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toolis 
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 Posted: February 19 2007 at 04:50 |
 video vertigo wrote:
toolis wrote:
Jim Garten wrote:
laplace wrote:
there's certainly a brainless resurgence happening, particularly in the Saw series of films. |
Afraid I have to disagree completely here; I consider 'Saw' to be an excellent movie; very low budget & filmed in less than 10 days, the central concept of the film was (shock, horror) original, the atmosphere portrayed was genuinely claustrophobic - sure, there were the obligatory gory scenes, but there were enough plot twists & turns to keep the interest. 'Saw II' was OK, but quite a step down from the original, saved by the central character's interaction with the police captain throughout the movie & the nice (if predictable) denoument of the son being "...in a safe place" all along. Looking forward to seeing 'Saw III', though a little worried that apparently 'Saw IV' is to be released later this year - I predict the law of diminishing quality & returns which saw Clive Barker's 'Hellraiser' reduced from iconic to risible...
On another subject, I agree completely with two of BaldJean's recommendations:
'Blair Witch' was low budget, but original & genuinely scary; it suffered though from its own pre-release over-hype - had it been released without all this, I think it could have gone on to be a real cult classic (although this means the makers would not have become so rich  ).
'The Usual Suspects'... what can I say that hasn't already been said? Gabriel Byrne & Kevin Spaceys' finest roles in one of the best written crime films of the last couple of decades - outstanding!
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Saw III is awfull... it's more gore than plot... a real disappointment... Saw I was great, brilliant... Saw II was ok but it was too silly that they didn't search the area and find the kid in the vault... anyway... |
I really enjoyed the Saw I. I was looking foward to getting Saw II and III, now not so much.  |
don't be disappointed.. there are a lot of brilliant horror movies out there.. still, Saw II is worth watching it, it just doesn't reach the first one's standards...
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Posted: February 19 2007 at 04:43 |
toolis wrote:
Jim Garten wrote:
laplace wrote:
there's certainly a brainless resurgence happening, particularly in the Saw series of films. |
Afraid I have to disagree completely here; I consider 'Saw' to be an excellent movie; very low budget & filmed in less than 10 days, the central concept of the film was (shock, horror) original, the atmosphere portrayed was genuinely claustrophobic - sure, there were the obligatory gory scenes, but there were enough plot twists & turns to keep the interest. 'Saw II' was OK, but quite a step down from the original, saved by the central character's interaction with the police captain throughout the movie & the nice (if predictable) denoument of the son being "...in a safe place" all along. Looking forward to seeing 'Saw III', though a little worried that apparently 'Saw IV' is to be released later this year - I predict the law of diminishing quality & returns which saw Clive Barker's 'Hellraiser' reduced from iconic to risible...
On another subject, I agree completely with two of BaldJean's recommendations:
'Blair Witch' was low budget, but original & genuinely scary; it suffered though from its own pre-release over-hype - had it been released without all this, I think it could have gone on to be a real cult classic (although this means the makers would not have become so rich ).
'The Usual Suspects'... what can I say that hasn't already been said? Gabriel Byrne & Kevin Spaceys' finest roles in one of the best written crime films of the last couple of decades - outstanding!
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Saw III is awfull... it's more gore than plot... a real disappointment... Saw I was great, brilliant... Saw II was ok but it was too silly that they didn't search the area and find the kid in the vault... anyway... |
I really enjoyed the Saw I. I was looking foward to getting Saw II and III, now not so much.
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toolis
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Posted: February 19 2007 at 04:28 |
Jim Garten wrote:
laplace wrote:
there's certainly a brainless resurgence happening, particularly in the Saw series of films. |
Afraid I have to disagree completely here; I consider 'Saw' to be an excellent movie; very low budget & filmed in less than 10 days, the central concept of the film was (shock, horror) original, the atmosphere portrayed was genuinely claustrophobic - sure, there were the obligatory gory scenes, but there were enough plot twists & turns to keep the interest. 'Saw II' was OK, but quite a step down from the original, saved by the central character's interaction with the police captain throughout the movie & the nice (if predictable) denoument of the son being "...in a safe place" all along. Looking forward to seeing 'Saw III', though a little worried that apparently 'Saw IV' is to be released later this year - I predict the law of diminishing quality & returns which saw Clive Barker's 'Hellraiser' reduced from iconic to risible...
