling 18 minutes and sometimes a single proposal takes 23. Tongue
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Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

Welcome to conducting one of these polls, Mila!  Here are my first thoughts on the first half of Page One, usually I split the first page, as it tends to be most active.

Mila:  “Asia Destination World Introduction to Asia,” just for info.  Great idea, since not everyone thinks of some countries being in, or partly in, Asia, I would think.  “Sounds and Colours of Asia”  Another info piece.  So many wonderful, diverse instruments, sounds and styles. 


Thank you Nickie, I'm glad that you liked the videos! It was not so easy to find something appropriate about the entire continent. The first video is from National Geographic Kids, but they had the most beautiful pictures. Smile



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Originally posted by Mila-13 Mila-13 wrote:

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Hello everybody, 

So far we have 14 participants and in total there are 25 slots on the poll. I was wondering whether it would make sense to give you guys the chance to nominate more than just one song each?
That doesn't seem like a good idea to me... I share your enthusiasm for these polls, they're a great and fun way to share music, but it takes time to listen and eventually to comment. So, packing all the 25 slots just because we have them will not add much to these polls but will possibly estrange some of our valuable contributors. I mean, some already only listen to the final nominations (which, with say 15 participants, takes up between 1h30/2h listening time). When one listens to all suggestions put up this easily doubles or triples the time spent. Some just don't have or want to spend so much time on it.
I generally try to listen to all suggestions and comment on them all - I do not always have the time and sometimes I don't get to the end of it. In ten days the teaching season will start again and I will probably have less time available than these last months.

I would actually prefer to encourage people to listen to all suggestions (and comment on them), than to pack the final nominations list, but again: it is time consuming.
We have had some time consuming polls (the duo polls, the album side poll) and they were extremely interesting, but had less participants... I think it should be possible to do these kind of polls every once in a while, but knowing that not everybody who is generally participating will do so in these time consuming ones.

We also had a discussion earlier to keep the number of suggestions down to two or maximum three. This would possibly stimulate participants to listen to all music and not just the nominations, but probably not for everyone. On the other hand, it is fun to see sometimes a fourth suggestion (or even fifth) coming up, as a result of the comments/discussions and it would be a pity to exclude this kind of spontaneity and exchange. But still, it takes time to listen to all of them and not everybody want/can invest that in these wonderful polls.

So, to cut a long story short: I think that about 15 final nominations is a nice average for these polls to keep everybody on board. We once had 25 nominations (I think it was your first participation, Mila?) and I noticed that some were a bit overwhelmed by it... So was I actually, and a next time I might be more reticent to comment on all of those suggestions, despite the fact that I think that the comments add much value to these polls (sometimes mine were very short, or just absent, because of time constraints).



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^ Mila, yep, and I personally would not be opposed to you doing it your way. I rather then would like the idea of the second choices being bonus ones to vote for (three votes for the primary nominations, and one vote for a bonus choice) but that's me, and this is your poll and your turn, not mine. I think these are flexible (I would hope so), although if making changes part way in, I would want to ask for opinions like you did if it was my turn. It's part of a series but each person can bring their own twists to it as I see it (certainly not against the forum rules). I think it was a good idea to bring it up as you did even if the consensus is of the "keep it the same" variety. In my Heaven and Hell poll I was going to just do one track per participant even though I didn't want to (I just felt like two duos in a row from me might seem a bit much), and then I was encouraged to do it as the duos soon after starting the poll.

Personally, I (excuse the tautology) would like to see these polls be free to try different and unexpected things and have new ideas coming into play within the same general framework. I'm a liberal-minded guy. I do understand that for some time constraints are a real issue, so some likely would prefer shorter polls and I felt concerned about nominating a 21 minute track this round, but then I did it anyway. I was encouraging in the last poll for a long track to be selected, and it did well in the votes. I like your idea.

