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MorgothSunshine
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Posted: July 20 2005 at 09:07 |
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Uriah Heep are the greatest prog band in history. I challenge anyone to argue. |
Ma fatti una sega!
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The Rock
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Posted: July 20 2005 at 09:29 |
M. B. Zapelini wrote:
I love Uriah Heep, but I don't think they are progressive at all (although there are some songs with prog moments - "July Morning" must be the most known, but "Wonderworld", although shorter, sounds prog to me - more progressive than, say it, " Wonderous Stories". By the way, if you want to judge some band as progressive by the lenght of their songs, maybe you should say that early Grand Funk Railroad is prog-rock ("Closer to Home", "Inside Looking Out", "T.N.U.C", "Into the Sun" all clocks at 10+ minutes)!! |
First off,not that I want to,but please allow me  to disagree.Uriah Heep IS a prog band.As for Grand Funk,some of their mid 70's stuff would surely qualify,have you heard Closer to Home/I'm your captain? And then albums like Phoenix,We're an American Band,Shinnin'on,Born to Die and the excellent Live album with Craig Frost on keys,extensively using Hammond,clavinet and even a bit of 'tron.Now of course not every song they did was prog,but many were.Those albums were produced by Todd Rundgren and it shows,they sound a bit like Utopia.
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The Rock
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Posted: July 20 2005 at 09:33 |
ivan_2068 wrote:
The Rock wrote:
Didn't Lee Kerslake played in a band named National Head Band?Btw,the Weed album is readily available on Cd,they(Weed) were a german band I think.Oh and National H.B.'s keysman was Jan Shellas future Camel/Caravan. |
National Head Band released one album called "Albert 1" produced if I'm not wrong by Eddie Offord.
Lee Kerslake played drums on it with Bob Daisley who played bass with Black Sabbath, Rainbow, Carmine Appice and Uriah Heep.
NHB was a mixture of Psychedelia, hard rock and Medieval Folk, interesting band I made a tape of this album when I worked on a radio because it was almost imposible to get the original here in Perú.
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Thanks a lot for the precision Ivan.I'll try to track down the National Head Band album,hope it's out on CD,even on bootleg,since it's so rare and probably very expensive.
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salmacis
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Posted: July 20 2005 at 11:04 |
Yes, The National Head Band had Kerslake and Schelhaas, though I've not heard it; I don't rate Jan Schelhaas that highly, but I think most prog bands are worth hearing at least once.
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BaldFriede
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Posted: July 20 2005 at 13:42 |
Has anybody noticed that David Byron goes "ooh" or "aah" or sometimes "ooh-aah" at least once in every single song on Salisbury? Check it, if you don't believe it.
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DeathRow
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Posted: July 20 2005 at 14:57 |
BaldFriede wrote:
Has anybody noticed that David Byron goes "ooh" or "aah" or sometimes "ooh-aah" at least once in every single song on Salisbury? Check it, if you don't believe it. |
Doesn't he do so on every single song in the Uriah Heep catalogue he was a part of. LOL
It was one of their trademarks, together with the WahWah sound of mick Box, and the heavy distorted dirty organ sound of Ken Hensley. :)
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: July 20 2005 at 23:28 |
DeathRow wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
Has anybody noticed that David Byron goes "ooh" or "aah" or sometimes "ooh-aah" at least once in every single song on Salisbury? Check it, if you don't believe it. |
Doesn't he do so on every single song in the Uriah Heep catalogue he was a part of. LOL It was one of their trademarks, together with the WahWah sound of mick Box, and the heavy distorted dirty organ sound of Ken Hensley. :) |
You're right Death Row, that was a Byron trade mark, but his probably one of the few vocalist that could change so fast from low and more mysterious ranges to dramatic high ones.
Just watched a DVD taken from the black live album and the guy didn't had to make any effort, he was really good.
