A.I. Is Here! What's your opinion?

“Humans won’t be needed for most things.” Speaking to Jimmy Fallon, (Bill) Gates said that within the next decade, AI will deliver expert-level services like medical advice and tutoring freely and at scale, making specialized human knowledge far less essential than it is today.

He calls this era one of “free intelligence,” where AI-powered tools become widely available and touch nearly every area of life, from healthcare and education to climate solutions and productivity.

Robots taking over the world

Edited by Valdez - 9 hours 34 minutes ago at 08:03

I don't know if this is true or if I really understand what I've heard on some discussions about it, but outside of just art, AI is set to begin a new phase of, like, super AI? If I understand, unlike past technology that moves at it's normal rate and advances over decades, AI will eventually explode into a exponentially "warp speed" advancement that could see it easily able to outmaneuver whatever "guardrails" humankind attempt to put in place for our own safety. The growth and the ability of AI will be so stunningly different in just 10, 20 years than it is now and continue at that rate. In other words, in our lifetime, it could be running us rather than the other way around.

Again, no idea if that is true, but I heard some "smart-sounding" people having that discussion.

i hate ai in its post-2017 form when artificial neural networks became advanced enough to generate sophisticated content.

and i hate the societal drive to sophisticate it further

chatgpt in 2022 was just the point of no return, when it became accessible to the normies

this is some f**ked up sh*t ngl

oh and a big f**k you to google for forcing essentially everyone to train their neural networks for free at the cost of our real-world time through their recaptcha bullsh*t, and forcing google ai as the top result on its search engine. they're gonna get f**king sued over that extremely inaccurate bs soon; this is unethical as f**k... never, ever trust ai when doing research.

Edited by bardberic - 18 hours 24 minutes ago at 23:13

I prophesy disaster wrote: ... moshkito wrote: reminds me of that computer thing in California at one time, that folks thought was really good, until a couple of days later, they were told it was a computer ... and the hatred started up! It illustrates that people's opinion about art is not necessarily about the art itself.

Hi,

And that might be an issue, sooner or later, that helps some folks appreciate what an "art" is. It has to be human made, and done, not computerized.

I think this is the side that bothers us the most ... that we lose the ability to make the decisions and the music itself, thus relegating it, to a non-essential in anyone's life. This might even be somewhat sub-conscious of a feeling of dislike, though I would suggest that the listening is not as attentive as it could, or should be, when you would, very likely, feel that something is not right and say so.

I think a side/part of AI is probably a good thing in an office, but I am not sure it is helpful within the arts at all ... I hope that we will not be re-creating more Andy Warhol's ... we don't need that at all, specially for the sake of the riches in the big city.

Edited by moshkito - 22 hours 58 minutes ago at 18:39

AI is still far from ideal, in fact much of it is obviously generated and not great. I've noticed glaring errors in AI text & data, so we may be assuming too much and giving it too much credit when it is simply artificial product.   I see AI as a tool in the way synthesizers were fifty years ago.   Nothing more, nothing less.

I suspect human product will be around for a very long time, if not forever.

I prophesy disaster wrote: BrufordFreak wrote: I just like good music! Wow!!! There's a lot of vitriol in this thread! But I'm inclined to agree with you on this statement. I haven't yet listened to the music, so I can't judge it at the moment. But I'm not one who will automatically judge the music as bad simply because it was written by AI. However, I do think the proliferation of music generated by AI does tend to cheapen it. In particular, if the Unreal Rock Songs project is prolific, then does it maintain originality among its output? I don't want to hear any artist, AI or not, produce more-or-less the same music over and over again.

Hi,

I'm not sure it is vitriol at all, and sometimes, the reality is scary and the fact that we do not know enough about it, is even worse.

The harsh side of it, is the news about it, is usually mentioned as if it was something evil ... sort of a beneficial Childhood's End ... and we will not know much about it until it is way too late! Arthur C. Clarke for you giving us an idea of AI, and us not knowing anything about it. In his story it was aliens.

I'm not sure that AI is going to be able to create music, like a human does ... unless someone figures out how to scramble all the notes and chords, and find a way to tell the AI brain to make it listenable and musically valid. I think this "thinking" part is what is going to hurt it the most.

