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I don't know if this is true or if I really understand what I've heard on some discussions about it, but outside of just art, AI is set to begin a new phase of, like, super AI? If I understand, unlike past technology that moves at it's normal rate and advances over decades, AI will eventually explode into a exponentially "warp speed" advancement that could see it easily able to outmaneuver whatever "guardrails" humankind attempt to put in place for our own safety. The growth and the ability of AI will be so stunningly different in just 10, 20 years than it is now and continue at that rate. In other words, in our lifetime, it could be running us rather than the other way around.

Again, no idea if that is true, but I heard some "smart-sounding" people having that discussion.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Valdez Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2025 at 07:53
So now we have to figure out how to make music that A.I. can’t.   Should be easy.
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Robots taking over the world

Edited by Valdez - April 25 2025 at 08:03
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Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:


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Under the supervision of a (group of) humans, they will probably improve. When will we be able to accept and appreciate their contributions to "art"?
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Hi,

This is the part that a group of politicians in America does not want ... why? The arts, have been known for many centuries to be way too liberal and a threat to the political landscape ... thus, taking the moneys away from the public works like PBS, and then from various institutions (Some institutions in the East Coast have recently come under the government rules, and moneys cut off!) and specially the Educational funding ... and in the end, it means that AI will get even more control since the more liberal sides of things are disappearing more and more. The PBS world, at one time, had a really good path to a lot of art ... but these days? Really sad and pathetic and being run by folks that don't know what this is all about, and think that some native music from a station in Venus one hour per week is more important than the rest of the station, that at one time was important, but since then all of them have died and kinda gone to the heaven of hells!

AI, by definition is not compatible with "art" which is a more individualized form of work, which I doubt AI can ever do, since it was a result of "programming" ... and the "art" is not about "programming" ... it's about living through the creative moments in your heart and mind ... the very same thing that AI is not capable of doing, without being told how to do it! Which is not an "art" at all!
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“Humans won’t be needed for most things.” Speaking to Jimmy Fallon, (Bill) Gates said that within the next decade, AI will deliver expert-level services like medical advice and tutoring freely and at scale, making specialized human knowledge far less essential than it is today.

He calls this era one of “free intelligence,” where AI-powered tools become widely available and touch nearly every area of life, from healthcare and education to climate solutions and productivity.
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Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:


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Speaking to Jimmy Fallon, (Bill) Gates said that within the next decade, AI will deliver expert-level services like medical advice and tutoring freely and at scale, making specialized human knowledge far less essential than it is today.
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Hi,

This will only be valuable if it was free of "opinions" and the work more centered on the needs of the patient, which right now the medical community is having serious issues with about a lot of women's freedom and abortion (for example), which would be different if you did not have to deal with the religious stuff.

But, I doubt that the AI, at any time, will be free of that need ... since the folks putting it together will no doubt infuse their politics very quickly! Again, it will be a tool for the rich to control the rest and get re-elected without the public knowing how it can happen so easily! It ain't public opinion, as some state offices have shown in the past few years! It's been the agenda of a few people, instead!

Edited by moshkito - April 25 2025 at 19:41
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Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:


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...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"...



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This is already happening ... the Internet is the "Mob Rules". And is fiddled and controlled by the media that is owned by ... one day we will wake up to that, and maybe do something about it!
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Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

If you go to their bandcamp, you'll see that they're actually selling this content.
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But as soon as monetizing this type of content comes into play, that's a red flag for me.


Most things we buy are produced by robots or other machines. Would you rather that everything be handmade? That would be quite expensive.




Yet, everything used to be handmade and it was accessible. Just like food, which used to be all natural and it was totally accessible. Now that, robot made goods might have been cheaper in the beginning, just as processed food, but now those things have regular prices, and the old way of doing thing has become much more expensive. I guess the same is happening with streaming and digital purchases, first they were cheaper than buying physical media, and now they are getting to the price physical media used to have, while physical media is getting more expensive, or just doesn't exist any more. Now, I wouldn't want human made art to end up going the same way.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote moshkito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2025 at 21:50
Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:


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Now, I wouldn't want human made art to end up going the same way.


Hi,

I think the real issue is that we can NOT define art well, beyond it being listed on top of everything else, and this was an issue 50 years plus ago, when in a philosophy class we had a discussion of what is art ... and in the end? No one could agree on anything, and no one could figure out what made "art" and what was important or not.