On another subject, I agree completely with two of BaldJean's recommendations:
'Blair Witch' was low budget, but original & genuinely scary; it suffered though from its own pre-release over-hype - had it been released without all this, I think it could have gone on to be a real cult classic (although this means the makers would not have become so rich ).
'The Usual Suspects'... what can I say that hasn't already been said? Gabriel Byrne & Kevin Spaceys' finest roles in one of the best written crime films of the last couple of decades - outstanding!
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Saw III is awfull... it's more gore than plot... a real disappointment... Saw I was great, brilliant... Saw II was ok but it was too silly that they didn't search the area and find the kid in the vault... anyway...
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kazansky
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Posted: February 19 2007 at 04:22 |
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I continue along my odyssey of watching many different movies over the past couple of weeks .... my opinions on the latest:The Departed (2006) - Amazing. Brilliant. Martin Scorcese, Jack Nicholson, and I'll just stop there, there's no need to go on. If you like good Mafia/Crime movies, you need to see it.
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The Departed is good, but i prefer the original movie, the Infernal Affairs, starred by Andy Lau and Tony Leung.
I found that Infernal Affairs were more a serious movie, and The Departed rather entertaining more than a serious movie.
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video vertigo
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Posted: February 19 2007 at 04:09 |
enteredwinter wrote:
I continue along my odyssey of watching many different movies over the past couple of weeks .... my opinions on the latest:The Departed (2006) - Amazing. Brilliant. Martin Scorcese, Jack Nicholson, and I'll just stop there, there's no need to go on. If you like good Mafia/Crime movies, you need to see it.Serenity (2005) - So disappointing. I had heard great things about this, supposedly it is one of the greatest sci-fi movies of recent times. It was based off of a canceled TV show, I think the show was called Firefly or something like that. Two key phrases there are "cancelled" and "TV show". The movie just feels like a TV show, and not a very good one at that. I gave it a 6/10 on IMDB - great visuals, mediocre acting, boring plot. Has anyone else seen this? I'm interested to hear other opinions.
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I really liked Serenity, yes it was very low budget, yes the actors are all TV actors. i think if you didn't see at least one or two episodes of the show Firefly you wouldn't like the film. I liked the show very much and wish it weren't cancelled. I think there were too many characters and too broad a setting to understand either the film or the series without seeing both.
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Posted: February 19 2007 at 03:54 |
laplace wrote:
there's certainly a brainless resurgence happening, particularly in the Saw series of films. |
Afraid I have to disagree completely here; I consider 'Saw' to be an excellent movie; very low budget & filmed in less than 10 days, the central concept of the film was (shock, horror) original, the atmosphere portrayed was genuinely claustrophobic - sure, there were the obligatory gory scenes, but there were enough plot twists & turns to keep the interest. 'Saw II' was OK, but quite a step down from the original, saved by the central character's interaction with the police captain throughout the movie & the nice (if predictable) denoument of the son being "...in a safe place" all along. Looking forward to seeing 'Saw III', though a little worried that apparently 'Saw IV' is to be released later this year - I predict the law of diminishing quality & returns which saw Clive Barker's 'Hellraiser' reduced from iconic to risible...
On another subject, I agree completely with two of BaldJean's recommendations:
'Blair Witch' was low budget, but original & genuinely scary; it suffered though from its own pre-release over-hype - had it been released without all this, I think it could have gone on to be a real cult classic (although this means the makers would not have become so rich ).
'The Usual Suspects'... what can I say that hasn't already been said? Gabriel Byrne & Kevin Spaceys' finest roles in one of the best written crime films of the last couple of decades - outstanding!
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toolis
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Posted: February 19 2007 at 02:45 |
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American History X
Fight Club
Lost Highway
City Of God
Interview With The Vampire
Donnie Brasco
Requiem For A Dream
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-music is like pornography...
sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more...
-sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue...