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Well you know, I am new here. I have participated only three times so far. Your poll gave me the impression that this format was flexible which encouraged me to suggest a modification of the rules. Of course your topic did require two songs per participant. That's where the main difference is. Smile


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Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:



What wonderful write-ups, Nickie! Reading your write-ups is one of the biggest highlights of the series for me. A sort of ghost story is the impression I get too from Osorezan. I think it draws heavily on Japanese folklore traditions, Japanese theater traditions, and it definitely makes me think of Oni, which are demon, troll, ogre like figures in Japanese mythology (oni are orkish). I probably should have warned about the screaming, especially at the beginning. As Barbarella says, "A good many dramatic situations begin with screaming."

Geinoh Yamashirogumi, which acts as a large collective, also did a live version of it for any who might be interested at some time perhaps, not now I suggest (as if over twenty minutes was not already enough for now): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMq0N3rADpU

While on the topic of GY, because I wanted to post this as well but decided to stick with the three (one being very long as is) from GY's Yamato Gensho:

Video removed for space

As for "Ash in the Rainbow", I love the whole album of the same name, and I love other things Haco. It is indeed a musical saw being played by the cellist Sakamoto Hiromichi (this time sticking with the traditional Japanese of using the surname first). As for "Egg's Dream", that's me turning to my love of soundtracks again. It's a beautiful modern classical sort of soundtrack. I felt that particular one would work well in its way with my other selections.

I did want to go all Japanese because Japan means so very much to me. I have had so many happy times. Kyoto in particular is very special to me.
  

Thank you, Greg.  I do enjoy listening through them all and love when people do have the time to comment, even one-liner's are good, although I tend to be on the wordy side.  I am pretty familiar with bowed saw music, Tom Scribner, in the little town of Santa Cruz, has a statue in his honour in a central downtown location (near the town clock) there.  He was a logger and learned while working in the logging camps, before he retired.  I was lucky to see him play and hear his stories about those past times.  His story, for any interested:  https://history.santacruzpl.org/omeka/items/show/82546#?c=0&m=0&s=0&cv=0

It is particularly meaningful when you have personal experience of an area and music so often is a link we can bring with us, wherever we go, as you mention in your memories of Japan.  I thoroughly enjoyed all three of these, although the screams were a bit unnerving!  I'm a jumpy person, lol.  


I really appreciate the comments, and hope to try my hand at doing those again.
Glad you liked all three. That Osorezan sounds like a rather different mix than in the version in my collection (a remastering, I mean). It's like they decided to up the horror quotient in the audio mixing to make it more extreme. For instance, it's like they took those screams to eleven (it's a little more subdued in my release version, but still ear piercing (and might give one a jump scare).

My time living in Japan, and interest in the culture, definitely makes such expression resonate more with me. I'd love to be back there for more than a short vacation

Your story on Tom Scribner is very interesting and I checked out the link. Thanks for sharing.

Originally posted by Mila-13 Mila-13 wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Mila: I do think that would be too onerous on many, and it would be kind of sad to me for people to be left out of the two choices.

A possibility at some time to maybe consider, and others might loathe the idea, would be for the added extra options to fill out the list to act as "bonus" options. Those who wished to nominate an extra as a bonus could do so (depending on space), and the votes would be for three of the regular nominations plus one for a bonus song option for those who would wish to do so. I wouldn't want it to be first come first serve. Could write-in vote on which bonus ones to include, but then that would like having another round and that would be rather ridiculous.

Neat idea, Mila, and that or something like it I do find to be an interesting prospect, depending on how the details were worked out and planning took place, even if I think most would not like it. I think progressive music folks are often fairly conservative when it comes to trying new things. ;)

14 options is not uncommon for these polls, and we may get some more people joining in still.


 "I think progressive music folks are often fairly conservative when it comes to trying new things."