I think ... I THINK ... that the numbers, and quantity of ideas that the top stuff is more important, even if not true (hello Virgin years ago!!!!), but somehow we don't question it and instead ... go right along with it and help it along ... I'm not gonna fault Virgin too much beyond the colorful balls that prevented many artists from getting their due (and almost all of them left!!! But never got a penny for it!) ... and we didn't care then, but I will admit one thing ... there was no Internet then, but I don't remember MM or NME saying anything about it, either ... and they could have, which speaks a LOT, about who owned them in the first place ... they were not independent at all!

I'm OK with lots of things being amidst the ones that obviously sell a lot and get a lot of recognition, but after a while, I'm not sure that anyone can agree on how to define "art" when the one you like best is listed at the top, and not as an art at all!

AI is going to be here, as long as we allow it all to be ruled and controlled by the commercial powers that be ... after all, they are the ones replacing humans, though I suppose we could say the same thing about wars!!! But, we don't care anymore, I don't think.

AI would not be here if we did our civic duty (specially in America) and made the votes count to remove the folks that don't ... not only ... not believe in the arts ... but spend their time killing them by cutting out the funding, which has been happening more and more since the Reagan years in America. But, look ... another of those folks is in there, and he just cut off even more stuff from PBS and NPR, and Sesame Street and a lot of children's stuff, is going to get lost ... do those rich folks care? I don't think so! The same thing happens in a couple of states here ... in another dimension ... but it continues after many years of the same thing ... and somehow those shows keep on coming out and living again ... just like the movies in America bringing back the same old everything, from zombies, to westerns, to musicals ... as if those older folks are the only ones that could appreciate it all ... but our generation has given up ... and we will be doing EXACTLY the same thing on other choices!

History and education is there for some learning, except that it is not favorable to some that want to win the elections and we would rather be stupid in some places, than do something about it!

The internet, is helping keep us silly in many ways, and confused and having no idea of what is what ... is a major part of it all ... everyone is a star and famous and has something to say, meaningful or not, but then, just like here on PA, no one cares much about "meaning" I often think ... and you don't think that is AI, right there?
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Missed this discussion when it started. A major thing about current AI is that it relies on being trained by non-artificial content, and it basically copies it, or rather, puts things together in "realistic" ways. Therefore it'll sound OK but not original. I haven't heard anything yet that has moved me, but I don't rule out the possibility that it could happen (there's some not all too original music that I love actually).

And one thing I have said already in the 1990s when people were already interested in computer generated music, was that for everything a computer does you can find a human that does it worse. But finding something that a computer does that works better for humans than what really good humans do, far more difficult.

I was always fascinated by some kind of machine aesthetic, Kraftwerk, Tangerine Dream's sequencers etc. I'm a lover of electronic music. By this kind of "too precise, too perfect" I'm not bothered. The things I have heard up to now that try to emulate a less electronic, "warmer" style with sounds that are like guitar, real voices etc., actually interest me less. Whatever really good a machine will do, find the human who did that first. Without human material to train no machine success is possible.

By the way, some people now talk about the danger of AI quality suffering because too much training material is already itself generated by AI. Most seem to think that it'll be much better in 20 years, but it may well be worse. (Or better in some respects, worse in others.)

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I don't like A.I. at all, and consider it a threat; it is not the real world! Even my favourite group is being affected; there are Triumvirat videos where the mouse is coming out of his egg shell and walking around, and also moving around inside his light bulb...what utter nonsense! (and you know i am a staunch Triumvirat fan)

       With A.I. pervading things, there is too much of a temptation to "rewrite history", and that, my friends, is scary....
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This song from 1970 has become increasingly actual lately. If AI overcomes its recognizable dialect, things may become creepy.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Themistocles Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 5 hours 41 minutes ago at 23:32
It is a tool liker no other, the trick is having the tool serve your purpose rather than serving the tool.

Ive been listening to savior machine a lot for the past 5-6 years and purposefully recorded an album that ai would have a hellish time pantomiming. Basically to explore the most un machine-like aspects of creation.
Sjĺ, my first album in 25+ years is out now: https://jeffjahn.bandcamp.com/album/sj   I am told its quite original
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