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kazansky
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Posted: February 19 2007 at 02:28 |
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Greenmiles, starred by Tom Hanks, a pretty good movie
Malena, starred by Monica Belucci, also good
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enteredwinter
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Posted: February 19 2007 at 00:40 |
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I continue along my odyssey of watching many different movies over the past couple of weeks .... my opinions on the latest:
The Departed (2006) - Amazing. Brilliant. Martin Scorcese, Jack Nicholson, and I'll just stop there, there's no need to go on. If you like good Mafia/Crime movies, you need to see it.
Serenity (2005) - So disappointing. I had heard great things about this, supposedly it is one of the greatest sci-fi movies of recent times. It was based off of a canceled TV show, I think the show was called Firefly or something like that. Two key phrases there are "cancelled" and "TV show". The movie just feels like a TV show, and not a very good one at that. I gave it a 6/10 on IMDB - great visuals, mediocre acting, boring plot. Has anyone else seen this? I'm interested to hear other opinions.
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Posted: February 18 2007 at 20:13 |
 very moving  .
Edited by king of Siam - February 18 2007 at 20:14
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Forgotten Son
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Posted: February 18 2007 at 16:07 |
laplace wrote:
there's certainly a brainless resurgence happening, particularly in the Saw series of films. but I think there are a long line of gore exploitation films that go back decades.
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I wouldn't say the Saw films are "brainless", well at least not the first one.
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Posted: February 18 2007 at 13:28 |
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Has anyone seen "9 Songs"???
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BaldJean
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Posted: February 18 2007 at 13:22 |
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another movie I really loved was "The Usual Suspects". a great twist ending which completely floored me the first time I saw it
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Posted: February 18 2007 at 12:53 |
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He has this unique style of mixing the story in a very parallel way, he really rocks
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Posted: February 18 2007 at 12:51 |
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I haven't seen Amores Perros, but 21 Grams by the same director is great. |
ANd to complete the Trilogy you could watch "Babel" which is nominated to Best Picture and many categories including Best Director (Alejandro Gonzalez Ińarritu, Mexican BTW  ), his 3 films are pretty alike, all are great IMO!
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Posted: February 17 2007 at 22:50 |
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Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas is amazing. I recommend that movie. It really brings the book to life.
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video vertigo
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Posted: February 17 2007 at 22:48 |
I really really didn't like the Kill Bill movies. It seemed like the story line was thought up after all the action scenes, it was so predictable, I knew the ending of the 2nd before the 1st one ended and I was totally accurate in all my predictions as the movie progressed. No story all action completely 
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Posted: February 17 2007 at 22:47 |
BaldJean wrote:
The T wrote:
sleeper wrote:
The T wrote:
sleeper wrote:
BaldJean wrote:
I just remembered "Blair Witch Project" again, one of the few movies that made Friede and me sit speechless in our chairs at the cinema for some time while all around us people streamed out of it. that does not happen very often, so that movie definitely hit a nerve with us |
I'll second the recomendation for Blair Witch Project. It feels so real that it really did scare me, one of very few films to do that (Hideo Nakata's Ring is about the only other one).
Mike mentioned Kill Bill. The first film I found was very good but Kill Bill Volume 2 was very poor IMO.
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In this case I won't second....for my taste is utter garbage and the start of the "cheap thrills through no-story" movemente of horror flicks....
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Personnally I see the start of that kind of flick to be Scream, which was OK but all follow-ups and other films in that mold are utter trash. I never did see it as cheap thrills as it never attempts to scare and shock by showing you the monster and gory scenes as many others do, but through building up suspense and through strange events. Something I do enjoy.
I'm not saying you have to like it but its definitely not a "cheap thrills" film.
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maybe not in the "i'll show you an open stomach, you'll get scared" kind of way... but I think the same effect is accomplished with the use of sound (or lack thereof), lightning (or lack thereof), and the appearance of "documentary"... No story, no building up suspense (there's no build-up but a constant "oh, oh!") and lame strange events...
