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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 38368 |
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Many thanks, Mila and Christian.
I was pretty sure on two thirds of my fourth option (most knew that I wanted the one from Japan), but I think I will settle on the three from that. I think they work well as my trio. Edited by Logan - September 05 2022 at 19:07 |
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Lewian ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 09 2015 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 15385 |
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@Greg: Just for decision support: I'd probably find the fourth group most interesting, that's the one you're leaning towards anyway. They sound all good and I hadn't known any of them before. The first one has Portishead head & shoulders above the others. The second one is very good but I know 2/3. Of the third trio I know Massive Attack's track and have never been so keen on Stereolab, the third track is nice. @Lorenzo: I think I prefer the first trio. The Conte song in the second one is fantastic, probably I like it even more than the one in the first trio, but the first trio has three that I'd like to revisit whereas the other two in the second trio didn't convince me. @Gary: Big fun listening through these... all three of your 80s songs are also part of my musical upbringing and I liked them a lot at the time. Overall I prefer your first trio. I love Lotta Love by Neil Young and it's very nice to have this with another voice and arrangement for once.
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Mila-13 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 02 2021 Location: Switzerland Status: Offline Points: 1555 |
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I'm just back from my business trip and I haven't really had a chance to listen to all suggested tracks nor read all the comments. I will try to catch up in the next few days and will comment on the nominated trios once the poll is put up.
Greg, I always find your Japanese suggestions exciting and I'm glad to see the Shibusashirazu Orchestra on your shortlist! The Korean track is stylistically quite different and beautiful in its own way. But if I had to choose between the two tracks, I too would go for the former. I have meanwhile replaced my first suggestion, the German new wave band Ideal by the Swiss Young Gods. You can find all my suggestions in my first post on page 1. :) Edited by Mila-13 - September 05 2022 at 15:05 |
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 38368 |
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^^ Thanks very much, Lorenzo, for your music commentary.
-------------------------------------- ^^ Thanks, Gary, for that. --------------------------------------- While very few of us of the few that participated have mentioned more than one trio (I have done four and would have liked to do ten more), I would like to remind people to try to get up their final nominations by tomorrow. I plan to put the poll up on Tuesday. So also time to get some up for people who have not joined in. You can be pretty loose with the expectations other than there should be three tracks, and those tracks should come from different decades. If you need to narrow it down, maybe think up a sub-theme of your own, such as the evolution of arena rock, or New Zealand music, or whatever. ------------------------------------------- I'm not sure what my final three will be. I'm leaning towards 1. Shibusashirazu Orchestra - Akkan (from Shibuboshi 2004) 2. Jenny Hval - The Great Undressing (off Blood Bitch 2017) 3. The Smile - Pana-vision (from A Light for Attracting Attention 2022) Not because those are particular favourites, but with the jazzy first one it gives some variety. I've covered Portishead quite a lot at PA. and that Lingua Ignota (which I find extremely good) was covered in another poll of mine not long ago (Lingua Ignota was brought to me attention by Saperlipopette mostly for a later album). Plus it has f.u (not Francis Urquhart, doubt anyone in this topic will get that reference) in a way that could be found offensive, and not good if one is playing it around kids, at the mosque or wherever. I am tempted to an Anna von Hausswolff for the 2010s too. I think Dead Magic is such a fantastic album, kind of surprised that it only rates at number 88 in PA for that year, at RYM for all genres it rates much higher for the year, at number 12 for 2018 and very little reviewed despite it scoring very high on the Collab list for the year. One review gave it a four even though the review indicates 5. I'll have to review it. |
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EDIT: Gary, I listened to your first mentioned trio and definitely each one feels very much of its time (easy to connect the style and sound with the period). Enjoyable, I liked the 60s one the most. In the end, I guess., consider going for the trio of yours to nominate that you like best/ find most interesting. Be it sounding very much of its time or having more timeless qualities (provided one can link it sufficiently with the era/decade beyond when it was made.
