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^ No but it includes me thinking a young Henry Rollins might react that way, and saying such.  I'm sorry that bothers you.  

As for why I think it, I mentioned it's because of his political views... not to mention a crass version of his best known song.  Yeah, you could say Henry might be a little peeved.





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^ What difference does it make--  freedom of expression includes many things, doesn't it.
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I also happen to think Henry Rollins would want to break the guys nose... or at least the young Rollins.   

Why? I fail to see why Rollins would want to do that to this guy specifically.
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Originally posted by Stressed Cheese Stressed Cheese wrote:

Originally posted by Neu!mann Neu!mann wrote:

but might be considered offensive in the oversensitive, insecure 21st century.
I don't know why some people are so desperate to believe this. I know it might not be as apparent if you're over a certain age and primarily listen to (old) prog, but a lot of (mainstream) music (pop, rap, hip-hop, etc., but also rock) these days is much more daring and explicit than Ladies of the Road. Outside of the suggestive school-reporter mention, it probably doesn't even scratch the top of the most incorrect lyrics of its era, let alone outside of it. 

OP here....I appreciate any and all contributions!  Personally, I would not have considered Ladies of the Road, but am glad for the suggestion! 

Regarding rap/hip-hop, the violent messages conveyed (killing police, abuse of women etc.) makes that some of the most repellent music.  I dig the rhythms, but don't find much of value in it for listening.  

In retrospect, prog is probably the least offensive genre!  
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Originally posted by Neu!mann Neu!mann wrote:

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the King Crimson classic Ladies of the Road yet...a song about groupies and sex that was just good fun in the early 1970s, but might be considered offensive in the oversensitive, insecure 21st century.

Maybe but you hear a lot worse in lyrics today but they have to have a parental advisory sticker on them. 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

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You don't see how attributing one quality to a whole group of people based on race could be seen as racist? What if he said "sneaky black people?" Or "angry white people?" I don't think he meant in that way in the context of the song but I can see how it could be interpreted that way. Oh well, we all see things differently. That's what makes the world go around.

Yes, we all see things differently, but understanding context is the essential thing here, isn't it? 

Yes, context but not everyone gets that. If I called you a jerk without knowing you that would be different if I called you a jerk if I knew you for years and you knew my sense of humor. An outsider might not see that. 
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Originally posted by Neu!mann Neu!mann wrote:

but might be considered offensive in the oversensitive, insecure 21st century.
I don't know why some people are so desperate to believe this. I know it might not be as apparent if you're over a certain age and primarily listen to (old) prog, but a lot of (mainstream) music (pop, rap, hip-hop, etc., but also rock) these days is much more daring and explicit than Ladies of the Road. Outside of the suggestive school-reporter mention, it probably doesn't even scratch the top of the most incorrect lyrics of its era, let alone outside of it. 
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned the King Crimson classic Ladies of the Road yet...a song about groupies and sex that was just good fun in the early 1970s, but might be considered offensive in the oversensitive, insecure 21st century.
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Originally posted by Stressed Cheese Stressed Cheese wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ He means that political correctness (or in other words: woke ideology) is changing the way we speak and think in many ways that are not aligned with actual science or even common sense, pervading our education systems, undoing much of the progress we've had since the enlightenment. These days people are taught to support "the current thing" rather than think for themselves, and to attack people who do not think alike. Just like Atavachron was name-calling the creator of the Biden video that I posted.
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:


You don't see how attributing one quality to a whole group of people based on race could be seen as racist? What if he said "sneaky black people?" Or "angry white people?" I don't think he meant in that way in the context of the song but I can see how it could be interpreted that way. Oh well, we all see things differently. That's what makes the world go around.

Yes, we all see things differently, but understanding context is the essential thing here, isn't it? 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Pink Floyd - Not Now John and parts of the Wall album
Genesis - Illegal Alien 

Illegal Alien was meant to be funny but it's just done in poor taste. 

"Pink Floyd - Not Now John and parts of the Wall album" - I don't see what's so wrong with The Wall and TFC (Not Now John).  


Well, on "Not Now John" there's the F word but also the line about the "wiley Japanese" which could maybe be considered racist (not sure about the rest of the album). As far as the wall album goes look up the second part of the lyrics to "In The Flesh" and you'll see what I mean. Definitely politically incorrect. Wink

So the use of the "f word" is politically incorrect? 
What's racist about "wiley Japanese"? 

The Wall is the story of a man having a nervous breakdown. I don't see what offensive here. Confused

Maybe not politically incorrect but at the time the radio replaced the word with "stop" as in "stop all that.." instead of "f**k all that." 

You don't see how attributing one quality to a whole group of people based on race could be seen as racist? What if he said "sneaky black people?" Or "angry white people?" I don't think he meant in that way in the context of the song but I can see how it could be interpreted that way. Oh well, we all see things differently. That's what makes the world go around.


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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

So the use of the "f word" is politically incorrect?
 
I don't think so. Indeed, I don't think it will be long before it is no longer considered a swear word.
 
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:


I never much cared for "Fat Bottommed Girls" as a song or topic anyway.  Give me "Ogre Battle" or "Now I'm Here." 


