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mathman0806 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 06 2014 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 6848 |
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Doesn't seem too busy around so this might fizzle out, but let's give it a try.
The theme is Then and Now. Pick a year and a tune you loved back then when it came out. Then pick another tune from the same year that you learned about later on that you love. It's an opportunity to compare how your tastes may have changed or maybe you just know more now. Lesser known prog (50 or fewer ratings) are fine. For voting, the tunes do not need to be paired up. But paired for final nomination. Another rule is that the year should be at leat 10 years old. Each post should give one year and two tunes from that year. Nominate as much as you like. This was just a thought that popped in my head, so I don't have a suggestion yet. Have fun! Playlist of all videos: Playlist of the nominated tracks (thanks Mila!): Edited by mathman0806 - March 19 2023 at 20:03 |
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Cristi ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Offline Points: 46488 |
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That's a great idea for a poll.
I'll think of something and get back to this.
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Online Points: 38372 |
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Excellent idea for a poll.
![]() I don't know when I'd be able to vote because there is an family issue to contend with, but... In 2004 (thought it was earlier actually) I regularly was using a site called Atom Films which had videos of all sorts, and it's there that I discovered the music video for Air's Cherry Blossom Girl. I soon grew to love Air, and I still do. I expect that I would have liked this El3ctrelane at the time too had I known it back then instead of much more recently. Then: 2004's Air - Cherry Blossom Girl Now: 2004's Electrelane - Oh Sombra! Edited by Logan - February 14 2023 at 16:47 |
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Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I observed before. It can be much like that with music for me; immersed in experiencing the moment.
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Lewian ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 09 2015 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 15394 |
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Aye! Will come up with something!
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bardberic ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 02 2021 Location: PA, USA/Israel Status: Offline Points: 908 |
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To the guy above me, I vote Oh Sambra! I'm a bit too young to make a suggestion for this lol I'm 25 y/o and didn't really start listening to music until 2009, nor modern music until 2012, nor prog until 2017. This is a really cool concept nonetheless.
But 2012 was over ten years ago, and you never specified this has be prog :) Nevertheless: 2012 (discovery): Stone Sour - House of God and Bones Pt. 1 (14 y/o bardberic was cool for listening to this :p) 2012 (retrospective - 2019 first listen): Om - Advaitic Songs Edit: Since I turned like 17 y/o or so I always thought Corey Taylor has been an embodiment of cringe, but oh god this video has me wincing...
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suitkees ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 19 2020 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 9050 |
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Nice! And another occasion to bring Nena forward. ![]() I Have to think about it and will try to come up with something soon (but that might be days...). |
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suitkees ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 19 2020 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 9050 |
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So, I already found something... No Nena, though (yet). The year is 1995, and my selection is maybe a kind of an illustration of my change in music listening habits. They are both on PA, though. I was still very much into symphonic rock and neo prog, but not really enchanted by the evolution prog was undergoing in that period of time (and I don't remember the word "prog" was actually already in use... I don't think so): it was moving towards heavy prog and prog metal, especially in the prog magazine I received (sym info, later SI Magazine and then IO Pages, I think). I liked some of it, but didn't like most of it, so I started turning away a bit from prog. It is in that period that I started to explore more of jazz rock (Frank Zappa!), contemporary classical music, and more avant-garde and experimental music. So, because they were from my university town, and because I saw them live once (and it was a decent concert, indeed), maybe even a year before the release of their first and only album, I propose you a Dutch neo prog highlight: Light - Elephants on Tightrope: And next a band (group, ensemle?) of which I heard the name back in the 90s (but I rather associated it with punk, silly me), but only started exploring their music in the mid noughties. More than a decade later, thus. I have presented them before in the IA polls and I still don't consider their music to be prog rock, but progressive they are. And they make wonderful music... Die anarchistische Abendunterhaltung - Ve Driesl*g.telsel: Edit: Oh yes, of course... that damned Anglo-Saxon censorship machine attacks again... Imagine an "a" instead of the * and an "s" instead of the dot... and then try to pronounce it out loud. ![]() Edited by suitkees - February 15 2023 at 10:59 |
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Lewian ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 09 2015 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 15394 |
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Here's something that I fell in love with straight away when I heard it (can't remember whether it was 1984 when it came out or early 1985 but anyway). I liked a lot of stuff by Level 42 at the time and they were great live, but these days this is the only track I still feel like playing regularly Kansas City Milkman On the other hand, I have become a proper fan of Asmus Tietchens, even though I hadn't heard his 1984 album until quite recently. He is on PA by the way. Whether he belongs here is another matter. Hydrophonie 1 Edited by Lewian - February 15 2023 at 15:06 |
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Online Points: 38372 |
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In all cases I do prefer the later discovery. That may say something about my more matured tastes preferring others more matured tastes -- even if I may taste mostly like overmature moldy cheese.