****************************** I think the first trio probably works best! Those are some stark contrasts going from one decade to another. If I had then ventured into the 90s, I probably would have used Soundgarden’s “Outshined” or Temple of the Dog “Hunger Strike”. Soundgarden - Outshined Temple of the Dog - Hunger Strike Sloppy grunge struck a chord, because it had more heart in its angst-laden lyrics and a twisted complexity that was antithetical to the precision picking of the neo-classical shredders of the mid-1980s. Moving into the 2000s, it would probably be Eve6 “On the Roof Again” or Oleander “Are You There?” (or possibly Placebo). Eve6 - On the Roof Again Oleander - Are You There? Post-punk had somehow morphed from grunge. It now had taken on a higher energy tempo but with a vulgar edge. If you then go back and compare those last ones to Lotta Love by Nicolette Larson from the 1970s, you’d think you’d walked from the set of the Love Boat onto that of Blade Runner. Very different from one decade to another. As for me, I suppose I miss the music of the 1970s and 1980s. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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@Logan Claude Lombard - song dominated by the female voice and high-pitched keyboard sounds. Sinuous and languid. Cocteau Twins - power-pop song with a percussion sound that I just don't like, it's a pity because the melodic vocal intertwining is interesting. Portished - high-class pop song, as is often the case in Portished. Here too there are some questionable, bulky percussions, but they are deliberately bulky, they make a clear contribution to the sound. It is my favorite song, especially in the second part when the singing takes off and the electric guitar arrives to fill the space invaded by percussions. In all three songs, the part I like the most is the vocals. @suitkees Nena - song with tribal percussion and almost shouted vocals. The best part is the bass line. I play very Eighties. Indochine - gothic song with a riff that resembles some of my dear Missions, but the singing is very melodic. Pretty song Kaboom Caravan - experimental beginnings with cavernous sounds that would have been suitable for an Addams family movie. The song proceeds to improve, almost reaching a sort of climax before the final fade. Sound dissonant, refined, perhaps a little academic but effective. I really like it. My favourite. |
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@Logan Claude Lombard - song dominated by the female voice and high-pitched keyboard sounds. Sinuous and languid. Cocteau Twins - power-pop song with a percussion sound that I just don't like, it's a pity because the melodic vocal intertwining is interesting. Portished - high-class pop song, as is often the case in Portished. Here too there are some questionable, bulky percussions, but they are deliberately bulky, they make a clear contribution to the sound. It is my favorite song, especially in the second part when the singing takes off and the electric guitar arrives to fill the space invaded by percussions. In all three songs, the part I like the most is the vocals.
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^ Actually, Nickie is paying me when she's not around to do some write-ups (one gold bar per comment, though I'm still waiting the first shipment...). And remember, it's not an obligation (unless Nickie pays you).
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Lewian ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 09 2015 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 15385 |
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Thanks Kees for the comments! I like a lot reading these; unfortunately I'm not such a big writer and all the stuff that is going on this summer (and more things to listen to, which in itself is a good thing) will unfortunately mean that I won't write much on the proposals. Listening-wise I'm at it!
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suitkees ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 19 2020 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 9050 |
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Hehe, my brain must have been in the fridge at that moment; at least it didn't give the right signals to my typing fingers. But I was referring to the Dawda Jobarthe & Stefan Pasborg track, so the comment is the right one (I was even asking myself if I could use the word "songwriting" for an instrumental track. I did use it, so I can...). I'll correct the name in the post. Just listened to the Young Gods. Energetic too. And an interesting listen. I'm maybe not completely convinced by the drum/heavy guitar parts (that sound more punk than industrial to me), especially in the first part of the song, but as a whole the track is really nice. I like how they use the effects.
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The Warrior and Rust choices, besides being of those times, were colored by nostalgia. Not sure how I would feel if I were to listen for the first time now. Warrior brings back fond memories of hanging out with my college roommate and playing music much too loud as to bother our neighbors, and Rust for seeing a band that I had seen several times almost make it. I agree that there is a lot out their in that stoner/psychedelic/space jam vein of music. Mantra Machine hit that right groove for me with their first full length that I got this track. Their second album didn't really do it for me.
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Hey Greg, thanks for your feedback. I've floating in out of PA, mostly voting in polls, so I haven't had a chance to reply. I did go through my personal recollection of the decades, and I am glad enjoyed reading it. I hope to have some time to really read through your posts and others this weekend.
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Thanks for your comments, always appreciated! Though I hope that Stephen Fellows is not your favourite of mine, because that's actually one of Christian's choices. :P There's another 'Stephen', the duo Stefan Pasborg/Dawda Jobarthe is one of my suggestions. The German new wave band has been replaced the other day by an industrial rock band. I guess the playlist will be updated once everybody has made their final choice. Edited by Mila-13 - September 02 2022 at 19:35 |
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suitkees ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 19 2020 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 9050 |
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^ Thank you, Greg. For me too, this is the part of exchanging about music that I appreciate very much. I enjoy commenting on what I listen to, if I have time (and add some odd twists and/or being very explicit in what I like or don't like...). These polls have made me discover much great music. (actually, I sometimes try to compete with your very bad sense of humor, but your word-plays are much more sophisticated than mine ...
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 38368 |
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^ Excellent, Kees. Thanks so much for preparing that. Reading a post like yours there actually is my favourite part of this whole exercise, and I always really enjoy reading your impressions (as well as hearing what you bring to the table).
