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Childlike Faith in Childhood's End
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Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Lot of mentions to EL&P but I still haven't seen any Jon Anderson quoted.

From "Sound Out The Galleon - Olias Of Sunhillow"

Do ga riytan sha too raytan

Gan matta sha pa
Mutto mutto mutto

Radan atto raddan atto
Stou to mutto sha go teka
Sha go teka
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Oh come on!!  That is high poetry!!  LOL  

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Lot of mentions to EL&P but I still haven't seen any Jon Anderson quoted.

From "Sound Out The Galleon - Olias Of Sunhillow"

Do ga riytan sha too raytan

Gan matta sha pa
Mutto mutto mutto

Radan atto raddan atto
Stou to mutto sha go teka
Sha go teka
Dei

But this from "Sound And Color - Toltec" is a reference to Castaneda's books

Sound can acknowledge and reveal
The very nature of the body line
Color coexists as a meter to the soul
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Originally posted by Hugh Manatee Hugh Manatee wrote:

For me, those lines from (Hymn) just seem to trivialize what it's trying to address. A simplistic take on an extremely complex situation.

Why not attack this god for the total 60 million people estimated to have died during that particular conflict?

I won't say the lyrics attack "God" regarding Holocaust, as they see the Holocaust as pure human matter - "God" is very probably non-existing here, and at least non-acting in human matters.


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Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

.... but the Holocaust was an occurrence like nothing else in history.

exactly!
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Originally posted by Hugh Manatee Hugh Manatee wrote:

For me, those lines from (Hymn) just seem to trivialize what it's trying to address. A simplistic take on an extremely complex situation.

Why not attack this god for the total 60 million people estimated to have died during that particular conflict?
 
I think mentioning the 6 million Jews was quite appropriate for the song because, according to the Bible, Jews were God's chosen people, and yet...
 
I don't think those lines from the song trivialises the loss of 6 million Jews because those lines actually provides impact to what the song is about. Everybody dies, and wars have been killing people for millennia, but the Holocaust was an occurrence like nothing else in history.
 
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Emerson, Lake & Palmer - "The Only Way (Hymn)"    (excerpt)

"People has stirred moved by the word.
Kneel at the shrine, deceived by the wine.
How was the earth conceived? Infinite space.
Is there such a place? You must believe in the human race.
Can you believe, God makes you breathe.
Why did he lose six million Jews.
Touched by the wings, fears angel brings
Sad winter storm, grey autumn dawn
Who looks on life itself, who lights your way?
Only you can say. How can you just obey?
...........
Don't be afraid: man is man made."

That's great lyrics and not only anti-religious but first and foremost telling that "man is man made" - even I can see 
a problem or two from a religious point of view.


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“Somebody get me a ladder” refers to hitting rock bottom and wanting help to climb out.
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Originally posted by Heart of the Matter Heart of the Matter wrote:

Drink up dreamers, you're running dry            (love this)

C'mon, c'mon, c'mon, c'mon, c'mon, c'mon
Lady kiss that frog                                        (hate this)


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^ Really? What do you smoke? Kiss that frog, and you will get your prince..., C'mon!
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Originally posted by Heart of the Matter Heart of the Matter wrote:

Drink up dreamers, you're running dry            (love this)

C'mon, c'mon, c'mon, c'mon, c'mon, c'mon
Lady kiss that frog                                        (hate this)
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Hi,

I'm not sure that this person knows what the joke is about ... let me tell you in a comedic sort of way, since it would be inappropriate to say it here.

It's about the "peche a la frog" or the "frog a la peche" ... and if you don't know what it means ... sorry ... the joke is not new and wasn't then!
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I like a lot of Al Stewart's lyrics. He was on the fringe of prog perhaps but he researched a lot of historical stuff. I love Roads To Moscow  especially

