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BaldJean 
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 Posted: March 16 2009 at 12:38 |
 progmetalhead wrote:
BaldJean wrote:
Sasquamo wrote:
Zargus wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Sasquamo wrote:
Have you ever been Roman Catholic? Maybe it's not based on fear, but it definitely made me scared. For further support, check out page ten of this thread, where you said that those who believe in God do not worry and immediately three different people said they worried more when they were religious.
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I have been Roman Catholic for 44 tyears and never felt fear, I know God forgives any sin.
If somebody feels fear, well probablt doesn't know too much aboput Catholicism.
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If he does what is hell for then?
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Hell is for those who are unrepentant or whose apologies God doesn't accept due to insincerity. And there's no way of knowing for sure if you're forgiven or not, hence the worrying. What if you're not sure if you're being sincere in asking for forgiveness? Is just being sorry enough, or do you need to pray specifically for forgiveness, or is going to Confession the only thing that will work? After a while when you hurt somebody, concern for the person you actually hurt takes a back seat to concern over getting forgiven. It's a huge load of BS and one of the many reasons why I hate religion.
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I won't even argue whether you are right or wrong about Roman-Catholicism. you do, however, make the mistake of concluding "since Roman Catholicism is BS (as you put it), all religion is BS". that's a rather unfounded assumption.
and, as remarked before, it has nothing whatever to do with the possible existence of a deity. even if all religions were "wrong" (whatever that means in that context) there still could be a deity. this is simple so because all religions create an image of a deity, and that image may have nothing whatever in common with the true nature of the deity
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I've seen this several times now and I'm puzzled. Am I wrong in suggesting that we were supposedly created in his image? As written by the same people who eventually created the bible. ....of which all the bits that were slightly controversial or suggested otherwise were left out by a later "court". ...and which some people live and die by? Didn't a decent chap called Jesus "walk" the earth, supposedly his son? (alongside tens of others by the way that were calling themselves the messiah at the time) I tell you what I'll write a book and leave out all the good bits and call it a work of fiction. Nuff said.
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you are wrong; this is only true (and not even in the sense you use it) for all religions who are of Jewish offspring. anyway, that was not what I said at all. all religions ascribe certain properties to their deity, thus creating an image of it, would you not agree? now let us just assume for a moment that there is a God indeed, then who says he or she or it is as any of these religions proclaim? if God indeed is such a superior being, then how can we mere humans be expected to grasp his/her/its true nature at all? it is just as impossible for us as it is impossible for an ant to grasp the nature of a human being. of course it has to be noted that you, as several others before, picked on a certain religion and generalized from there
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: March 16 2009 at 12:11 |
Rocktopus wrote:
Sasquamo calls one aspect concerning the Roman Catholic Church bullsh*t, and if you're personally offended by that it is your problem, not his. He doesn't know your personal religious beliefs, and can't be accused of offending it. Everyone knows that the Roman Catholic Church has much blood (and sperm) on its hands and fancy dresses over the centuries. It cannot simply demand respect from anyone, instead they should work hard to earn/regain it. [/quote
If a person calls a band or an album Bullsh!t or crap, people protest and askl the administratotrs to remove the post, but if the most persobnal beliefs of a person are called equallym, it's my problem according to you.
If Sasquamo had talked about acts of the Church, I would had said nothing, but he's talking about our BELIEFS,
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Hell is for those who are unrepentant or whose apologies God doesn't accept due to insincerity. And there's no way of knowing for sure if you're forgiven or not, hence the worrying. What if you're not sure if you're being sincere in asking for forgiveness? Is just being sorry enough, or do you need to pray specifically for forgiveness, or is going to Confession the only thing that will work? After a while when you hurt somebody, concern for the person you actually hurt takes a back seat to concern over getting forgiven. It's a huge load of BS and one of the many reasons why I hate religion. |
That's different, probably you don't understand it, something that doesn't amaze me at all having read some of your previous posts on other threads, but that's not the way we act hera,or at least most of us..
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Criticizing (or hating) something a religious organisation stands for or does, is not a direct insult towards you or any person. I haven't seen Sasquamo insulting you anywhere.
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It's his problem to hate the Catholic Church, but he's not attacking the institution, he's attackig THE BELIFS, and that's offensive here and in China, and then some AAtheists clain they are maligned.
lus it's absurd, if you don't know if you are being sincere, you are not being sincere.
