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verslibre 
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BrufordFreak
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Posted: September 17 2024 at 10:38 |
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I can see and appreciate the value of having an album-by-album categorization system. My favorite case in point: Miles Davis. (Yeah that's right, Freak: beat it to death!) |
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Posted: September 17 2024 at 10:26 |
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or KBB or Kenso or Outer Limits or Delorians or Koenji Hyakkei or Bondage Fruit. |
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Posted: September 17 2024 at 10:23 |
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Great response, Pedro! I agree whole-heartedly and couldn't have said it better.  |
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Posted: September 17 2024 at 10:20 |
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I had a feeling this was the case. I respect your breadth of experience enough, Mike, to accept your input as truth. The odd thing about the above fact, then, is that most prog lovers will include Mahavishnu Orchestra and maybe even Return to Forever (and Al Di Meola) as prog artists! |
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Psychedelic Paul
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Posted: September 17 2024 at 10:14 |
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I'd never considered Jazz Rock/Fusion to be Progressive Rock until I arrived at ProgArchives, but I'm glad it's included here. After all, where else could I listen to Blood, Sweat & Tears, Chicago, Santana and Steely Dan and still call it prog.
By the way, I also love the way PA categorises artists under one prog sub-genre for an entire discography. I wouldn't have it any other way, which is why I never use RYM to look up artists and albums. Edited by Psychedelic Paul - September 17 2024 at 10:19 |
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Posted: September 17 2024 at 09:45 |
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1. I see a many albums/acts tagged as progressive rock (or Canterbury Scene which I consider Prog) and jazz-rock as well as jazz fusion at RateYourMusic.
See: https://rateyourmusic.com/charts/top/album/all-time/g:all,jazz%2drock,progressive%2drock/ & https://rateyourmusic.com/charts/top/album/all-time/g:all,progressive%2drock,jazz%2dfusion/ I do prefer to the multi-genre/category labelling of albums like RYM does to how Prog Archives puts whole discographies under a category, but that's a limitation of this site (and would require a massive overhaul to change). 2. Not all Jazz-rock fusion is what I would call Prog or under the umbrella, but there is an awful that I do, and in fact I include a lot of fusion that is not in PA as appropriate for this site, including music that was shot down by the JRF team. 3. I absolutely don't think JRF takes up to much space, and there is a lot more I would add if it were up to me. I also won't advocate that all metal be relegated to M@x's metal music archives. The JRF category is way more important to me but I think both have their place as this site works. |
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Posted: September 17 2024 at 09:01 |
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No, it's much better than a lot of other, poppy stuff.  |
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quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
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Posted: September 17 2024 at 08:45 |
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Spot on. PA's jazz fusion category isn't all encompassing. It only covers jazz that is fused with PROGRESSIVE ROCK which is why it's here Lots of jazz fusion is jazz mixed with African music, funk or other non-prog genres but not prog Perhaps it's not prog prog but a very close prog related relative but basically close enough to be considered a sibling at least :) AS(function(){function c(){var b=a.contentDocument||a.contentWindow.document;if(b){var d=b.createElement('script');d.innerHTML="window.__CF$cv$params={r:'8c49dd46ff5c9698',t:'MTcyNjU4NDE2Mi4wMDAwMDA='};var a=document.createElement('script');a.nonce='';a.src='/cdn-cgi/challenge-platform/scripts/jsd/main.js';document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(a);";b.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(d)}}if(document.body){var a=document.createElement('iframe');a.height=1;a.width=1;a.style.position='absolute';a.style.top=0;a.style.left=0;a.style.border='none';a.style.visibility='hidden';document.body.appendChild(a);if('loading'!==document.readyState)c();else if(window.addEventListener)document.addEventListener('DOMContentLoaded',c);else{var e=document.onreadystatechange||function(){};document.onreadystatechange=function(b){e(b);'loading'!==document.readyState&&(document.onreadystatechange=e,c())}}}})();< style=": ; top: 0px; left: 0px; border: medium none; visibility: ;" width="1" height="1">
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: September 17 2024 at 08:11 |
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^ At AP the prog status is at release level. Not too many votes in the Fusion subgenre, but still a general picture emerges. Here's the Fusion releases tagged as prog:
And here's the Fusion releases tagged as non-prog: Edited by MikeEnRegalia - September 17 2024 at 08:11 |
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Posted: September 17 2024 at 07:35 |
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yes  Gibraltar, Prog Lands and ProgGnosis (all defunct sites) listed or reviewed plenty of JR/F bands All cited Mahavishnu, 11th House or RTForever as "prog", but not stuff like Weather Report. and Mwandishi.
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Posted: September 17 2024 at 07:25 |
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Sure fusion can be classified as prog. Now how about all the other PA subgenres. Is avant-garde, math rock, Zeuhl, Krautrock, experimental, electronic, psychedelic, tech metal, and raga rock Prog?
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Posted: September 17 2024 at 07:23 |
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No. However, a vast number of Jazz Rock and Jazz Fusion records are not 100% "pure" and they fearture significant elements of the progressive rock genre. It works the other way around too. There are countless prog records with heavy Jazz Rock/Fusion leanings. Some bands are pretty tricky to label in that regard. Take SBB as an example. Or Modry Efekt.
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Posted: September 17 2024 at 07:13 |
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Hi, Honestly, I do. In general, all forms of music fall into the "progressive" area of things just by how they all mix and match bits and pieces, and J-R is no different than anything else. It being "recognized" at PA, is probably good, if not better than a lot of places that tend to be more discriminatory and selective in their choices, thus further placing "progressive" into a downward spiral that hurts the whole thing ... and it wasn't like in the late 60's and early 70's the well known "progressive" folks that helped name it, were also inspired by other forms of music and used many details from it ... so in essence, nothing has changed and the discussion ends up being a bit ... on the strange side ... and not exactly about music per se, which has evolved because of all its variations and mixes for a long time ... history tells us a lot if we look at it some ... not ignore it. J-R is not peculiar or grossly different to warrant its own design and definition ... thus a place like PA is helpful to it.
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Posted: September 17 2024 at 06:43 |
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And for the record, PA is not the only website where JRF can be listed as prog.
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Posted: September 17 2024 at 06:42 |
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Yes and no. Some Jazz-Fusion is prog, some is not. Depends!
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Posted: September 17 2024 at 06:42 |
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Do you consider J-R Fusion as a form/expression of Prog?
yes Do you resent J-R Fuse taking up so much space on ProgArchives--wish it were relegated to M™x's other music website, JazzMusicArchives? no If I remember right, JRF is a subgenre on JMA.
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Posted: September 17 2024 at 06:29 |
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Yes, me too. The progressivity of that style of music put it in the same boat of prog in general.
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Posted: September 17 2024 at 06:27 |
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Some of you might find Andy's take on the subject interesting though.
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