But I'd agree that is better than most of the repugnant "hostels" of today... at least it was somewhat innovative... Sorry, I need my movies with some story. Even my horror flicks. Difference of taste, you know? Maybe I gave it the wrong name with "cheap thrills", but it's cheap anyway...for me.
You're right in blaming "scream" for the new wave of crap, though.... that one started it all. ..  |
but there clearly WAS a story to "Blair Witch Project". the movie is very reminiscent of the Sartrč play "Huis-clos" ("No Exit"), which contains the famos line "L'enfer, c'est les autres" ("hell are the others"). and that's exactly the way it is in "Blair Witch Project". "Huis-clos" is a 3-person play too (if you don't count the very marginal character of the waiter) |
no need for the showing off here   ... maybe it's similar to a Sartre play, maybe it's similar to a Cervantes novel, to a Shakespearean drama, to a Icazaean (a writer from my country) popular tale, to whatever you want... that doesn't mean the story is good. that just means is similar to something, that's it.... Was Sartre mainly a novelist? Yes, he wrote a few, but his biggest work is in philosophy... so I think that "similar to Sartre" doesn't equal "good". In fact, thank God cinema and literature-writing are two different languages... one can drink from the other, but that's it.... in movies, you tell whatever you want to tell with images, with visuals (was it Francois Truffaut or Georges Sadoul that said: "a theater-play should be understood by a bilnd man; a movie by a deaf man"... so the two are different languages.... but to MY taste, I prefer my movies with at least something resembling an interesting story.... and even if we agree that Sartre himself wrote the story for "Blair Witch", for me it's bordering on crap. So there's no need to enlighten me, it's not a matter of education and culture (which I can see you have quite a lot my friend, and ) but a matter of taste. And for my taste, the story is garbage. You can say it's a play.... well.... that movie so depends on lightining and camera-position, that I don't see any posibility of it being set on a stage... or maybe... I just know that I don't know anything... But I know what I like...
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Posted: February 17 2007 at 21:47 |
The T wrote:
sleeper wrote:
The T wrote:
sleeper wrote:
BaldJean wrote:
I just remembered "Blair Witch Project" again, one of the few movies that made Friede and me sit speechless in our chairs at the cinema for some time while all around us people streamed out of it. that does not happen very often, so that movie definitely hit a nerve with us |
I'll second the recomendation for Blair Witch Project. It feels so real that it really did scare me, one of very few films to do that (Hideo Nakata's Ring is about the only other one).
Mike mentioned Kill Bill. The first film I found was very good but Kill Bill Volume 2 was very poor IMO.
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In this case I won't second....for my taste is utter garbage and the start of the "cheap thrills through no-story" movemente of horror flicks....
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Personnally I see the start of that kind of flick to be Scream, which was OK but all follow-ups and other films in that mold are utter trash. I never did see it as cheap thrills as it never attempts to scare and shock by showing you the monster and gory scenes as many others do, but through building up suspense and through strange events. Something I do enjoy.
I'm not saying you have to like it but its definitely not a "cheap thrills" film.
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maybe not in the "i'll show you an open stomach, you'll get scared" kind of way... but I think the same effect is accomplished with the use of sound (or lack thereof), lightning (or lack thereof), and the appearance of "documentary"... No story, no building up suspense (there's no build-up but a constant "oh, oh!") and lame strange events...
But I'd agree that is better than most of the repugnant "hostels" of today... at least it was somewhat innovative... Sorry, I need my movies with some story. Even my horror flicks. Difference of taste, you know? Maybe I gave it the wrong name with "cheap thrills", but it's cheap anyway...for me.
You're right in blaming "scream" for the new wave of crap, though.... that one started it all. .. |
but there clearly WAS a story to "Blair Witch Project". the movie is very reminiscent of the Sartrč play "Huis-clos" ("No Exit"), which contains the famos line "L'enfer, c'est les autres" ("hell are the others"). and that's exactly the way it is in "Blair Witch Project". "Huis-clos" is a 3-person play too (if you don't count the very marginal character of the waiter)
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Posted: February 17 2007 at 21:33 |
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there's certainly a brainless resurgence happening, particularly in the Saw series of films. but I think there are a long line of gore exploitation films that go back decades.
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