This I had decided against being in competition, and I did add this to my most recent poll, but I had considered adding these originally. I had decided not to because I remembered prominently proposing the Eels discovery (back in 2006) first. I think I nominated it. I had mentioned Cherry Blossom Girl in an earlier Interactive Poll too. Then in 1996: Eels - Beautiful Freak Now from 1996: Fishmans - Long Season Part 5 Edited by Logan - February 15 2023 at 15:38 |
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Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I observed before. It can be much like that with music for me; immersed in experiencing the moment.
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mathman0806 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 06 2014 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 6848 |
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Nice to see some of the usuals here and Cristi! Looking forward to your choices.
@bardberic, Welcome! I don't think I have see at one of these Interactive Polls before. I am glad you were able to make the age cut-off. ![]() I didn't people to say something like I heard this last year but just last week I heard this. You definitely got the right spirit with your selections. We do encourage non- or lesser-known prog because we have the rest of the forum for the popular stuff. I was originally thinking 20 years. But it is nice to draw in younger participants and perspectives. @logan (Greg), I took some inspiration from your recent polls for this one when you paired up years. I then wanted to use that and come up with something personal for the participants. Love the Eels. Electro-Shock Blues still holds a high place among favorite all-time albums for me. And I really like the Fishmans. Will have to respond to your 1996 poll. @suitkees, I did think you might put up Nene when I came up with this poll so you'll need to follow through. ![]() Edited by mathman0806 - February 15 2023 at 18:28 |
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mathman0806 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 06 2014 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 6848 |
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1997 with grungy Britpop sounding like the Smashing Pumpkins. I still listen to power pop and catchy rock but not as much as I used to. This one really caught my ear back then.
Feeder - Cement I have played another track from this album City of Light in another poll (samsara). I had been a fan of Bill Laswell's work as a musician and producer before 1997 but he is just prolific and it's easy to miss his work. I didn't come across this until a few years ago. The album is a collaboration of 4 tracks where he writes and plays on the 1st and 4th. The 2nd track is by Coil and the 3rd by Japanese ambient artist Tetsu Inoue. The lyrics and spoken word on all 4 tracks are by singer/songwriter Lori Carson, who played with Laswell in the Golden Paliminos. This is the first track with tabla played by Trilok Gurtu. Bill Laswell - Nothing |
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mathman0806 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 06 2014 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 6848 |
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Also, I am not setting any time limits for now. I want to give a chance for people who check in on the forums every now and then. So no rush for suggestions. I want enough time for people to come up with ideas and listen to others. Anyone new or old are welcome. If you are not familiar with these Interactive Polls, I'll try to find a good link and put in the first post when I have a chance.
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Online Points: 38372 |
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I really like your approach, and thanks for responding to my poll. As my 1996 poll partially was inspired by thinking up options for this poll (that Eels one quickly came to me). It wasn't that easy choosing pairings, although I thought it would be very easy due to various polls I have made quite recently. Finding ones that I am into now from the past 40 plus years is easy (the 1980s would be a fair starting point for my sufficiently sentient and musically aware life_ but choosing ones that I was confident that I knew and liked (I wanted it to be about music I really liked/ was special to me) in that year and pairing it with another was harder. Had Laurie Anderson and Kate Bush had less ratings, then it would have been easier. Most of my life and with most music my tastes have been behind the times. And as I write this I remember many more, mostly from the late 80s and 90s, such as the classic Opus III - It's a Fine Day from 1992, but the I would want to pair it up with something that currently excites me and 1992 is not a particular fave year as I recall.... It's fun to talk a walk through memory lane, and it requires some researching. ^ Seeing 1997, now that is one of my very favourite years in music. I like the Indian motifs of that Bill Laswell track. A very interesting and diverse combo. I like that both are as different as they are. |
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suitkees ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 19 2020 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 9050 |
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Ha... OK! So, upon - very - popular demand: here she is... ![]() 1983 is the year. I wasn't very much into cinema yet; I was too young for that. But I was very much into Nena (was I?), although I actually was too young for that too, maybe... I already gave away the better tracks of her 1983 self titled album in earlier polls, but here you go, with a very silly 80s clip, that makes an abuse of the slow motion in the wrong places. Fortunately, there is the voice of Nena! Nena - Kino: (English translation of the lyrics here) Also 1983, but I think I discovered The Durutti Column in 2009 when researching for an article I was writing on documentaries made during and about the Spanish Civil War and I was misspelling the name of Durruti while searching on the Internet (yes, the band name is actually a misspelling!). But I liked the music that I stumbled upon very much. So, this is from the 1983 album Amigos em Portugal... The Durutti Column - Estoril a noite: Edited by suitkees - February 16 2023 at 15:54 |
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Lewian ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 09 2015 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 15394 |
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Nena's guitarist with black hairs is Carlo Karges who had earlier been in Novalis by the way.