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But it's because I also know that Ivàn can be (easily) insulted when I state that the institution he regards as infaillible, |
That's not accurate Sean, in a few posts before i wrote about sonme differences between me and the Catholic Church:
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Exactly Jean,
Catholic Church doesn't admit abortion at all, I believe it's wrong, to reject:
- Rape
- Terminal illness of the phoetus as Tay Sachs
- Therapeutical Abortion (Already accepted by the church when the mother's life is at risk)
I try to practice all the rules, but I would be stupid if I had sex with a woman i don't have an AIDS test taken the same day without a condom.
Even before AIDS, I used condoms because it's more irresponsable to leave babies all around.
So we have some discresion, maybe the Church doesn't accept this beliefs, but I'm sure that a perfect being as God will understand my motives, he gave us brains to decide what's wrong and right.
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If i thought the Catholic Church is infallible, I would be talking against the condoms and abortion in every case, but I'm not doing that, I believe the Church as any institution is fallible, and the Inquisition for which the Pope had to ask forgiveness, is a proff of that.
[quote=Sean Trane]but his doctrine tells him they're (Vatican) infaillible |
That's false Sean, the vatican has no doctrinary infallibuility, as any institution it has mistakes because it's formed by men, the bishops and Archbishops are infallible, even the Pope is fallible except when he's talking ex-cathedra about faith issues exclusively..
So yes, i know (And you know I do, becaus we talked about this same issue before) teh Ctholic Church is fallible.
You are arational person Sean, we had a 15 pages debate without a single insult or offense, let thjem attack the institution as much as they want, but calling my beliefs bull sh!t, is an insult and you know that.
Iván
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Posted: March 16 2009 at 11:45 |
BaldJean wrote:
Sasquamo wrote:
Zargus wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Sasquamo wrote:
Have you ever been Roman Catholic? Maybe it's not based on fear, but it definitely made me scared. For further support, check out page ten of this thread, where you said that those who believe in God do not worry and immediately three different people said they worried more when they were religious.
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I have been Roman Catholic for 44 tyears and never felt fear, I know God forgives any sin.
If somebody feels fear, well probablt doesn't know too much aboput Catholicism.
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If he does what is hell for then?
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Hell is for those who are unrepentant or whose apologies God doesn't accept due to insincerity. And there's no way of knowing for sure if you're forgiven or not, hence the worrying. What if you're not sure if you're being sincere in asking for forgiveness? Is just being sorry enough, or do you need to pray specifically for forgiveness, or is going to Confession the only thing that will work? After a while when you hurt somebody, concern for the person you actually hurt takes a back seat to concern over getting forgiven. It's a huge load of BS and one of the many reasons why I hate religion.
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I won't even argue whether you are right or wrong about Roman-Catholicism. you do, however, make the mistake of concluding "since Roman Catholicism is BS (as you put it), all religion is BS". that's a rather unfounded assumption.
and, as remarked before, it has nothing whatever to do with the possible existence of a deity. even if all religions were "wrong" (whatever that means in that context) there still could be a deity. this is simple so because all religions create an image of a deity, and that image may have nothing whatever in common with the true nature of the deity
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I've seen this several times now and I'm puzzled. Am I wrong in suggesting that we were supposedly created in his image? As written by the same people who eventually created the bible. ....of which all the bits that were slightly controversial or suggested otherwise were left out by a later "court". ...and which some people live and die by? Didn't a decent chap called Jesus "walk" the earth, supposedly his son? (alongside tens of others by the way that were calling themselves the messiah at the time) I tell you what I'll write a book and leave out all the good bits and call it a work of fiction. Nuff said.
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BaldJean
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Posted: March 16 2009 at 11:24 |
Sasquamo wrote:
Zargus wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Sasquamo wrote:
Have you ever been Roman Catholic? Maybe it's not based on fear, but it definitely made me scared. For further support, check out page ten of this thread, where you said that those who believe in God do not worry and immediately three different people said they worried more when they were religious.
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I have been Roman Catholic for 44 tyears and never felt fear, I know God forgives any sin.
If somebody feels fear, well probablt doesn't know too much aboput Catholicism.
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If he does what is hell for then?