They crossed over the border, the hour before dawn
Moving in lines through the day
Most of our planes were destroyed on the ground where they lay
Waiting for orders we held in the wood
Word from the front never came
By evening the sound of the gunfire was miles away
Ah, softly we move through the shadows, slip away through the trees
Crossing their lines in the mists in the fields on our hands and on our knees
And all that I ever was able to see
The fire in the air glowing red, silhouetting the smoke on the breeze
All summer they drove us back through the Ukraine
Smolensk and Viasma soon fell
By autumn we stood with our backs to the town of Orel
Closer and closer to Moscow they come
Riding the wind like a bell
General Guderian stands at the crest of the hill
Winter brought with her the rains, oceans of mud filled the roads
Gluing the tracks of their tanks to the ground while the sky filled with snow
And all that I ever was able to see
The fire in the air glowing red silhouetting the snow on the breeze
In the footsteps of Napoleon the shadow figures stagger through the winter
Falling back before the gates of Moscow, standing in the wings like an avenger
And far away behind their lines the partisans are stirring in the forest
Coming unexpectedly upon their outposts, growing like a promise
You'll never know, you'll never know which way to turn, which way to look you'll never see us
As we're stealing through the blackness of the night
You'll never know, you'll never hear us
And the evening sings in a voice of amber, the dawn is surely coming
The morning roads leads to Stalingrad, and the sky is softly humming
Two broken Tigers on fire in the night
Flicker their souls to the wind
We wait in the lines for the final approach to begin
It's been almost four years that I've carried a gun
At home it will almost be spring
The flames of the Tigers are lighting the road to Berlin
Ah, quickly we move through the ruins that bow to the ground
The old men and children they send out to face us, they can't slow us down
And all that I ever was able to see the eyes of the city are opening
Now it's the end of the dream
I'm coming home, I'm coming home, now you can taste it in the wind, the war is over
And I listen to the clicking of the train-wheels as we roll across the border
And now they ask me of the time that I was caught behind their lines and taken prisoner
"They only held me for a day, a lucky break, " I say they turn and listen closer
I'll never know, I'll never know why I was taken from the line and all the others
To board a special train and journey deep into the heart of holy Russia
And it's cold and damp in the transit camp, and the air is still and sullen
And the pale sun of October whispers the snow will soon be coming
And I wonder when I'll be home again and the morning answers "Never"
And the evening sighs, and the steely Russian skies go on forever
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Drink up dreamers, you're running dry            (love this)

C'mon, c'mon, c'mon, c'mon, c'mon, c'mon
Lady kiss that frog                                        (hate this)



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^ ALL those are great, I'm a huge Dylan fan myself, but these are prog lyricists only sadly.
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Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:

^ Hamill? Waters?

Hi,

I wonder if he knows of Roy Harper? ... heck, even Bob Dylan! Robin Williamson! Heck, Jim M even has books of poetry available.

One of our old favorites in the 60's started their material with a poem ... and we thought it was cool, too!


Edited by moshkito - September 20 2023 at 18:25
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^ Hamill? Waters?
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,

The sad side for me, as a writer, is that there is no such thing as "good" or "bad" and every day I look at this thread, I get sadder yet some more.

Thousands of years of literature and stuff has a lot of different ways to saying things, but we think some is good and the rest is bad ... and in the end, that is an illusion ... since a bad actor and singer can make one lyric sound right and better than it might be.

Some folks think that Prufrock is nuts and an ideal in poetry ... others think Shakespeare is ... and in the end, that is not the point ... the expression that it brought out is ... and there is no better or worse, but I get really sad seeing this commercially minded thing consistently putting down material that has a right to be there ... regardless of what we think!

Thanks for bringing up literature! 

I've always considered Jon Anderson of Yes to be an English poet in the mold of the famous "Romantic" movement (Shelley, Keats, Byron etc.).  Sure, some (much) of his stuff is a confusing hash, but when he is on, he is sublime!  

Not far behind Anderson is Peter Gabriel.  The sign of good lyrics is that they stand on their own as poetry, without the music.  

Prog is fortunate to have many excellent poets contributing.  Peter Sinfield, Richard Palmer James and others were visionaries.  I'd add Ian Anderson to the mix.  

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Hi,

The sad side for me, as a writer, is that there is no such thing as "good" or "bad" and every day I look at this thread, I get sadder yet some more.

Thousands of years of literature and stuff has a lot of different ways to saying things, but we think some is good and the rest is bad ... and in the end, that is an illusion ... since a bad actor and singer can make one lyric sound right and better than it might be.

Some folks think that Prufrock is nuts and an ideal in poetry ... others think Shakespeare is ... and in the end, that is not the point ... the expression that it brought out is ... and there is no better or worse, but I get really sad seeing this commercially minded thing consistently putting down material that has a right to be there ... regardless of what we think!
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Here, I'll do my own (Atmos)

Picking a worst one was hard, they're all not great...

(Taken from Part 8 of 'The Stardust Medley')

VIII. BACK

Please come back

Why did you go

Don’t fade into black

We hope you enjoyed the show

Of radiation seeping into his soul

There’s no way he could’ve survived

Please come back

Come Back

Come Back

Come Back…


That needs a re-write... well, making a debut is a learning experience.

Taken from "Hole in the Wall"

The end does not come quickly

As we are drifting here alone

The officer with open casket

The frozen child with no home


None of em are great, check the album's comments on YouTube for all the lyrics. everyone can pick out a least favorite then LOL
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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:

Here's a REALLY hot take, I like it more than Watcher of the Skies. (as of now, but that'll probably change)

An underrated gem for sure!

On an unrelated note, Cstack joined prog archives the same day my brother was born! Day, Month, and Year!!

An auspicious event for sure!  Clap

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