Fat-shaming is not nice. But when the “sensitivity training” then leads to health-shaming, it can arguably be worse.
I can agree with that. But, there's no shaming in that song. It's more like a (horny) "Whole Lotta Rosie"-kind of tribute. As a song (and lyricwise) I find it pretty disposable too, but it's certainly a healthier and more positive "message" than the skinny teens seemingly most 1970's rockstars were into at the time.

Sure! Fat-bottomed Girls is just a fun song, Queen were not trying to "shame" anything. I was talking about the sensitivity training.
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Pink Floyd - Not Now John and parts of the Wall album
Genesis - Illegal Alien 

Illegal Alien was meant to be funny but it's just done in poor taste. 

"Pink Floyd - Not Now John and parts of the Wall album" - I don't see what's so wrong with The Wall and TFC (Not Now John).  


Well, on "Not Now John" there's the F word but also the line about the "wiley Japanese" which could maybe be considered racist (not sure about the rest of the album). As far as the wall album goes look up the second part of the lyrics to "In The Flesh" and you'll see what I mean. Definitely politically incorrect. Wink

So the use of the "f word" is politically incorrect? 
What's racist about "wiley Japanese"? 

The Wall is the story of a man having a nervous breakdown. I don't see what offensive here. Confused
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Pink Floyd - Not Now John and parts of the Wall album
Genesis - Illegal Alien 


Illegal Alien was meant to be funny but it's just done in poor taste. 

"Pink Floyd - Not Now John and parts of the Wall album" - I don't see what's so wrong with The Wall and TFC (Not Now John).  



Well, on "Not Now John" there's the F word but also the line about the "wiley Japanese" which could maybe be considered racist (not sure about the rest of the album). As far as the wall album goes look up the second part of the lyrics to "In The Flesh" and you'll see what I mean. Definitely politically incorrect. Wink
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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by Stressed Cheese Stressed Cheese wrote:

Fat Bottomed Girls isn't politically incorrect, it just might not be the most suitable for a kids' platform. 

I would disagree....I'm a certified US public school teacher (grades 6 through 12), and we go through all sorts of sensitivity training.  

Fat Bottommed Girls would be classified as "fat-ist," see https:///www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fatism

Almost any body-image is protected these days....kids with severe acne used to be mocked & reviled (e.g. "pizza face"), but that stuff gets students and teachers in big trouble in the USA.  And I think this is a good thing. 

I never much cared for "Fat Bottommed Girls" as a song or topic anyway.  Give me "Ogre Battle" or "Now I'm Here." 

Fat-shaming is bad, but Fat Bottomed Girls is a celebration of big booties, so it's the polar opposite of fatism. Today's young people are much more open about their love for for thicc girls and pawgs than people were in 1978, so the song is ahead of its time, if anything. The reason it was removed from Yoto is because it's a suggestive song, not because of anything related to body image issues or fatism. Seriously, read the lyrics. Just because the word 'fat' is in it, doesn't make it fatist.

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Led Zeppelin - Sick Again. I don't know how people originally reacted to it, but that's become a lyrically incorrect (not so much politically) song which actually make me kind of uncomfortable.

It's strange how it's supposed to be a song that shows the sadness Plant feels for these girls, but it doesn't really come across like that to me, neither lyrically nor musically. Knowing Jimmy Page had a relationship with a 14-year old girl in the 70's certainly doesn't make the song feel any less icky.
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ Sure, technically there's the concept of free speech, which exists in most (Western) countries. But practically, if you say the wrong thing then you'll be cancelled. That can be catastrophic for an artist, if for example most venues will no longer let you perform there. 
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it's been like that forever here in the US and it probably goes way back to the beginnings of film, which was done by rich kids that were having fun! And it stayed that way, until after WW2 when congress decided to blacklist a lot of folks for plain innuendoes, and of course, a few years back that president loved to fire people and have them removed from their job ... and we allowed it to happen because he was the president. Not to mention that for many years in Europe and during some fascist days, you got the bullet in your head instead!

The most important thing is that no one in America, stood up for those folks ... and to me, it seems to suggest that no one cares anyway ... and the vocal minority on the Internet immediately says that he/she deserved to get fired! Go ahead, and let he/she that hath no sin cast the first stone ... but no ... everyone casts the stones because it hides their own fall from grace, and human care.

There isn't enough respect for human beings these days, for this to be important. And thus, various states here continue to create laws so they do not have to take the issue to a public vote, where they will certainly lose! But I wish/hope that America wakes up one day ... but I don't think it can until we have a 3rd party that matters, or a different side of the media that is not afraid to stand up to the "bullies". We had some of that during the 60's going as far back as the famous LA Free Press and many other publications, but those were systematically killed ... and too many of us slept right through it and didn't care because spending your money on Fleetwood Mac was more important!


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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

How about "Big Bottom" by Spinal Tap?


I actually played that song onstage in the Spinal Tap parody band "Casual Crobar!"  The loudest band in Tulsa, Oklahoma USA.....an art project that spun out of control!   I'm the geek in the white lab coat!
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