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The T
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Posted: February 17 2007 at 21:19 |
sleeper wrote:
The T wrote:
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BaldJean wrote:
I just remembered "Blair Witch Project" again, one of the few movies that made Friede and me sit speechless in our chairs at the cinema for some time while all around us people streamed out of it. that does not happen very often, so that movie definitely hit a nerve with us |
I'll second the recomendation for Blair Witch Project. It feels so real that it really did scare me, one of very few films to do that (Hideo Nakata's Ring is about the only other one).
Mike mentioned Kill Bill. The first film I found was very good but Kill Bill Volume 2 was very poor IMO.
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In this case I won't second....for my taste is utter garbage and the start of the "cheap thrills through no-story" movemente of horror flicks....
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Personnally I see the start of that kind of flick to be Scream, which was OK but all follow-ups and other films in that mold are utter trash. I never did see it as cheap thrills as it never attempts to scare and shock by showing you the monster and gory scenes as many others do, but through building up suspense and through strange events. Something I do enjoy.
I'm not saying you have to like it but its definitely not a "cheap thrills" film.
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maybe not in the "i'll show you an open stomach, you'll get scared" kind of way... but I think the same effect is accomplished with the use of sound (or lack thereof), lightning (or lack thereof), and the appearance of "documentary"... No story, no building up suspense (there's no build-up but a constant "oh, oh!") and lame strange events...
But I'd agree that is better than most of the repugnant "hostels" of today... at least it was somewhat innovative... Sorry, I need my movies with some story. Even my horror flicks. Difference of taste, you know? Maybe I gave it the wrong name with "cheap thrills", but it's cheap anyway...for me.
You're right in blaming "scream" for the new wave of crap, though.... that one started it all. .. 
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Posted: February 17 2007 at 20:55 |
The T wrote:
sleeper wrote:
BaldJean wrote:
I just remembered "Blair Witch Project" again, one of the few movies that made Friede and me sit speechless in our chairs at the cinema for some time while all around us people streamed out of it. that does not happen very often, so that movie definitely hit a nerve with us |
I'll second the recomendation for Blair Witch Project. It feels so real that it really did scare me, one of very few films to do that (Hideo Nakata's Ring is about the only other one).
Mike mentioned Kill Bill. The first film I found was very good but Kill Bill Volume 2 was very poor IMO.
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In this case I won't second....for my taste is utter garbage and the start of the "cheap thrills through no-story" movemente of horror flicks....
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Personnally I see the start of that kind of flick to be Scream, which was OK but all follow-ups and other films in that mold are utter trash. I never did see it as cheap thrills as it never attempts to scare and shock by showing you the monster and gory scenes as many others do, but through building up suspense and through strange events. Something I do enjoy. I'm not saying you have to like it but its definitely not a "cheap thrills" film.
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Posted: February 17 2007 at 20:50 |
laplace wrote:
A lot of people find film perfection in empty spaces, striking locations or minimalism. you have to bear in mind that a critic will jump on a chance to advocate some unlikely flaw of a film as a new way of doing things and popularise something terrible.
I'm upset that Audition is Takashe Miike's most famous movie when it should be something like Dead or Alive 2.
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Audition may be his most famous movie, but I doubt its his best. A lot of his other films (and there are a LOT) seem more to my taste, including the Dead Or Alive series, I just havent had the chance to see them yet unfortunatly.
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Posted: February 17 2007 at 20:08 |
A lot of people find film perfection in empty spaces, striking locations or minimalism. you have to bear in mind that a critic will jump on a chance to advocate some unlikely flaw of a film as a new way of doing things and popularise something terrible.
I'm upset that Audition is Takashe Miike's most famous movie when it should be something like Dead or Alive 2.
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Posted: February 17 2007 at 20:02 |
sleeper wrote:
BaldJean wrote:
I just remembered "Blair Witch Project" again, one of the few movies that made Friede and me sit speechless in our chairs at the cinema for some time while all around us people streamed out of it. that does not happen very often, so that movie definitely hit a nerve with us |
I'll second the recomendation for Blair Witch Project. It feels so real that it really did scare me, one of very few films to do that (Hideo Nakata's Ring is about the only other one).
Mike mentioned Kill Bill. The first film I found was very good but Kill Bill Volume 2 was very poor IMO.
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In this case I won't second....for my taste is utter garbage and the start of the "cheap thrills through no-story" movemente of horror flicks....
I'm not going against innovation... I'm not saying only films with good stories work... I'm not saying a good screenplay is absolutely necessary (Jean Luc G..?) but something is necessary... and Bliar Witch has none for me.
