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Snicolette ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 02 2018 Location: OR Status: Offline Points: 6070 |
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My nomination will be Heather Nova's "Walk This World."
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"Into every rain, a little life must fall." ~Tom Rapp
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Snicolette ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 02 2018 Location: OR Status: Offline Points: 6070 |
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Additions from 3 up to here.
Greg: Victime “Fatigue” This one is discordant and punky, and angry
one with lots of whangling keys and guitars.
A bit of a bass solo for relief. Eskaton still my fave. Mila: The Jezabels “Trycolour” This moves along nicely in a pop/rock
mode. I like this one, too, but still
prefer Tash. Christian: Go_A-SHUM “Ukraine Contribution etc” Ooooh, fun discordant vocals. Almost sorta middle eastern/Balkan moments
and what a cool truck and falcon. Synths and a whistle/flute. Ends on a high note with almost
what would be called a “zyarit,” in belly dance land. Now this one is my
fave. Out of Competition: Amon Duul “Das Gestern Ist Dast Heute Von
Morgen” Kind of a marching along piece,
I had heard Amon Duul in the past, but not explored much. Definitely rocking in it’s way, but not my
cup of tea.
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"Into every rain, a little life must fall." ~Tom Rapp
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jamesbaldwin ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: September 25 2015 Location: Milano Status: Offline Points: 6052 |
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@Suitkees
Izia @Lewian Eiszeit
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Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
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jamesbaldwin ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: September 25 2015 Location: Milano Status: Offline Points: 6052 |
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SOME OPINION ON THE CANDIDATES:
@Cristi Fanny > Blood Cerimony @ Logan Midori @TCat The Jones Sister > Linda Martini
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Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
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tigerfeet ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 16 2017 Location: Happy Hollow Status: Offline Points: 556 |
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Thanks TCat. You guys are making choosing a final nomination very difficult |
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I'm sorry, if you were right, I'd agree with you. Robin Williams.
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tigerfeet ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 16 2017 Location: Happy Hollow Status: Offline Points: 556 |
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Thanks all for the comments. It really is amazing to see how we all listen to something, and perhaps depending on many factors, come to a feeling, as it really for me is a feeling for a song, if it gives me some kind of spiritual or physical reaction. Suitkees, yeah, Joanne Shaw Taylor can sound quite linear, and for me, it depends on my mood, especially for Blues based songs. Sometimes I just cant listen to her (or the blues), while other times I find myself in "that" place.
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I'm sorry, if you were right, I'd agree with you. Robin Williams.
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Snicolette ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 02 2018 Location: OR Status: Offline Points: 6070 |
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"Watching the Clothes Go Round" was quite funny especially since it was the more punk sounding of the songs on the album (and punk rock, to suit the theme), but also a bit sad if you think about it. I love that album because it has such a great variety of styles on it. [/QUOTE]
Yeah, we used to always sing it when we were in the laundromat in Santa Cruz, lol.
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"Watching the Clothes Go Round" was quite funny especially since it was the more punk sounding of the songs on the album, but also a bit sad if you think about it. I love that album because it has such a great variety of styles on it.
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Lewian ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 09 2015 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 15473 |
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Latecomers: TCat, The Breeders "Cannonball" - I like this more than the other Breeders one but not as much as L7. suitkees, Anna Calvi: Yeah, I can definitely see why this picks your slot, I would've loved to be in the audience.
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Lewian ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 09 2015 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 15473 |
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Something from PA out of competition, I always found this outstanding, particularly Renate's vocals and the sax, despite the album not being that popular. PS @Mila: Sometimes also for me linking a youtube video doesn't seem to work. I then go to my youtube history, delete the video there and search it again. Normally linking it will then work. (Don't ask...