But the hard pat, is, how do we know it is AI or not... and we do not have any idea how to determine that, and we could, already have a lot of it around us ... I kinda look at "progrock" as mostly AI, since it does the same format way too many times, the solo is always in the same spot, and the drumming is not as good as a metronome, and does not help the music be better ... it's like you or I telling each other that none of the musicians in a band know how to count, and they need a drummer hitting that snare drum a thousand times in one evening, so we know we are in the right place in the music ... that is a suggestion that the folks are not listening to each other at all ... they are just trying to maintain the beats together ... and we think it is great music, when in essence, almost a lot of it is totally against any composition taught in school or university ... in my book, a really good version of AI!

I don't know ... sometimes I'm glad I won't be around to see how all this frames out in 50 years ... the whole thing is so inhuman and scary and we keep voting for those folks ... I can't help thinking that we simply have no idea what is right or wrong, or that the folks we think are good for government are actually crooks or not! We have to get better in that area, so a few liars don't get by ...

It's like the crossroads ... how do you know which road in this juncture to take when you ask the devil or the dishonest person? I don't think most of us have any idea how to deal with that in a positive way ... hopefully it is better than that!

I have my doubts, and this is the area why I trust new music instead of the copy of a copy of a copy of a copy in all the listings everywhere!

Edited by moshkito - Yesterday at 14:28

BrufordFreak wrote: I just like good music!

Wow!!! There's a lot of vitriol in this thread! But I'm inclined to agree with you on this statement. I haven't yet listened to the music, so I can't judge it at the moment. But I'm not one who will automatically judge the music as bad simply because it was written by AI. However, I do think the proliferation of music generated by AI does tend to cheapen it. In particular, if the Unreal Rock Songs project is prolific, then does it maintain originality among its output? I don't want to hear any artist, AI or not, produce more-or-less the same music over and over again.

Hi,

The side of it all is how some corporate folks want to replace people (employees) with some AI, figuring that it would cost less ... and I think there may be a comment on this idea. As Frank Zappa said ... "there has to be a song somewhere in there!"

1. The company got too big!

2. The code artist doing this is getting back at the company that would not hire him/her and pay them!

3. The whole idea is not exactly honest, as far as I can tell, and the music example above is scary ... and reminds me of that computer thing in California at one time, that folks thought was really good, until a couple of days later, they were told it was a computer ... and the hatred started up! Nobody ever heard from that group again, and what they did, and I would not be surprised if they lost all kinds of grants and moneys.

4. The educational value of teaching MUSIC in schools is gone. Specially in America where one political party has spent the last 50 years taking money away from all the arts and making sure that it is not available in the schools, since the arts are often known to be too liberal for that group's politics, and chances of winning more elections ... so they rely on folks not "knowing" or not "having" any idea of what the arts can do and have done for many years in the Western World ... this is not the case in a few other places where the arts are heavily controlled.

5. Our own understanding and appreciation for the knowledge that it took to create the AI, is a problem ... we now see it as a problem, when before it was exciting research!

6. One guy in busking in the big house, will immediately replace people/employees with AI, because in the end it is cheaper ... and that turkey thinks that the AI will not need regular maintenance and work. Very naive in my book, but this is more about "control" and the "power" of being so rich that no one can stop it any more, and on top of it, the media loves it, because he likely owns a serious percentage of it anyway! Same thing happened when Disney picked up ESPN, and the fun went out the window within the year ... we all watched ESPN for the fun and the antics ... and all of a sudden it was cheap jokes, and dry, cold and boring news ... and no fun!

7. The grass is always greener on the other side, and hate it or not, we will not go to the polls and get rid of the folks making sure that the AI folks get in to the big houses!

8. Go ahead and hate it ... what are you doing about it?

Edited by moshkito - Yesterday at 10:33

That channel is de facto a scam. Yep. You heard me right. Scam. If you go to their bandcamp, you'll see that they're actually selling this content.

I can play Devil's Advocate here, sure. I can see it as a toy. But as soon as monetizing this type of content comes into play, that's a red flag for me.

Edited by Hrychu - Yesterday at 08:09