I think, I will put this sentence in a frame! LOL

I'm too spontanous, obviously. A vivacious southerner. lol We could discuss this in the team section at some point, or maybe not. Wink


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If you're being spontaneous, then I like your spontaneity. I have to watch myself from being too spontaneous often because spontaneous plus me too often equals trouble as some of my failed home projects would attest too: "Uh oh, he's got the power tools out again."
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I really really wanted to restrict myself to three but I have no discipline...
and I eventually decided that this kind of music that I love to pieces and at which the Japanese are very good needs to be represented.
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Mila: I do think that would be too onerous on many, and it would be kind of sad to me for people to be left out of the two choices.

A possibility at some time to maybe consider, and others might loathe the idea, would be for the added extra options to fill out the list to act as "bonus" options. Those who wished to nominate an extra as a bonus could do so (depending on space), and the votes would be for three of the regular nominations plus one for a bonus song option for those who would wish to do so. I wouldn't want it to be first come first serve. Could write-in vote on which bonus ones to include, but then that would like having another round and that would be rather ridiculous.

Neat idea, Mila, and that or something like it I do find to be an interesting prospect, depending on how the details were worked out and planning took place, even if I think most would not like it. I think progressive music folks are often fairly conservative when it comes to trying new things. ;)

14 options is not uncommon for these polls, and we may get some more people joining in still.

 "I think progressive music folks are often fairly conservative when it comes to trying new things."

I think, I will put this sentence in a frame! LOL

I'm too spontanous, obviously. A vivacious southerner. lol We could discuss this in the team section at some point, or maybe not. Wink




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Originally posted by The Anders The Anders wrote:

Personally I prefer one song for each participant. I usually only listen to the final nominations, because it takes a lot of time to get through all the tracks posted in the thread. Also, voting for two songs (which we actually did in a few polls) means that I often like one song much better than the other, and that makes voting difficult.

 
The idea was not to make one package of two song per participant. Quite the opposite, people could vote for each song separately. I found it difficult to vote in the heaven/hell poll that we have had recently. In that regard, I absolutely agree with you. - You mentioned that you would listen mainly to the nominated songs. People have posted some really great stuff this edition. It would be a pity to miss them.




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Mila: I do think that would be too onerous on many, and it would be kind of sad to me for people to be left out of the two choices.

A possibility at some time to maybe consider, and others might loathe the idea, would be for the added extra options to fill out the list to act as "bonus" options. Those who wished to nominate an extra as a bonus could do so (depending on space), and the votes would be for three of the regular nominations plus one for a bonus song option for those who would wish to do so. I wouldn't want it to be first come first serve. Could write-in vote on which bonus ones to include, but then that would like having another round and that would be rather ridiculous.

Neat idea, Mila, and that or something like it I do find to be an interesting prospect, depending on how the details were worked out and planning took place, even if I think most would not like it. I think progressive music folks are often fairly conservative when it comes to trying new things. ;)

14 options is not uncommon for these polls, and we may get some more people joining in still.

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Personally I prefer one song for each participant. I usually only listen to the final nominations, because it takes a lot of time to get through all the tracks posted in the thread. Also, voting for two songs (which we actually did in a few polls) means that I often like one song much better than the other, and that makes voting difficult.
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Originally posted by Mila-13 Mila-13 wrote:


General Info & Question 

Hello everybody, 

So far we have 14 participants and in total there are 25 slots on the poll. I was wondering whether it would make sense to give you guys the chance to nominate more than just one song each?

2 participants have submitted just one song. I would submit also only one in order to leave more space. Maybe, Lorenzo would also agree on nominating only one song considering that he suggested several songs by the same artist. This would allow the following option:

10 x 2 songs + 4 x 1 song = 24 songs / > Space left for one more song.

In case more people would show interest in participating, we could decide by lot who gets the ticket to nominate two songs. :P

What's your opinion?

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  I would vote for keeping it one nomination, oftentimes these polls grow a lot as the days go by.  Part of the challenge is picking one piece out of several (I rarely do more than 3, only once have I only nominated one).  Indeed, for some categories, it's a challenge to narrow my picks to 3, but I've done that except for when I've been the poll host(ess).  Not sure what others will think, just my 2 cents.  
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