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Snicolette ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 02 2018 Location: OR Status: Offline Points: 6070 |
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Thank you for your thoughts on these. I love most of Heather Nova's stuff, especially when she veers from more standard fare (which, thankfully, is most of her material). Romeo Void also had that great commentary song, "A Girl In Trouble," but that wasn't a rocker. I figured most people would know The Pretenders, this was definitely one of their more straight-ahead rockers, I almost entered "Watching The Clothes Go Round," which always cracked me up. |
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Lewian ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 09 2015 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 15473 |
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mathman: The Pretty Reckless are my winner among yours - the christmas thing made this extra fun for me. Dead Sara not far behind though. Logan: Cool stuff there - both are big fun. Hard to decide between them, both could be prizeworthy. By the way I only know 4 Visions of Eskaton and it's great, as is the one you play here. I need to expand them in my collection it seems. jamesbaldwin: It seems the law of this poll that the last suggestion works best for me - maybe because it makes me proud that I now get most of the Italian lyrics. ![]() Snicolette: I'm tempted to say just for the sake of keeping up the law mentioned above that I prefer the Pretenders. Indeed there's not much between them. Honestly Romeo Void comes over as most fresh and sharp here. tigerfeet: We're properly back to last one trumps here. The first one meh, the second one nice, the third one Imelda May big fun. Mila: These two are very different and hard to compare. I think Courtney Barnett makes me want more to hear her song again. (Heard Jezabels now who don't change my preference.)
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TCat ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 07 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 11612 |
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Here's my take on the first page....
Cristi: Joan Jett – I Hate Myself for Loving You. Already know this one too well. Joan was one of my best friend’s favorite artists when I was growing up, so I’m quite familiar with her music. Fanny – Place in the Country – This is the vibe I love to hear, raunchy, and not over-produced and a lot of attitude. And a great mix of soul in there with the rock with impressive guitar and piano solos. Killer ending. Girlschool – Race with the Devil – Great guitar work with an addictive hook, the vocals a bit to sweet however, and it’s a bit cliché, but still fun. Blood Ceremony – Goodbye Gemini – Sort of a Grace Slick vibe and the added flute is cool. Love the solid hooks, but I do lose interest towards the end. My pick from yours is the Fanny track, and it is a contender. JD: Lee Aaron – Watcha Do To My Body – She’s got the swag for it, but I’m not that convinced, and nothing there really reeled me in. It’s basic heavy pop. Lita Ford – Kiss Me Deadly – Already quite familiar with this one. Great hooks and more convincing than the previous one, but its still heavy metal pop and not the style I care for “You know I like dancin’ wit’chu” . The Runaways – Cherry Bomb - Much better. I like the attitude and it seems more authentic. Great hooks, better video, more of the punkish attitude which I love, though it’s not punk, I still like it better. This one would be my favorite. Bonus track: Nina Hagen – Universal Radio – Glam rock with the larger-than-life personality to match. Not a fan of the programmed synth, and the clips from the live show with the guitarists hitting the power chords when there are no guitars playing at the time is humorous. Still like The Runaways best. Lewian: Sylvia Juncosa – One in Three – That’s what I’m talking about. A lot of attitude mixed with an unpolished sound and a lot of originality. Plus a great hook, crazy tempo and a blistering guitar solo. This is perfect. Ideal – Eiszeit – Not bad, but a bit on the repetitive side, melodically. Not quite as captivating as the Juncosa track, but still pretty good. Punkish, but with a high dose of new wavish sound mixed in. Suitkees: Anouk – Nobody’s Wife – Solid beat on the chorus with softer verses, but it has the right attitude. I like her vocals and the track is also pretty good. It’s got that ‘90’s alternative rock feel which was a bit cliché in 1997, but it sounds good now. Anouk – It’s a New Day – Still love her vocals which stand out even more on this song. And it’s got a more updated feel to it, not just in the message, but in the sound. There are great rocking ballads, and this one is really good. Izia – So Much Trouble – Great tension build up that delivers nicely. I love that it keeps the driving rhythm on the 2nd verse. This one is another great track. I like all three of your tracks, so I’d be good with any one of them, though I probably lean towards the Izia track most as it has more of an unpolished feel to it, though I like Anouk’s vocals more, so it’s a though choice. mathman0806: Dead Sara – Weatherman – Yeah, I like this one. It definitely is convincing and sold me on her gruff vocals and the driving rhythm. Yeah the chorus is a bit repetitive, but her vocals make that okay. And that hook is awesome, so is the middle section when it builds that tension. Did I mention that I love the vocals. I’m sold! Love it. My favorite out of your submissions. Thunderpussy – Powerhouse – Hard and heavy, but it doesn’t deliver the punch like your first selection did, even with the video, which seems a little mismatched to the song for me. The Pretty Reckless – And So It Went – This one is a bit better, but it’s still a little unconvincing to me. I do like the alt-metal feel to it, the RAtM/Audioslave-like guitars (Morello is involved after all and that’s the best part), and the delivery is okay, but it just doesn’t have the punch of the Dead Sara track. tigerfeet: Joanne Shaw Taylor – Bad Love: Yeah, I love the blues-influenced hard rock on this one, and she definitely rocks. Killer guitar solos. This is a great track and her use of the famous lyrics which fit perfectly here. It’s my kind of rock, blistering and hard driving music. Great track. Melt-Banana – Shield for Your Eyes, a Beast in the Well
on Your Hand – Yessssssssssss!!!!
