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lazland ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 28 2008 Location: Wales Status: Offline Points: 13880 |
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I think this is a really interesting question, and it goes to the heart of peoples love of music and tastes down the ages. As an example, I will discuss Genesis, universally appreciated as one of the classics of prog rock bands in the 70’s, but derided by many so called prog fans in the 80’s onwards as having “sold out”. Gabriel left Genesis in 1975 after The Lamb. When he returned to recording studio albums and new music, it sounded bugger all like his parent band. Especially after Melt. Genesis deliberately released a couple of symphonic albums in ATOTT and WAW. When Hackett left, they again deliberately released albums which were seriously divergent from those. Whether you liked those albums, or not, is somewhat besides the point. The point is that what was released was different. If Genesis had released ten albums sounding exactly like Foxtrot or SEBTP, or The Lamb, I would have grown very bored very quickly. If Ghost Toast do something similar, i.e. do something different, then the Laz glass will be raised as high as it is tonight.
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Jared ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 06 2005 Location: Hereford, UK Status: Offline Points: 20749 |
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I get where you are coming from Steve but on the other side of the coin, is it fair to expect to expect bands of considerable longevity to constantly moving forward, reinventing themselves and saying something new with each album? As an example, many have derided Dream Theater for trotting out only a slight variation on a well worn formula, until the released the Astonishing... which frankly wasn't. Ultimately, these bands have essentially the same personnel and they know what works for them and their fan base and a change of direction can come at a reputational risk. I remember seeing SB on their first mini UK tour supporting Day For Night and they really were revelatory, but after 13 studios, they aren't going to deviate from their sound. Maybe Ghost Toast do win hands down (you can raise a glass to this weeks toast!) but after 10 studio albums, will they still be taking you somewhere else??
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lazland ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 28 2008 Location: Wales Status: Offline Points: 13880 |
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Right, some fantastic posts here, so.
Nick’s review of Ghost Toast is what attracted me to the band, and it really is an album for our times. Exceptional music and an exceptional review from Nick which got me there. As for PSA, I absolutely get why people like it. I like commercial prog, and should perhaps put some quotes in on that description, but I like, more than anything else, something different, something new. Scott referred to AOR, which is a very wide ranging description of music, and I love a lot of stuff which is disparaged by “purists”, but I do want it to be original, and that was my issue with PSA. It wasn’t. I must also admit to becoming very sceptical of recent TFK, Transatlantic, and Beard stuff because there is nothing excitingly new there. I crave something which takes me somewhere else, and on that basis Ghost Toast this week wins hands down. I might add, BTW, that my review this forthcoming weekend of Lighthouse Sparrows album will be equally praising. It is a wonderfully original album.
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rushfan4 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 22 2007 Location: Michigan, U.S. Status: Offline Points: 66789 |
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I love PSA...but they may be too AOR-ish for many PAers, but that hits my sweet spot.
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Jared ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 06 2005 Location: Hereford, UK Status: Offline Points: 20749 |
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^^ Oh dear Steve... so you won't be buying a PSA Tour T-shirt anytime soon, then??
![]() I have a soft spot for both SB and Transatlantic, a little more hit and miss with TFK (The likes of FlowerPower bored me sh*tless back in the day) but I've not really tried PSA yet beyond a few Yt clips. I think they've just been pushed further to the back of the queue now!
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nick_h_nz ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Prog Metal / Heavy Prog Team Joined: March 01 2013 Location: Suffolk, UK Status: Offline Points: 6742 |
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I love Ghost Toast, so went straight to your site to read the review, and found quite a surprise waiting for me! 😱 It is definitely worth seeking out at the very least, the album prior, as the two are designed to be part of one theme. Because I think it is an album that is very in tune with the times, it is one that I think a lot of people might enjoy, so please excuse me while I link to Steve’s review, and the Bandcamp page: (And for anyone who might care, my own reviews for the diptych. |
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lazland ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 28 2008 Location: Wales Status: Offline Points: 13880 |
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Updated with new album reviews of Ghost Toast and Pattern Seeking Animals. Simply go to Album Review 2022 Page and click on the links.
New Gigs Section added to Beer & News Page and News of Fusion Festival 2023 lineup added.
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Jared ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 06 2005 Location: Hereford, UK Status: Offline Points: 20749 |
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^^ they are also threatening to unveil a big name for the Sunday night, too...
yes, I remember you saying about your caring duties, but I thought you may have some proggy friends in South Wales. Notwithstanding, it's great if you can get away for the occasional weekend; we all need/ deserve a break.