Iván
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Easy Livin
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Posted: September 26 2005 at 08:51 |
A track by Uriah Heep which deserves special mention is “Circle of hands”. This started life as the last track on side one of “Demons and Wizards”, initial impressions being that while it was a great number, it was a something of a clone of “July Morning” from the previous “Look at yourself” album. The structures of the songs are very similar, with a powerful opening burst leading to a soft vocal section and louder refrain, both tracks closing with a repeated instrumental theme. By this time, Ken Hensley was clearly writing with Byron’s style of vocal delivery upper most in his mind, the “Demons and Wizards” album as a whole finding the two of them in greater harmony than any other Uriah Heep album.
“Circle of hands” really began to take on a life of its own during the bands subsequent live performances, to the extent that by the time of the “Live ‘73” album (sometimes referred to as “Friday night in Birmingham”), it had arguably become the highlight of their act. The original version closed with a repeating slide guitar solo, which faded after a couple of minutes. The live version however was a complete transformation. David Byron gives one of his finest virtuoso vocal performances here. The closing slide guitar theme is repeated briefly before being picked up by Hensley on moog synthesiser, and developed into a magnificent solo. It should be remembered that at the time, only an handful of bands were using synthesisers successfully. Indeed, on the closing section of the studio version of “July Morning”, Manfred Man had been brought in to play the synth solo, Hensley at the time being unfamiliar with this new instrument.
The “moog” (as it was then commonly known) was still tricky to programme and use in a live environment, as evidenced by Hensley’s unscripted noises and audible asides to his roadie just before his solo on the preceding “Gypsy”. The sound he used for the solo on “Circle of hands” was still rather unusual for the time, with only artists such as Emerson and Wakeman really exploiting it commercially. As Hensley develops the theme, the band’s engine room of Lee Kerslake and Gary Thain picks up the pace, the synthesiser soaring to a screaming held note. Hensley pushes the synthesiser to even further heights while Kerslake pound out every beat of the rapidly increased rhythm on bass drum. The track climaxes in a wonderful cacophony of controlled chaos, forming the absolute pinnacle of the show.
It was interesting that Yes subsequently adopted a similar style of ending for “Starship trooper” some years later.
“Circle of hands” has remained a live favourite throughout the numerous line of changes of the band, the current long lasting line up also having included a version on their “Spellbinder” live album.
In 2001,Uriah Heep took the brave decision to turn off the power for an entire show. (Bear in mind their sound over the years has been based on the driving power of the Hammond organ, and the wailing wah-wah guitar of Mick Box, combined with volumes which could set off earthquakes in unstable regions.) The result was the astonishing “Acoustically driven” set, which consisted of unplugged versions of many of the band’s classic songs.
The closing number was a medley made up of “three tracks form “Demons and Wizards”, Paradise”, “The wizard” and of course “Circle of hands”. This version of “Circle of hands” sees a female vocal trio replacing David Byron’s “whoa, whoa” refrains, before the slide guitar theme is picked up, this time by uillean pipes. The pipes are backed by sympathetic instrumentation, including acoustic guitar and acoustic bass. Here, the sound does not build to a crescendo, instead, the backing subsides to leave only the unaccompanied pipes replicating the original slide guitar theme. On the DVD of the gig, Mick Box sits motionless, eyes shut, mesmerised by the sheer beauty of the sound. It is clear this is a highly emotional moment for him. Here is a song he was a key part of during its birth, and over 30 years later he is leading a performance of it which is completely different, yet utterly magical. As the final note on the pipes is held, then abruptly stops, ending the gig, there is a momentary silence. It is as if both band and audience are reluctant to break the spell first through their applause. Inevitably though, that reaction manifests itself, as the need to recognise the performance overwhelms the futile hope that a single moment could last forever.
One of the things which really makes “Circle of hands” special is the complete contrast between the “Live 73” version, and the “Acoustically driven” rendition. There is no question that we are listening to the same song, yet on the former it is one of the most bombastic, musically aggressive performances ever witnessed. On the latter though, the melody is brought to the fore like never before, and the song becomes a piece of pure beauty.
I find listening to the two live versions of this song I have highlighted to be truly inspirational. After playing the “Live ‘73” version, I am physically exhausted. The volume has been pushed to 11, and the foundations of the house dislodged yet again. Conversely, the “Acoustically driven” version raises the hairs on the back of my neck, my throat dries, and I avoid speaking for fear of a stray faltering of my voice revealing the overwhelming emotion I am experiencing.
