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Zenbadger
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Topic: the best of Sabbath?! Posted: December 12 2013 at 18:20 |
I've been revisiting all the Sabbath albums from the ozzy era today. I think Sabbaths albums from this period were So strong that I find it almost impossible to rate them best to worst?!
I wondered how you guys rate them and also if you had to pick your top ten Sabbath tracks... What would you go for?
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Zenbadger
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Posted: December 12 2013 at 18:33 |
I think for me the albums are at the moment;
Sabotage
Volume 4
Sabbath bloody sabbath
Paranoid
Master of reality
Technical ecstasy
Never say die
black sabbath
My top ten tracks:
Sabbath bloody sabbath
Snowblind
Symptom of the universe
Megalomania
Cornucopia
Into the void
Supernaut
Hole in the sky
Under the sun
War pigs
Although they both change
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Posted: December 12 2013 at 19:22 |
I too love the Ozzy era, but I'm mostly indifferent to the Dio stuff, with a few exceptions. So I'll just rank the Ozzy stuff which I know really well and can judge fairly:
Albums: 1. Paranoid 2. Vol 4 3. Sabotage 4. Black Sabbath 5. Sabbath Bloody Sabbath 6. Never Say Die 7. Master of Reality 8. Technical Ecstasy
But I would rate them all "B" or above.
Favorite 10 songs:
1. Tomorrow's Dream 2. Fairies Wear Boots 3. War Pigs 4. Wheels of Confusion 5. Symptom of the Universe 6. Sabbath Bloody Sabbath 7. Never Say Die 8. Iron Man 9. The Writ 19. After Forever
Edited by HolyMoly - December 12 2013 at 19:23
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Zenbadger
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Posted: December 12 2013 at 19:29 |
Yeah they're all B and above for sure, I can't think of any band that put out so many great albums in such a short space of time!
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Posted: December 12 2013 at 20:20 |
Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
Sabotage
Black Sabbath
Volume 4
Paranoid
Master Of Reality
Technical Ecstasy
Never Say Die
Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
Black Sabbath
Megalomania
Symptom Of The Universe
Snowblind
Children Of The Grave
Fairies Wear Boots
The Wizard
N.I.B.
Hole In The Sky
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Chris S
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Posted: December 12 2013 at 20:42 |
Interesting thread....I am a huge Sabbath fan up to Never Say Die and I do find it strange that TE and NSD get such a bad rap. I have to say both have aged really well and NSD is excellent, to these ears anyway. I find it odd how many try blueprint a band for a so called " classic" era, which is natural I suppose but a lot of these bands, Sabbath included have some excellent stuff way in the late 70's and 80's.
So I will defy the critics and say
Never Say Die Volume 4 Technical Ecstasy Master of Reality Sabotage SBS Debut Paranoid....enjoy this one least at the moment
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Dellinger
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Posted: December 12 2013 at 21:09 |
I have just been getting into a bit of Sabbath, and actually I still couldn't put their albums or songs in order. So far, I only have the debut, Paranoid, Master of Reality, Sabbath Bloody Sabbath, and the Reunion live album. Yet, one thing is certain, so far my favourite album is the Reunion one; their songs sound heavier and more professional, I just love them. I'm waiting to receive the Dio years box set... after hearing some Rainbow I just had to get his version of Sabbath. Obviously I still haven't heard those albums, but I find it strange they don't get any love here. I still don't know about the quality of the songs, but at least Dio is by far a better singer than Ozzy, so that should cound for something.
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Posted: December 12 2013 at 21:23 |
What a sorry state of affairs that we are discussing Black Sabbath in the main prog forums and yet Boston can't even get into prog related. There are days that I wonder if people still remember what prog is.
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Eria Tarka
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Posted: December 12 2013 at 22:09 |
Top 10Albums:
1. Sabbath Bloody Sabbath 2. Vol. 4 3. Paranoid 4. Master of Reality 5. Black Sabbath 6. Heaven & Hell 7. Sabotage 8. Never Say Die 9. Mob Rules 10. Born Again
Songs:
1. Wheels of Confusion / The Straightener 2. Sabbra Cadabra 3. Hand of Doom 4. A National Acrobat 5. Symptom of the Universe 6. Under the Sun / Every Day Comes and Goes 7. Planet Caravan 8. Heaven and Hell 9. Killing Yourself to Live 10. Behind the Wall of Sleep
I just remembered how much I love Sabbath
Edited by Eria Tarka - December 12 2013 at 22:18
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Metalmarsh89
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Posted: December 12 2013 at 22:17 |
ghost_of_morphy wrote:
What a sorry state of affairs that we are discussing Black Sabbath in the main prog forums and yet Boston can't even get into prog related. There are days that I wonder if people still remember what prog is.
