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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Themistocles Themistocles wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

So what do you guys think is the most underrated or underappreciated Rush album? I would say either Presto, Hold Your Fire or Test For Echo. I could say Roll the Bones but that one actually went platinum (as did Fly by Night).


For me it is Test for Echo. I listen to it frequently and it is a great sounding album. Mixed by Andy Wallace and recorded at Bearville none of the albums after it sound as good.


nowadays Grace Under Pressure. At the time many fans didn't like the direction they were taking but I think the cold war themes they utilised on this album have aged well and seem just as relevant as ever. Generally I like most Rush , nothing that I want to hate on. They did get a bit 'meh' around Presto but I think they were fatigued after making 7 albums in just 10 years and with the constant touring needed to rethink their scheldule a bit. I like all the 90's albums, some don't like the grungy sound of Test For Echo but I like it about the same as other albums around that time. Vapor Trails always sounded fine to me but I know that's been a bone of contention over the years!


My opinion is an unpopular one, but for me GUP is their last great album. Alex is just on fire on that album, both smokin' and inventive. In comparison, Power Windows felt like an absolute collapse. Felt that way at the time and I still do. But I realize a ton of people love PW.


I rather like GUP too... it is very much of its time. I listen to A Show of Hands a great deal and all the GUP tracks included on the live album are strong.   For me it has that 80's quality and since I was a teenager in those years it resonates. I suppose some fans pushed back against them sounding more like 80's stuff but to me its a kind of obvious evolution. Hard to have a career as long as Rush did without adapting to the sounds of the various decades.
Sjå, my first album in 25+ years is out now: https://jeffjahn.bandcamp.com/album/sj   I am told its quite original
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Originally posted by Themistocles Themistocles wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

So what do you guys think is the most underrated or underappreciated Rush album? I would say either Presto, Hold Your Fire or Test For Echo. I could say Roll the Bones but that one actually went platinum (as did Fly by Night).


For me it is Test for Echo. I listen to it frequently and it is a great sounding album. Mixed by Andy Wallace and recorded at Bearville none of the albums after it sound as good.

Roll the Bones had a pretty good sound, nothing too compressed. Snakes and Arrows is also not bad, a bit more compression but still had some dynamics.

Unlike Vapor Trails and Clockwork Angels, both compressed and missing dynamics galore...All the instruments are at same volume. Rush used two mixing engineers who for me are not very good at all on these albums.


I hear you. Yeah I love the songs on clockwork Angels but the album is squashed to death by compression, limiters and clippers. Ive got to have dynamic range and Andy Wallace is known for not using a lot of compression. I want those albums remixed and remastered.   
Sjå, my first album in 25+ years is out now: https://jeffjahn.bandcamp.com/album/sj   I am told its quite original
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Vapor Trails Remixed was released twelve years ago. Remastering won't improve the sound further. I'm a weirdo who's fine with the original release (more oomph).


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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Grace Under Pressure is my favorite Rush album, but I strongly disagree Power Windows is akin to "an absolute collapse" with songs like, well, basically the entire first side, and the poignant "Middletown Dreams" on Side B. It's a stupendous recording.


Yeah its certainly one to test a new hi fi with. Manhattan Project is amazing as well but I do feel that album is a bit samey throughout and lacking ideas.IMO
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I love Power Windows. I’d put it up there with Signals. So many great songs! To me, it was their last great album. My favorite era is still A Farewell to Kings through Moving Pictures, but I also dig the 80s sound through to Hold Your Fire, as well as their earlier work. In fact, I prefer Caress of Steel to 2112, which always gets my friend’s dander up. It sounds like a DIY garage band making an epic and I love it’s raw sound.
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Originally posted by Jaketejas Jaketejas wrote:

I love Power Windows. I’d put it up there with Signals. So many great songs! To me, it was their last great album. My favorite era is still A Farewell to Kings through Moving Pictures, but I also dig the 80s sound through to Hold Your Fire, as well as their earlier work. In fact, I prefer Caress of Steel to 2112, which always gets my friend’s dander up. It sounds like a DIY garage band making an epic and I love it’s raw sound.


Fully agree that Power Windows is the last great Rush album.

Also agree that Caress of Steel is far better than 2112.
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Vapor Trails Remixed was released twelve years ago. Remastering won't improve the sound further. I'm a weirdo who's fine with the original release (more oomph).