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lazland ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 28 2008 Location: Wales Status: Offline Points: 13880 |
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Hey Jared. Yes, I will post this in my next update (hopefully in the next couple of days). It looks a fantastic lineup and a bargain for £99. I will have a think about doing this myself. We have caring issues, but my wife is doing a weekend Reiki course with a friend in June whilst I stay at home, so there is credit in the bank for Mr Laz!
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https://www.facebook.com/fusionmusicfestivals
Steve, if you're interested in getting the word out, it looks like IQ are headlining the Saturday night of Stourport's Fusion next March...
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lazland ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 28 2008 Location: Wales Status: Offline Points: 13880 |
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I will have a think about resubmitting Winter In Eden. Finding the time is the thing for me at the moment.
Anyhow, I have made a change to the site by replacing “Top Ten Albums of the Year” with “Album Reviews by Year”. If you go to that page, you will see the explanation, and I have added the first tranche of 2012 reviews - there are still a fair few to go. Ale of the week added to the usual place. Video of the week on the homepage is a version of Gabriel’s Biko, and the best one I have seen at that.
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nick_h_nz ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Prog Metal / Heavy Prog Team Joined: March 01 2013 Location: Suffolk, UK Status: Offline Points: 6742 |
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^ Maybe it is time they were resubmitted? There is an entirely new prog metal team now, and we have already reevaluated some previous rejections (and have a couple more on our plate at the moment). A previous rejection certainly doesn’t mean it is impossible for a band to enter PA. It just makes it a lot harder, as it required unanimous approval, rather than majority. (This, to me, is a very stupid rule, if the teams have entirely changed, and/or if a band has released further albums or eps since the rejection. It is a handicap that isn’t fair, in my opinion, and I would much rather see resubmissions be on an even playing field as new submissions.)
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lazland ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 28 2008 Location: Wales Status: Offline Points: 13880 |
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Hi there David. Really nice to hear from you, and thanks very much re the kind comments on the site. I think Winter In Eden should be here, and I read the thread you placed a link to just now. Once Ivan got involved, and especially if he got involved with blue and red typo, then that was that, really. That thread really does sum up why I went off to set up my own site, and I should have done it ages ago. In my case, the final example was D’Virgilio, Morse, & Jennings, three pretty famous people in the world of prog, who every single prog music outlet in the world had reviewed, excepting Prog Archives. I think a lot of people who visit PA looking for new music would love Winter In Eden. I also think a lot would love Moon Halo, who are inexplicably not on the site, and from a PM I know were discussed but not deemed progressive enough. Anyhow, it is what it is.
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yam yam ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover Team Joined: June 16 2011 Location: Kerberos Status: Offline Points: 7656 |
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Haven't logged in to PA for about nine months, but saw this thread and had a read through it. With regard to Winter In Eden:
I remember this band's flirtation with PA very well. They were suggested in June 2011, after the release of their debut album 'Awakening', and some quite lively discussion followed, eventually resulting in an evaluation by the Prog Metal team in August 2014 (based on their first three albums). They were unanimously rejected in pretty quick time in the end though, which was pretty much as expected if you read the comments posted by the various collabs who contributed to the thread. Haven't listened to their latest album yet, but will do so tomorrow. Great website you have there Steve btw. I'll be looking into a few more of your recommendations over the coming days.
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lazland ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 28 2008 Location: Wales Status: Offline Points: 13880 |
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Thanks JD. It is a sumptuous version of a true classic.
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Holy Moly Man ! What an excellent and topical interpretation of a classic Gabriel tune. My eyes were watering. Steve, Sundays aren't supposed to be so emotional. Nice addition to your site.
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lazland ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 28 2008 Location: Wales Status: Offline Points: 13880 |
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Thank you, Chaps.
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Thanks for the video Steve, I have re-posted it.
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lazland ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 28 2008 Location: Wales Status: Offline Points: 13880 |
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Please do take a look at Red Rain Ukraine, a video I have posted on the Ukraine section of Beer & News Page on the website. It is absolutely astonishing and deserves a very wide audience. If you are on social media, please share the YouTube link far and wide.
In addition, new reviews of albums by Kaprekar’s Constant and Deaton LeMay Project on Album Reviews 2022 page. Also, a restaurant review on the section in Beer & News Page.
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