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Hell is for those who are unrepentant or whose apologies God doesn't accept due to insincerity. And there's no way of knowing for sure if you're forgiven or not, hence the worrying. What if you're not sure if you're being sincere in asking for forgiveness? Is just being sorry enough, or do you need to pray specifically for forgiveness, or is going to Confession the only thing that will work? After a while when you hurt somebody, concern for the person you actually hurt takes a back seat to concern over getting forgiven. It's a huge load of BS and one of the many reasons why I hate religion.
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I won't even argue whether you are right or wrong about Roman-Catholicism. you do, however, make the mistake of concluding "since Roman Catholicism is BS (as you put it), all religion is BS". that's a rather unfounded assumption. and, as remarked before, it has nothing whatever to do with the possible existence of a deity. even if all religions were "wrong" (whatever that means in that context) there still could be a deity. this is simple so because all religions create an image of a deity, and that image may have nothing whatever in common with the true nature of the deity
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Posted: March 16 2009 at 11:19 |
 When it comes to peoples belief's and religion there will always be differences, it's not right or wrong here, it's what you believe or not. The ad campaign was in answer to a previous overtly christian camapaign that caused as much offense and upset to others as this ad camapaign has.
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Posted: March 16 2009 at 10:21 |
BaldJean wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
Rocktopus wrote:
Sasquamo calls one aspect concerning the Roman Catholic Church bullsh*t, and if you're personally offended by that it is your problem, not his. He doesn't know your personal religious beliefs, and can't be accused of offending it. Everyone knows that the Roman Catholic Church has much blood (and sperm) on its hands and fancy dresses over the centuries. It cannot simply demand respect from anyone, instead they should work hard to earn/regain it.
Criticizing (or hating) something a religious organisation stands for or does, is not a direct insult towards you or any person. I haven't seen Sasquamo insulting you anywhere.
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Actually I don't think the Vatican is in a position to ask for respect anymore especially after the Brazilian scandal.
How can these bishops be sp stooooooopid????
And then they wonder why they're losing millions of followers to more or less dangerous preaching Evangilists sects or these protestant religions.
Humanity is better without these superstitious beliefs. |
sorry, but I can't agree with you 2. if we follow your logic we could not have any respect for France because of what France did to the Huguenots, we could not have any respect for the USA because of what the USA did to the native Indians, we could not have any respect for Germany because of what Germany did to the Jews, and I am pretty sure that while we leaf through the pages of history we will find some bloodstained pages for any country. I am not trying to defend the Church, but let's keep on the floor, boys.
of course this has nothing to do with the existence of a deity in the first place; this is merely anti-religious, but not atheistic
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Ivàn and I know a few things about discussing religion in all respect 
But it's because I also know that Ivàn can be (easily) insulted when I state that the institution he regards as infaillible, made huge mistakes and still do, and he knows it quite well but his doctrine tells him they're (Vatican) infaillible therefore they're right. If a religious person is easily insulted, it's mostly because the arguments directed at his cause are a little to true and could actually endanger their blind faiths (and that's something they fear above all), which is why they claim getting hurt >>> become a victim and stop discussing.
As for the Huguenots, it was not a french thing, but a Catholic/protestant thing. As for the Amerindians, before it became a US and New Spain issue, it was a Vatican business (convert or eliminate)
and in Germany it's a little different: if the victims were a religion and nationality, the perpetrators were not one the same wavelength religion-wise. The catholics collaborated much (Croatia for ex), but the Nazi were pagans, christians and atheist together.
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Posted: March 16 2009 at 06:34 |
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^You are just being extermely
difficult. I'm writing about the right to critisize, which is much more important to me than not insulting some easily insulted religious person
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BaldJean
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Posted: March 16 2009 at 06:18 |
Sean Trane wrote:
Rocktopus wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Rocktopus wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
In first place, I believe it's
offensive to qualify as BS the beliefs of other persions, and if you
hate religion, your opinion lacks of objectivity.
Iván
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You think your own opinions doesn't lack objectivety?
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Of course they may not be 100% objective.
BUT WE CAN DEMAND RESPECT, I HAVEN'T OFFENDED THE ATHEIST
OR OTHER RELIGIOUS BELIEFS IN ANY WAY, CALLING MY RELIGIOUS BELIEFS
BULL SH!T IS A DIRECT INSULT.