The song may have been written by Ken Hensley, but it is the band members past and present collectively who deserve the credit for all it has since become.
“We must sacrifice, the future has its price, and today is only yesterday’s tomorrow.”
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gulliman
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Posted: September 26 2005 at 08:54 |
Rob The Plant wrote:
Uriah Heep are the greatest prog band in history... |
... and the most overrated one among their fans. 
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Perrin
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Posted: September 26 2005 at 09:20 |
Bleah! I like them on "Salisbury", "Look at yourself" is on the border, the rest is just beyond me!  They don't really know how to rock! Not exciting!
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Posted: September 27 2005 at 03:40 |
Uriah heep live 1973 is their best
They are fun but the place on the prog list is abut 47.
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Trotsky
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Posted: September 27 2005 at 04:14 |
Easy Livin wrote:
A track by Uriah Heep which deserves special mention is “Circle of hands”. This started life as the last track on side one of “Demons and Wizards”, initial impressions being that while it was a great number, it was a something of a clone of “July Morning” from the previous “Look at yourself” album. The structures of the songs are very similar, with a powerful opening burst leading to a soft vocal section and louder refrain, both tracks closing with a repeated instrumental theme. By this time, Ken Hensley was clearly writing with Byron’s style of vocal delivery upper most in his mind, the “Demons and Wizards” album as a whole finding the two of them in greater harmony than any other Uriah Heep album.
“Circle of hands” really began to take on a life of its own during the bands subsequent live performances, to the extent that by the time of the “Live ‘73” album (sometimes referred to as “Friday night in Birmingham”), it had arguably become the highlight of their act. The original version closed with a repeating slide guitar solo, which faded after a couple of minutes. The live version however was a complete transformation. David Byron gives one of his finest virtuoso vocal performances here. The closing slide guitar theme is repeated briefly before being picked up by Hensley on moog synthesiser, and developed into a magnificent solo. It should be remembered that at the time, only an handful of bands were using synthesisers successfully. Indeed, on the closing section of the studio version of “July Morning”, Manfred Man had been brought in to play the synth solo, Hensley at the time being unfamiliar with this new instrument.
The “moog” (as it was then commonly known) was still tricky to programme and use in a live environment, as evidenced by Hensley’s unscripted noises and audible asides to his roadie just before his solo on the preceding “Gypsy”. The sound he used for the solo on “Circle of hands” was still rather unusual for the time, with only artists such as Emerson and Wakeman really exploiting it commercially. As Hensley develops the theme, the band’s engine room of Lee Kerslake and Gary Thain picks up the pace, the synthesiser soaring to a screaming held note. Hensley pushes the synthesiser to even further heights while Kerslake pound out every beat of the rapidly increased rhythm on bass drum. The track climaxes in a wonderful cacophony of controlled chaos, forming the absolute pinnacle of the show.
It was interesting that Yes subsequently adopted a similar style of ending for “Starship trooper” some years later.
“Circle of hands” has remained a live favourite throughout the numerous line of changes of the band, the current long lasting line up also having included a version on their “Spellbinder” live album.
In 2001,Uriah Heep took the brave decision to turn off the power for an entire show. (Bear in mind their sound over the years has been based on the driving power of the Hammond organ, and the wailing wah-wah guitar of Mick Box, combined with volumes which could set off earthquakes in unstable regions.) The result was the astonishing “Acoustically driven” set, which consisted of unplugged versions of many of the band’s classic songs.
The closing number was a medley made up of “three tracks form “Demons and Wizards”, Paradise”, “The wizard” and of course “Circle of hands”. This version of “Circle of hands” sees a female vocal trio replacing David Byron’s “whoa, whoa” refrains, before the slide guitar theme is picked up, this time by uillean pipes. The pipes are backed by sympathetic instrumentation, including acoustic guitar and acoustic bass. Here, the sound does not build to a crescendo, instead, the backing subsides to leave only the unaccompanied pipes replicating the original slide guitar theme. On the DVD of the gig, Mick Box sits motionless, eyes shut, mesmerised by the sheer beauty of the sound. It is clear this is a highly emotional moment for him. Here is a song he was a key part of during its birth, and over 30 years later he is leading a performance of it which is completely different, yet utterly magical. As the final note on the pipes is held, then abruptly stops, ending the gig, there is a momentary silence. It is as if both band and audience are reluctant to break the spell first through their applause. Inevitably though, that reaction manifests itself, as the need to recognise the performance overwhelms the futile hope that a single moment could last forever.