This noisy guitar driven, bass heavy music is what I absolutely
love. And then the unhinged vocals only
make it all better. I’m going to have to
dive into this one even more. Great
stuff! Midori – ミドリ — かなしい日々。Okay, this one is a little
bit over the top, though there are some parts about it that I love. Not a fan of the vocals, even though I
understand where they’re coming from. I
suppose I might get to like it if I could get past the vocals. Melt-Banana is my choice from these two. Eskaton – Dagon – Nice slow build and
the organ and harmonized vocals mirroring each other is a great touch, very
mysterious and sinister. Then that crazy
change of direction at 5 minutes is awesome!
The growling bass sounds like a behemoth. The beat drives forward, pushing like it
can’t wait to get to a certain pay off of sorts. Love this.
I gotta get me some more of that, for sure! So, I would be happy with this one or the
Melt-Banana track. jamesbaldwin: Cristina Donà - Ho Sempre Me – Yes, I really like
this one and it’s good to hear that Snicolette: Heather Nova – Walk this World – Nice, sultry, and
yes a rock edge to it all, kind of that dark alt-rock that I really like. There are some great guitar effects in the
middle that grabs my attention. Love the
cello-like bass in it too. Romeo Void
– Never Say Never – This is a band I remember from the 80’s, but I never
paid a lot of attention to it for some reason.
After hearing this now, I don’t know why I ignored them so much as this
is the kind of messy, punkish feel that I tend to be attracted to now. That being said, I do remember this track and
am familiar with it, though I guess I never put the band name and the song
together. Love the song, but, I know it
already, but I do thank you for reminding me of it. The Pretenders – Middle of the Road –
An all-time favorite of mine from way back when I first heard it. I love the first three albums by The
Pretenders, including and especially this hard rocking, fast moving song. It gets me going every time! So, I have to go with the Heather Nova track
since I already know the other two, but The Pretenders would otherwise have
been a contender if I had never heard it.
How can you resist that driving, unrelenting beat and wild guitar? |
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TCat ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 07 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 11612 |
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So, I really wanted to post "Cannonball" by The Breeders, even though I like the "Saints" song, I felt "Cannonball" was too well known. I may end up using this one instead of the "Saints" song. Here it is if you want to hear it and throw your opinions at me before I decide.....
The Breeders - "Cannonball" |
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jamesbaldwin ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: September 25 2015 Location: Milano Status: Offline Points: 6052 |
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About this speech. Fritz Perls, the founding psychiatrist of Gestalt psychology, remembers that everything is on a line of contrast. Now, I don't remember exactly the term of the concept he uses, but still. How can you say you like something if you don't know disgust? How can you say you feel pleasure if you don't know pain? (Moreover, there are cases in which the two terms, that is the opposite poles, get confused: pleasure taken to the extreme can cause pain, and vice versa) Negative criticisms are as essential as positive ones, because if there were only positive criticisms, you would lose the taste, the pleasure of those criticisms. In short, negative criticisms are indispensable to feel a lot of pleasure for positive criticisms. |
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Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
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TCat ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 07 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 11612 |
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Thanks to everyone for the comments. It always makes it easier to pick my nomination as many times it is difficult for me to do on my own. I usually like to put up a variety of songs to show that the subject is not always as "limited" as we might think it is.