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suitkees ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 19 2020 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 9050 |
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Listened to the first batch, from page 1: suitkees: Oh, no, not Nena again! Yes, well, sure... Actually, I don't remember if I was really in love with her, but I better should have had a poster of hers above my bed. Instead I think I had Mendeleev's Periodical Table of Elements scotched above my bed... ![]() Christian: With Shudder we are more on the punky, indy, grungy side of things. It's OK, but doesn't conquer me. Kante, on the contrary is much more captivating. Relaxed in a sense, not necessarily much diversity, but enchanting at the same time; subdued in the good way. The Comsat Angels are with the Cocteau Twins for me: always liked what I heard, but never explored. This track by Stephen Fellows is really a great listen. My preferred of your selection. Jaketas: Ah, this is 60s surfing. Nice to hear these "other Beach Boys". With Nicolette Larson we get a typical 70s singer/songwriter's pop song. Not exceptional, but her singing is great! Followed by this synthy disco-pop tune by Trans X. Yes, typical 80s. Probably what I hated the most at that time - still not a fan. Mila: Ideal with their Blue Eyes; yes, a rather typical new wave product. Didn't know them (or don't remember them) and they wouldn't have been much in my scope back then. It's nice to hear, but I'm much more captivated by Dawda Jobarthe & Stefan Pasborg's track - this is really great musicianship and songwriting that I like. Energetic! I've heard of Johanna Burnheart, but here again: I never explored her music. Nice vocalizations and work on the rythmic structure and the electronics with that jazzy stance that sets in. Again a wonderful track. George: Warrior, haha. I haven't heard this since the 80s. A friend of mine had one or more of their albums and that's how I discovered them. Yes, the typical hard rock (or power metal, if you wish) that I liked to hear every once in while but wasn't on top of my listening preferences. Not then, not now. Great to hear, though. Yes, Rust is a good example of the Indie/Alt rock of the 90s. I must have heard them, but it is not what captivated me that much. It's OK, but Not necessarily for Today. I'm surprising myself that I actually very much like the Mantra Machine track. This is part of the genres that I generally do not explore (there's too much and not much to my liking, as far as I can guess...), but of the three you propose here it is the one that captivates me most - it's got some of those Hawkind aspects that I like. [Edit, and added:] Lorenzo: Ah, Lorenzo is back, so we have good music again ;) La Crus, yes very atmospheric. I love this sound carpet with the trumped added to it. Great track. I also always loved Paolo Conte, that is: to hear it every once in a while. He's not changing very much his "thing" here, but it remains very enjoyable to listen to. For Guccini I have similar comments concerning his "thing", but again here a great listen. Still, La Crus' Lontano is the stand-out track for me of this selection. To be continued (if possible)... Edited by suitkees - September 03 2022 at 02:33 |
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Yes, now I see. I remember that Micky was the one to suggest to follow the idea of the theme, but this discussion came after you opened your first interactive poll, "This sounds Greek to me" |
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 38368 |
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A very interesting discussion, and can't think of much interesting to add that hasn't been said (also dang tired).
But not too tired to think of three more. The one from 2022 is a very new discovery to me. So much great to me music, almost too much... This should be my final trio perhaps, and I might mix and match between the ones I have done to come up with my final three tracks. In the 2000s the contemporary, post 90s, exciting jazz revival was in full swing jazz with big band jazz (shwing!) with improv and brutal dissonant qualities from Japan. Japan was such a force to be reckoned with at the time when it comes to jazz meets a kind of brutal busy and big prog (in the 90s too, but I think it really cherry blossomed in the 2000s. 2000s Shibusashirazu Orchestra - Akkan (from Shibuboshi 2004) 2010s: The 2010s, like various past decades, speaks Neo-Psych, Indietronica and art pop music. What seals this as significantly timely to me is the origin, Korea (south Kora specifically). South Korea (not North Korea) became a juggernaut in entertainment arts (and pretty successful with cars too and electronics). Korea had massive success in term of exporting music, tv and film. It was already popular in other east Asian countries before that (and in terms of what my wife watched, it was mostly Korean dramas), and I already love Koreans film (two directors primarily), but how successful Korean arts are abroad in the 2010s has been remarkable, BTS, the Squid Game, Korean BBQ.... And I love kimchi. Mid-Air Thief - Crumbling Together (off Crumbling 2018) 2020s: The 2020s saw the rise of this decade's Post-Radiohead-like music (if "2020s Pretty Post-Radiohead-like" isn't a genre label yet then it should be), sometimes fused with music like Can, electronica and other things,. The Smile - Pana-vision (from A Light for Attracting Attention 2022) |
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^ I concur... Too tired to elaborate, but those last ten posts or so were a good read, with which I mostly agree, and an interesting take on these IA-polls.
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