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Posted: February 17 2007 at 19:22 |
BaldJean wrote:
I just remembered "Blair Witch Project" again, one of the few movies that made Friede and me sit speechless in our chairs at the cinema for some time while all around us people streamed out of it. that does not happen very often, so that movie definitely hit a nerve with us
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I'll second the recomendation for Blair Witch Project. It feels so real that it really did scare me, one of very few films to do that (Hideo Nakata's Ring is about the only other one). Mike mentioned Kill Bill. The first film I found was very good but Kill Bill Volume 2 was very poor IMO.
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Posted: February 17 2007 at 13:13 |
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Les Miserables (1995)
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Agreed!
Another good one was Le Fabuleux Destin d'Amelie Poulain
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Posted: February 17 2007 at 12:26 |
some great movies are below your 7.3 mark; one of the best SF/horror movies ever, "Phase IV", only reaches 6.1. but then it is one of those slow-paced horror movies. one of the very best and scary (yes, scary!) scenes is of a single ant crawling up an arm (if I remember right; it might have been a leg). it is a single ant only, but at that point in the movie your nerves are already so much on edge that you feel threatened by it. now that's what I call true horror! and the ants really haven't done anything much so far, just showing a kind of intelligent behavior. it is as if not the scientists are studying the ants but the ants are studying the scientists. and this is what makes the movie feel "scary". but many people don't seem to get that, and the pace of the movie appears to be too slow for them
Edited by BaldJean - February 17 2007 at 12:27
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Posted: February 17 2007 at 11:54 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
I usually use imdb.com to get a general idea about what to expect ... I browse the collection of the dvd rental store for new movies and if the imdb rating is below 5 I usually keep away. But there are some movies that I really love which don't score much higher ... I guess that's a matter of personal taste. But if the imdb.com rating is above 7 it is a really good indication that the movie is really, really good ... so far I've never been disappointed.
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Agreed 100% I've been using IMDB as I explore the movies I've been talking about in this thread, and my general standard is to only look at movies that have 7+ ratings. Of course, that will exclude some really good movies, but as a general standard it works well. My threshold is actually generally to look at movies that have 7.3 or above. That's the level at which you pretty much know with absolute certainty that it'll be a good movie, as long as you like the genre (I'm not about to watch any Hugh Grant romance movie, for example, even if it has a freakin' 8.0).
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Posted: February 17 2007 at 08:40 |
I usually use imdb.com to get a general idea about what to expect ... I browse the collection of the dvd rental store for new movies and if the imdb rating is below 5 I usually keep away. But there are some movies that I really love which don't score much higher ... I guess that's a matter of personal taste. But if the imdb.com rating is above 7 it is a really good indication that the movie is really, really good ... so far I've never been disappointed.
Edited by MikeEnRegalia - February 17 2007 at 08:41
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Posted: February 17 2007 at 08:37 |
Kill Bill has my favourite kung-fu actor in it - both parts in fact, but in different roles. He's called Gordon Liu and he was in all the best shaw brother's films, like Master Killer (The 36th Chamber of Shaolin)
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BaldJean
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Posted: February 17 2007 at 08:35 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
A few weeks ago I watched Kill Bill 1 ... also for the first time. It's really, really excellent ... and immediately afterwards I thought "what a shame that I will never again have the pleasure to watch this movie for the first time".
A true masterpiece, excelled only by the second part (which I haven't seen yet, but I trust imdb.com in that regard ).
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imdb.com can usually be trusted, though some of my favorite movies don't get the acclaim they deserve in my opinion. and some excellent little movies, like "De Wisselwachter" ("The Pointsman"), hardly get any comments at all. but that's probably their fate
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Posted: February 17 2007 at 08:24 |
A few weeks ago I watched Kill Bill 1 ... also for the first time. It's really, really excellent ... and immediately afterwards I thought "what a shame that I will never again have the pleasure to watch this movie for the first time". A true masterpiece, excelled only by the second part (which I haven't seen yet, but I trust imdb.com in that regard  ).
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Posted: February 17 2007 at 08:13 |
Les Miserables (1995)
it's a good movie
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The devil we blame our atrocities on is really just each one of us.
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BaldJean
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Posted: February 17 2007 at 07:20 |
I just remembered "Blair Witch Project" again, one of the few movies that made Friede and me sit speechless in our chairs at the cinema for some time while all around us people streamed out of it. that does not happen very often, so that movie definitely hit a nerve with us
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A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta
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Posted: February 17 2007 at 07:02 |
^ agreed. I already know most movies with Al Pacino - Scarface was one of the few exceptions.
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Posted: February 17 2007 at 05:58 |
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Posted: February 17 2007 at 05:56 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
You should see the pic now ... I also added the name of the movie.
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I see the picture. I haven't seen that movie yet. I plan to sometime though.
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Posted: February 17 2007 at 05:55 |
You should see the pic now ... I also added the name of the movie.
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Posted: February 17 2007 at 05:52 |
Falling Flower wrote:
Ooo another good one is Lolita (based on the book by Vladimar Nabokov, great book too btw!) |
i haven't read the book. but it's a good movie indeed
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