This time around, I've noticed that everyone that commented seemed to like a different track more than the others, and it turns out that among the comments, every one of the submissions was preferred by someone, and therein lies the danger of posting a variety. So, I'm still thinking about which one to nominate, but I'll decide by Monday. Thanks again for the comments!
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suitkees ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 19 2020 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 9050 |
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^ If I were you, which luckily for you I'm not, I would stick with Melt-Banana. It may not be for me, but somehow I guess it might much more please Cristi, Mike, George, Özgür (he hasn't participated in this poll (yet), but somehow I guess he might like this more than me...) and maybe others. There are only few commenting and of course they are not representative of what the IA-crowd (all and everyone! The masses!) might think.
Very well put, imo. It is why I said that it might be a disappointment when someone doesn't like your (my) suggestions, but on the other hand we can only respect that person's own preferences and once we get to know someone a bit better acknowledge that something we might like might not be in his/her scope... BTW, don't think your humour remains unnoticed (regarding Midori):
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The razamataz is a pain in the bum |
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As Spinal Tap put it, "I just want to make some eardrums bleed." Thanks for taking the time comment on the choices (and Nickie too). It does present a dilemma. I like noise, I like noise rock (well, normally in moderation) and I do want to put something out there that is rather different from other people's choices, represents a part of my tastes, and that I feel fits my interpretation of the brief well, and I'm resistant to following orders. That Melt-Banana is automatically what I wanted others here to experience, and not just because I'm a sadistic b*****d. I love it, and not just because I'm a masochistic b*****d. It's over-the-top, but it has groove I like. I love the bass lines. Eskaton is an old-time favourite of mine, and in choosing "Dagon" it would be less likely to be familiar to posters here than going with something from 4 Visions (my favourite Eskaton album), but the Melt-Banana I felt sure would be my choice when I posted it. I did think people generally here might appreciate it more due to being rather different from the others that are more standard commercial rock fare. And since no one has liked it in this thread or if they have, they didn't say so. I do tend to favour the quirky, and not the more straight ahead and mainstream kinds of rock choices. It's just my taste, rather like how I tend to be more on the experimental rock than the more typical melodic rock side. I often appreciate the unconventional and less conventional. Hopefully whatever choice I go with will present some satisfying contrast in the list and make it more eclectic as I appreciate hearing a diversity of sounds and seeing a diversity of approaches. My heart still says Melt-Banana, but part of the reason to list multiple ones is to hear what the other posters think of one's selections, and as I see it, take that into account. I do want to post something that is going to be appreciated by someone other than me. Sometimes when I have trouble deciding, I just want to say, please topic-starter, pick what you find best of my selections. Regarding criticism generally: I consider music to be very much a part of me in a way and when I share music meaningful to me I feel like I am making a personal statement -- baring my soul a little bit even if others would not see it that way. When one hears negativity about the selection, it can feel like that person is negating you, is invalidating you. But the thing is not to take it too personally, and realise that what that person says comes from their experience and tastes and says something personal about them. It used to bug me when I would share something I like and someone else would say "That sucks", "There are better choices" etc. And rarely would those claims be backed up, as its subjective. I found that strange as I don't make the claim that what I like is good or the best generally and recognise the subjective nature of music appreciation. I'm happy with criticism as I long as I feel it's constructive and well-meaning. It's when the delivery comes across as "cold", as arrogant, as belittling, as invalidating of different perspectives that it can be hard to swallow. I'm fine when people tell me that they don't enjoy what I enjoy as long as they don't claim that I am wrong to like it or express incredulity over me liking it or make certain non-demonstrable truth claims. Another's tastes can be unfathomable to oneself. And trying to quite nicotine gum again, which means I get more rambly than ever. It's very hard to think straight. Edited by Logan - October 23 2021 at 09:18 |
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Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
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