Bonus tracks/B-Sides replacing actual album tracks

Floydoid wrote: Steve Wyzard wrote: And for those who were wondering, I did remember the Yes cover of "America", but I can't seriously consider replacing any song on Fragile. My playlist for 'Fragile' has the 5 shorter solo pieces stripped out, and has 'America' tacked on at the end - that makes for a more satisfying listen IMO.

Great idea!

richardh wrote: ^ just need something to replace Battle Of Epping Forest

Epping Forest & Ordeal are the best thing on SEBTP

Cristi wrote: The songs that did not make it on Genesis - Abacab - Submarine, You Might Recall and Naminanu can replace Whodunnit. These three songs are better than a couple other songs on the album, such as Like It or Not and Another Record.

The Dodo Suite would have been interesting...

Listen to it here: Naminanu/Dodo/Lurker/Submarine

Saperlipopette! wrote: I wouldn't mind (or, actually I think I would), but I'm quite certain starting the album with The Devil's Triangle would have been commercial suicide.

Fine with me (although I still prefer the original track listing, and this wouldn't have changed the fact this is just another ITCOTCK so long as "Pictures of a City" and the title track are included, but I wouldn't trade those for something else).

BasedProgger wrote: Saperlipopette! wrote: [QUOTE=David_D] I thought of Groon as well, but I could never remove anything. I would have just placed it in between Peace – A Theme and Cat Foot. I know that's breaking Steve's rules. But for me that would have lifted a for me already near perfect album into greater hights*. The b-side would only have been about 23:30 long instead, which wouldn't cause problem lenghtwise. *I never had a problem with the album. The two songs that somewhat resemble songs from the debut are both wonderful, and that's more than good enough for me. Maybe I'd have an issue with it if I was around to buy it in real time, 1970, but I wasn't. Poseidon could have been better appreciated if it didn't seem like a carbon copy of Court. At least the B-side is different enough and the peace themes change things up a bit. Maybe if the order of the tracks changed and Groon replaced Cadence and Cascade (not a track I'd want to remove but it does feel out of place with Haskell's vocals)... A-side The Devil's Triangle Peace - A Beginning Pictures of a City B-side Peace - A Theme Cat Food Groon In the Wake of Poseidon Peace - An End

I wouldn't mind (or, actually I think I would), but I'm quite certain starting the album with The Devil's Triangle would have been commercial suicide.

^ just need something to replace Battle Of Epping Forest

verslibre wrote: Steve Wyzard wrote: Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman and Howe - s/t (1989):      Replace "The Meeting" with "Vultures in the City". No, bud! Replace "Teakbois," not "The Meeting."

I'll accept this, because I know "Teakbois" gets a lot of hate for being so "over the top" and out of character for these players. If we set the silly lyrics aside, I actually really enjoy the band's musical performance on this.

I chose "The Meeting" because not only are Howe and Bruford missing, but it utterly kills the album's momentum. Yes it's pretty, but putting such a "soft" song right in the middle of the album makes it kind of a dead weight. Even though it's only four minutes, it outstays its welcome.

Saperlipopette! wrote: [QUOTE=David_D] I thought of Groon as well, but I could never remove anything. I would have just placed it in between Peace – A Theme and Cat Foot. I know that's breaking Steve's rules. But for me that would have lifted a for me already near perfect album into greater hights*. The b-side would only have been about 23:30 long instead, which wouldn't cause problem lenghtwise. *I never had a problem with the album. The two songs that somewhat resemble songs from the debut are both wonderful, and that's more than good enough for me. Maybe I'd have an issue with it if I was around to buy it in real time, 1970, but I wasn't.

Poseidon could have been better appreciated if it didn't seem like a carbon copy of Court. At least the B-side is different enough and the peace themes change things up a bit.

Maybe if the order of the tracks changed and Groon replaced Cadence and Cascade (not a track I'd want to remove but it does feel out of place with Haskell's vocals)...

A-side
The Devil's Triangle
Peace - A Beginning
Pictures of a City

B-side
Peace - A Theme
Cat Food
Groon
In the Wake of Poseidon
Peace - An End

I wish the original lineup had stayed together for one more album before going their separate ways because we could have gotten a true masterpiece of an album with songs from Poseidon, McDonald & Giles, and possibly radically different versions of "Take a Pebble" and "Lucky Man". But Poseidon is still a good album regardless.

Floydoid wrote: richardh wrote: Brain Salad Surgery OUT Benny The Bouncer IN When The Apple Blossom Blooms in The Windmills of Your Mind I Will be Your Valentine My BSS playlist retains 'Benny the Bouncer', but has the track 'Brain Salad Surgery' inserted before Karn Evil 9. That works well.

that's just another 'joke' track imo. When The Apple Blossoms.. is one of ELP's finest intrumentals and shows an almost jazz fusion side with some lovely fat bass plus that fantastic moog sound (Carl is good also :))

Honestly speaking, I'm not much for this kind of experiments, as it may look like lack of respect for the cultural heritage - especially when it's done in reissues and may be confusing with regard to the original form of an album.   






Edited by David_D - June 04 2025 at 10:03