One of the things which really makes “Circle of hands” special is the complete contrast between the “Live 73” version, and the “Acoustically driven” rendition. There is no question that we are listening to the same song, yet on the former it is one of the most bombastic, musically aggressive performances ever witnessed. On the latter though, the melody is brought to the fore like never before, and the song becomes a piece of pure beauty.
I find listening to the two live versions of this song I have highlighted to be truly inspirational. After playing the “Live ‘73” version, I am physically exhausted. The volume has been pushed to 11, and the foundations of the house dislodged yet again. Conversely, the “Acoustically driven” version raises the hairs on the back of my neck, my throat dries, and I avoid speaking for fear of a stray faltering of my voice revealing the overwhelming emotion I am experiencing.
The song may have been written by Ken Hensley, but it is the band members past and present collectively who deserve the credit for all it has since become.
“We must sacrifice, the future has its price, and today is only yesterday’s tomorrow.”
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"Death to Utopia! Death to faith! Death to love! Death to hope?" thunders the 20th century. "Surrender, you pathetic dreamer.”
"No" replies the unhumbled optimist "You are only the present."
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Posted: September 27 2005 at 05:05 |
Yes! "Live 1973" is definitely one of the greatest live albums of the 70s IMO.
'Circle of Hands' is one of the highlights, and has so much energy, but my favourite part has got to be the incredible opening of 'Sunrise'....what a way to start the show!
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And Jesus said unto John, "come forth and receive eternal life..."
Unfortunately, John came fifth and was stuck with a toaster.
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Posted: September 27 2005 at 06:58 |
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Posted: September 27 2005 at 07:32 |
Hahaha 
I just wanted to say that I really love the Heep too! They are one of the my favourite bands ever.  Byron's vocals to me are one of the most touching, like on songs like Come Away Melinda.
I think also that there is no point in comparing them to Deep Purple, since they are quite different bands after all.
BTW I'm writing this with my Uriah Heep t-shirt on.
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Mnemosyne
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Posted: September 27 2005 at 10:25 |
Heep is a great band, and it is Prog, that's why (fortunately) this band is in the archives... and, yeah, there's no point in comparing them to Deep Purple
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Progger
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Posted: September 27 2005 at 12:18 |
Mnemosyne wrote:
Heep is a great band, and it is Prog, that's why (fortunately) this band is in the archives... and, yeah, there's no point in comparing them to Deep Purple |
Heep are in the all time top 10 prog bands in my estimation!
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Posted: September 27 2005 at 12:59 |
Why do you think I picked Uriah561 as my nick. I love them! The 70-73 period is the best with Gypsy, Look At Yourself, Bird Of Prey, and Lady In Black. They're freakin' awesome.
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salmacis
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Posted: September 27 2005 at 13:12 |
Great post Easy Livin', but I'd say that for a while, Heep were somewhat lost without Ken Hensley when he left after 'Conquest'. This is reflected in songs like 'Rockerama', 'Stay On Top' and 'Bad Blood', that are probably the poorest the band ever made. Happily, they've improved with every album on the songwriting front since 'Raging Silence', the strength of songs like 'The Golden Palace', 'Different World' and 'Cross That Line' clear to see on the 'Acoustically Driven' project, as these songs matched Hensley's work in every way.
Edited by salmacis - January 27 2009 at 12:53
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Progger
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Posted: September 27 2005 at 14:42 |
salmacis wrote:
Any Heep fans familiar with Ken Hensley's solo albums like 'Proud Words On A Dusty Shelf' and 'Eager To Please'? They aren't especially Heep esque really, but reveal Ken to be one of the finest songwriters Britain ever produced.
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His last album 'The Last Dance' has Heep written all over it. It's easy to imagine David Byron singing those songs! Worth checking out!!!
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