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bardberic ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 02 2021 Location: PA, USA/Israel Status: Offline Points: 908 |
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Funnily enough I prefer almost everyone's second song to their first. Almost everyone's lmao. Especially the 90s stuff. Good riddance to grunge, bripop, and the like!
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jamesbaldwin ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: September 25 2015 Location: Milano Status: Offline Points: 6052 |
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Thanks, George! I was absent from progarchives for two weeks (which I had never done before) convinced that no one would open a new interactive poll.... Let me know next time! Send me a private message! |
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Mila-13 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 02 2021 Location: Switzerland Status: Offline Points: 1555 |
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My first proposal is a
track by Belgian jazz rock band Dans Dans. I'm not quite sure if they have already
appeared in one of the previous polls, though.
Dans Dans : Au hasard The second piece is by
Nicole Mitchell and her Black Earth Ensemble. Mitchell is a flutist and composer who emerged from the Chicago avant-garde scene. Nicole Mitchells Black Earth Ensemble: Meadow Sunlight in the Swinging Fields I will explain a little
later why I chose these two acts in particular. I'm a little late, so for
now I just want to share this music with you. I'll be back soon! Edited by Mila-13 - February 22 2023 at 02:37 |
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jamesbaldwin ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: September 25 2015 Location: Milano Status: Offline Points: 6052 |
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I've never been a fan of British pop. In Italy Oasis had great success with their second album, which I listened to a lot (it contains some very good songs, although very epigonic, but I never liked the production, that oversaturated and bombastic wall-of-sound). Blur and Suede had less success, and I didnt like them. But then came Blur's "Blur", which I liked a lot: while Oasis were repeating themselves and becoming more and more pompous, Blur became a real rock band. I consider "Blur" a little masterpiece. In 1999 Blur published their most experimental album, "13", produced by Orbit. I had high expectations, which were partly fulfilled and partly disappointed: the album contains very good insights but is heterogeneous and confusing. It is an interesting album, but less beautiful than its predecessor. Anyway, they were brave artists. (Then, unfortunately, Blur didn't do anything good anymore) The fact is that I present to you one of the most experimental compositions from that album: Caramel. In 1999, I still did not know Cristina Donā, one of the best Italian singer-songwriters between the 1990s and 2000s. Beautiful voice. And beautiful her, too! Wonderful woman, to fall in love with! I discovered her second album "Nido" several years later, and I present to you the song featuring Robert Wyatt on trumpet: "Goccia". Not exactly my favourite genre of music, but I'm crazy about that woman, and she sings sublimely.... it's an atmospheric song, basically a refined pop-song, almost an art-pop. My selection: 1) Blur: Caramel (taken from "13") 2) Cristina Donā (feat. Robert Wyatt): Goccia (taken from: "Nido") Edited by jamesbaldwin - February 22 2023 at 11:31 |
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mathman0806 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 06 2014 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 6848 |
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@bardberic, hehe...I still listen to small doses of Brit pop and grunge every now and then. Nostalgia and all that. Saw a lot of the big grunge acts live in the 90s... Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains
Didn't have a chance to see Nirvana though. @lorenzo, good to see you come back and find this! I will be sure to PM you the next time. @mila, also good to see you drop in. I will accept the close enough in years. It's in the right spirit of things and I admit I have had that issue with getting years to line up. Glad to see some activity. I've been away from PA for a few days. I will start putting together a ongoing playlist over the weekend. |
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