I havent listened to vapor trails in a very long time but I revisited it last night comparing both versions. I prefer the remix but you are not crazy the original mix has more low end and low mid information, so ooomph. Im a dynamics aficianado and upper mids is the magic for me so the remix works. sure it could be improved but you have to draw a line some where ore it becomes an asymptotic crazy making machine for the band. Weve seen tons of remasters and some are Great (Gentle Giant) or are a bit pointless (Yes) so there's always a risk.

I prefer Test For Echo's original mix and mastering job. It is of its time with every drum having its own reverb situation. That's Just 90's production and the SSL 9000 sound.   

The thing with Rush is the drums are such a featured instrument so the transients really matter and shrinking the dynamic range kills that.   I still want a better mix of their final album because it does have some great songs and every swansong deserves to be heard at its best. But at a certain point a thing needs to bea product of its times. These days the loudness wars are over and dynamic range is coming back.   

Edited by Themistocles - 4 hours 60 minutes ago at 14:45
Sjå, my first album in 25+ years is out now: https://jeffjahn.bandcamp.com/album/sj   I am told its quite original
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Personally, I think the production of Roll the Bones sounds plasticky, it lacks the warmth of Presto and the cojones of Counterparts. I was glad Rupert Hine was gone, and Peter Collins was back. I don't like Geddy's tone on RtB. I'm not sure what happened, because it sounds good on Presto.


Presto for me lacked low end that gives music that umph feeling. It was mixed with a very lacking low end.
Counterparts was more balanced but still lacking low end.....All this when u compare to albums like Hemispheres and AFTK during the golden age of analog recording....Geddy's bass tone is so much deeper and how it should be, thick. Terry Brown mixed those two with mastering at JAMF and Masterdisk, there is so much more life in those recordings, spinning those at high volume is bone jarring...
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Vapor Trails Remixed was released twelve years ago. Remastering won't improve the sound further. I'm a weirdo who's fine with the original release (more oomph).




For me this album was 100% about Neil Peart and Rush are back!!! When I bought that CD I played it daily and I never complained much, because they were back!!

The remix version is pretty good, it did bring back some dynamics which helps a lot but overall this album IMO is such a great return to Guitar, Bass, Drums for Rush that IDC at the time.

I do spin the remix more than I play the OG compact disc I have.
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And BTW.....I love Power Windows!! I remember buying that LP and was simply slammed by the music and songs like Manhattan Project, Middletown Dreams, Marathon and Mystic Rhythms.
Plus it was mastered by Bob Ludwig at Masterdisc and sounds fantastic!
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

For me this album was 100% about Neil Peart and Rush are back!!! When I bought that CD I played it daily and I never complained much, because they were back!!


Abso-freakin-lutely! I played the shuh-biz out of it. I was already hyped by the preview snippets of "Nocturne," "Earthshine" and especially "Freeze"! The boys were back in town!


Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

And BTW.....I love Power Windows!! I remember buying that LP and was simply slammed by the music and songs like Manhattan Project, Middletown Dreams, Marathon and Mystic Rhythms.
Plus it was mastered by Bob Ludwig at Masterdisc and sounds fantastic!


Power Windows is essential Rush. E-s-s-e-n-t-i-a-l. That's the best Geddy's Wal bass sounded, along with "Show Don't Tell" from Presto (I love that song). I mean, the album only opens with one of their most powerful songs, continuing the streak begun with Permanent Waves (and continuing with "Force Ten" from HYF). The band was on fire, fire, FI-YAH!!!
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Vapor Trails Remixed was released twelve years ago. Remastering won't improve the sound further. I'm a weirdo who's fine with the original release (more oomph).




For me this album was 100% about Neil Peart and Rush are back!!! When I bought that CD I played it daily and I never complained much, because they were back!!

The remix version is pretty good, it did bring back some dynamics which helps a lot but overall this album IMO is such a great return to Guitar, Bass, Drums for Rush that IDC at the time.

I do spin the remix more than I play the OG compact disc I have.

True... they just being back was all. Maybe not the most gel in the songwriting but a real rock band rocking out. Clockwork angels was much better songwriting wise but that makes sense.   the ultimate pressure
Sjå, my first album in 25+ years is out now: https://jeffjahn.bandcamp.com/album/sj   I am told its quite original
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