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    Posted: 2 hours 17 minutes ago at 08:54
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

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I thought of Groon as well, but I could never remove anything. I would have just placed it in between Peace – A Theme and Cat Foot. I know that's breaking Steve's rules. But for me that would have lifted a for me already near perfect album into greater hights*. The b-side would only have been about 23:30 long instead, which wouldn't cause problem lenghtwise.

*I never had a problem with the album. The two songs that somewhat resemble songs from the debut are both wonderful, and that's more than good enough for me. Maybe I'd have an issue with it if I was around to buy it in real time, 1970, but I wasn't.


Poseidon could have been better appreciated if it didn't seem like a carbon copy of Court. At least the B-side is different enough and the peace themes change things up a bit.

Maybe if the order of the tracks changed and Groon replaced Cadence and Cascade (not a track I'd want to remove but it does feel out of place with Haskell's vocals)...

A-side
The Devil's Triangle
Peace - A Beginning
Pictures of a City

B-side
Peace - A Theme
Cat Food
Groon
In the Wake of Poseidon
Peace - An End

I wish the original lineup had stayed together for one more album before going their separate ways because we could have gotten a true masterpiece of an album with songs from Poseidon, McDonald & Giles, and possibly radically different versions of "Take a Pebble" and "Lucky Man". But Poseidon is still a good album regardless.
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:


Honestly speaking, I'm not much for this kind of experiments, as it may look like lack of respect for the cultural heritage - especially when it's done in reissues and may be confusing with regard to the original form of an album.

While I couldn't really come up with something I'd actually like to replace myself, it's just a bit of "what if"-fun. And if you don't like it, you don't have to participate. Simple as that.
Originally posted by BasedProgger BasedProgger wrote:

Also "Groon" from In the Wake of Poseidon but there's nothing to remove (well, maybe "Peace - A Theme").
I thought of Groon as well, but I could never remove anything. I would have just placed it in between Peace – A Theme and Cat Foot. I know that's breaking Steve's rules. But for me that would have lifted a for me already near perfect album into greater hights*. The b-side would only have been about 23:30 long instead, which wouldn't cause problem lenghtwise.

*I never had a problem with the album. The two songs that somewhat resemble songs from the debut are both wonderful, and that's more than good enough for me. Maybe I'd have an issue with it if I was around to buy it in real time, 1970, but I wasn't.

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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Brain Salad Surgery

OUT Benny The Bouncer
IN When The Apple Blossom Blooms in The Windmills of Your Mind I Will be Your Valentine


My BSS playlist retains 'Benny the Bouncer', but has the track 'Brain Salad Surgery' inserted before Karn Evil 9. That works well.


that's just another 'joke' track imo. When The Apple Blossoms.. is one of ELP's finest intrumentals and shows an almost jazz fusion side with some lovely fat bass plus that fantastic moog sound (Carl is good also :))
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Originally posted by Steve Wyzard Steve Wyzard wrote:

And for those who were wondering, I did remember the Yes cover of "America", but I can't seriously consider replacing any song on Fragile.

I agree. The concept of each member having their own solo piece is pretty cool and you'd have to remove almost all of them to make room for "America". In that case, the only one I'd keep is "The Fish (Schindleria Praematurus)".

Side A
Roundabout
South Side of the Sky
Long Distance Runaround
The Fish (Schindleria Praematurus)

Side B
Heart of the Sunrise
America

I still prefer the original album.

I'd like to say drop "Heartbeat" and "Two Hands" from King Crimson's Beat but there isn't anything to replace it with except for "Absent Lovers" which sounds incomplete and an extended version of "Requiem" which was already long enough to begin with.

Also "Groon" from In the Wake of Poseidon but there's nothing to remove (well, maybe "Peace - A Theme").
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Honestly speaking, I'm not much for this kind of experiments, as it may look like lack of respect for the cultural heritage - especially when it's done in reissues and may be confusing with regard to the original form of an album.   






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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Brain Salad Surgery

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My BSS playlist retains 'Benny the Bouncer', but has the track 'Brain Salad Surgery' inserted before Karn Evil 9. That works well.
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Originally posted by Steve Wyzard Steve Wyzard wrote:

And for those who were wondering, I did remember the Yes cover of "America", but I can't seriously consider replacing any song on Fragile.


My playlist for 'Fragile' has the 5 shorter solo pieces stripped out, and has 'America' tacked on at the end - that makes for a more satisfying listen IMO.
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Brain Salad Surgery

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 03 2025 at 13:54
The songs that did not make it on Genesis - Abacab - Submarine, You Might Recall and Naminanu can replace Whodunnit. These three songs are better than a couple other songs on the album, such as Like It or Not and Another Record.

Edited by Cristi - Yesterday at 03:33
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Steve Wyzard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 03 2025 at 13:37
If you could replace any song on an existing album with another song by the same artist from the same recording sessions, what would you choose?

Here are my 10 choices, all are in PA:

Led Zeppelin - III (1970):
     Replace "Hats Off to Roy Harper" with "Hey Hey What Can I do?"
Genesis - Wind and Wuthering (1976):
     Replace "Your Own Special Way" with "Inside and Out".
Anthony Phillips - Sides (1979):
     Replace "Holy Deadlock" with "Souvenir".
Led Zeppelin - In Through the Out Door (1979):
     Replace "Hot Dog" with "Ozone Baby".
Peter Gabriel - IV (Security) (1982):
     Replace "Kiss of Life" with "Soft Dog".
Marillion - Script for a Jester's Tear (1983):
     Replace "Garden Party" with "Charting the Single".
Barclay James Harvest - Ring of Changes (1983):
     Replace "Just a Day Away (Forever Tomorrow)" with "Blow Me Down".
Robert Plant - Now and Zen (1988):
     Replace "Billy's Revenge" with "Walking Toward Paradise".
Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman and Howe - s/t (1989):
     Replace "The Meeting" with "Vultures in the City".
Genesis - We Can't Dance (1991):
     Replace "Jesus He Knows Me", "Tell Me Why", and "Living Forever" (yep, all
     of them) with "On the Shoreline".

And for those who were wondering, I did remember the Yes cover of "America", but I can't seriously consider replacing any song on Fragile.
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