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I would imagine this will get moved. Are you more upset that BS is prog-related, or that Boston isn't?
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dr wu23
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Posted: December 12 2013 at 22:42 |
The first 4 are still my favorites after all these years. and I like the first the best.
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ghost_of_morphy
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Posted: December 12 2013 at 22:58 |
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
ghost_of_morphy wrote:
What a sorry state of affairs that we are discussing Black Sabbath in the main prog forums and yet Boston can't even get into prog related. There are days that I wonder if people still remember what prog is.
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I would imagine this will get moved. Are you more upset that BS is prog-related, or that Boston isn't?
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I'm not sure. Probably a bit of both. Boston was very clearly and deeply influenced by two prog rock acts (according to this site. I wouldn't count Zep as prog myself.) and then turned around and influenced many prog acts themselves. (Just listen to Howe on the first two Asia albums if you want evidence of that.) So clearly at the very least we should be considering Boston as prog related.
As for Black Sabbath, these guys are integral to metal. and metal eventual developed whole new subgenres when combined with prog. Does this make them proto-prog? Not in my book, but I can understand including their discography here for people who might be interested.
Edited by ghost_of_morphy - December 12 2013 at 23:09
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Posted: December 13 2013 at 12:28 |
^ Swaying off topic slightly but Boston were rejected I think on being too AOR. At least Sabbath fit a prog related mould. I nearly lost my breakfast the other day after hearing the new Boston album
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Posted: December 13 2013 at 14:38 |
I think TE and NSD get short shrift because the band members themselves have criticized them pretty heavily.
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Posted: December 13 2013 at 14:39 |
Also just to add it's hard for me to do lists, but I consider War Pigs to be one of the greatest songs ever recorded by anyone.
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Posted: December 13 2013 at 14:47 |
^ Thanks was not aware of that. Again though it is not what the artists think of the work as opposed to what the listener gets from the work....subjective of course. I mean if we formed opinions on music based on what the artists think of their work then , for example, I would not have bothered with Van Morrison's work, cause his ' dissed' most of his too  I do find some artists in retrospect trying to defend certain albums or the opposite. Mike Oldfield was completely surprised at how well received ' Amarok' was. Now considered one of his best albums. Finally on PA the review ratings system does work by and large, even if sometimes individually we may disagree with a rating. NSD for me is one of my most pleasure listens this year
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verslibre
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Posted: December 13 2013 at 17:13 |
ghost_of_morphy wrote:
What a sorry state of affairs that we are discussing Black Sabbath in the main prog forums and yet Boston can't even get into prog related. There are days that I wonder if people still remember what prog is. |
Which aspect(s) of Boston would you deem prog-related? Boston is the AOR poster child, as far I can, er, hear. I'd wager Foreigner has a better chance of being prog-related than Boston.
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verslibre
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Posted: December 13 2013 at 17:16 |
And yes, I am a fan of Black Sabbath: all eras, which includes Ozz, Dio (favorite albums are with him), Ian, Glenn, Ray Gillen (unreleased version of Eternal Idol) and Tony Martin.
The only singer who sang with Sabbath whose voice really didn't fit was...Halford. Fine for Priest, but so wrong for Sabbath!
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Posted: December 13 2013 at 17:30 |
Haven't decided the best yet, I think it will be Vol 4 or Master of Reality.
Although I'm very surprised with 13 as well!
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Posted: December 13 2013 at 17:30 |
Albums: everything up to Sabotage + Heaven and Hell
Tracks (bold font ones within the proggiest) Fairies Wear Boots Solitude Children of the Grave Sabbath Bloody Sabbath A National Acrobat Air Dance Children of the Sea The Sign of the Southern Cross Disturbing the Priest
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