Iván |
Sasquamo calls one aspect concerning the
Roman Catholic Church bullsh*t, and if you're personally offended by
that it is your problem, not his. He doesn't know your personal
religious beliefs, and can't be accused of offending it. Everyone knows
that the Roman Catholic Church has much blood (and sperm) on its hands
and fancy dresses over the centuries. It cannot simply demand respect from anyone, instead they should work hard to earn/regain it.
Criticizing (or hating) something a religious organisation stands for or does, is not a direct insult towards you or any person. I haven't seen Sasquamo insulting you anywhere.
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Actually I don't think the Vatican is in a position to ask for respect anymore especially after the Brazilian scandal.
How can these bishops be sp stooooooopid????
And then they wonder why they're losing millions of followers to
more or less dangerous preaching Evangilists sects or these protestant
religions.
Humanity is better without these superstitious beliefs. |
sorry, but I can't agree with you 2. if we follow your logic we could
not have any respect for France because of what France did to the
Huguenots, we could not have any respect for the USA because of what
the USA did to the native Indians, we could not have any respect for
Germany because of what Germany did to the Jews, and I am pretty sure that while we leaf through the pages of history we will find some bloodstained pages for any country. I am not trying to defend the Church, but let's keep on the floor, boys. of course this has nothing to do with the existence of a deity in the first place; this is merely anti-religious, but not atheistic
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Posted: March 16 2009 at 05:39 |
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It's just an ad. No more, no less. Please be kind to one another fellow PA members.
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Posted: March 16 2009 at 05:27 |
 Ashley Tisdale  Hayley Williams. So take your pick of who would be the better Atheist Bus Campaign girl to replace that current chick that isn't even that good looking. (you people have no idea how hard I've tried to at least make this topic remotely on topic) Seriously, is it only me and about, maybe one other person on this forum that is interested in the f
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Posted: March 16 2009 at 05:17 |
Rocktopus wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Rocktopus wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
In first place, I believe it's offensive to qualify as BS the beliefs of other persions, and if you hate religion, your opinion lacks of objectivity.
Iván
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You think your own opinions doesn't lack objectivety?
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Of course they may not be 100% objective.
BUT WE CAN DEMAND RESPECT, I HAVEN'T OFFENDED THE ATHEIST OR OTHER RELIGIOUS BELIEFS IN ANY WAY, CALLING MY RELIGIOUS BELIEFS BULL SH!T IS A DIRECT INSULT.
Iván |
Sasquamo calls one aspect concerning the Roman Catholic Church bullsh*t, and if you're personally offended by that it is your problem, not his. He doesn't know your personal religious beliefs, and can't be accused of offending it. Everyone knows that the Roman Catholic Church has much blood (and sperm) on its hands and fancy dresses over the centuries. It cannot simply demand respect from anyone, instead they should work hard to earn/regain it.
Criticizing (or hating) something a religious organisation stands for or does, is not a direct insult towards you or any person. I haven't seen Sasquamo insulting you anywhere.
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Actually I don't think the Vatican is in a position to ask for respect anymore especially after the Brazilian scandal.
How can these bishops be sp stooooooopid????
And then they wonder why they're losing millions of followers to more or less dangerous preaching Evangilists sects or these protestant religions.
Humanity is better without these superstitious beliefs.
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Posted: March 16 2009 at 04:52 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Rocktopus wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
In first place, I believe it's
offensive to qualify as BS the beliefs of other persions, and if you
hate religion, your opinion lacks of objectivity.
Iván
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You think your own opinions doesn't lack objectivety?
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Of course they may not be 100% objective.
BUT WE CAN DEMAND RESPECT, I HAVEN'T OFFENDED THE ATHEIST
OR OTHER RELIGIOUS BELIEFS IN ANY WAY, CALLING MY RELIGIOUS BELIEFS
BULL SH!T IS A DIRECT INSULT.
Iván |
Sasquamo calls one aspect concerning the Roman Catholic Church bullsh*t,
and if you're personally offended by that it is your problem, not his. He doesn't know your personal religious beliefs, and can't be accused of offending it. Everyone knows that the Roman Catholic Church has much blood (and
sperm) on its hands and fancy dresses over the centuries. It cannot
simply demand respect from anyone, instead they should work hard to earn/regain it. Criticizing (or hating) something a religious organisation stands for or does, is not a direct insult towards you or any person. I haven't seen Sasquamo insulting you anywhere.
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Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
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Posted: March 16 2009 at 02:57 |
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Posted: March 16 2009 at 02:04 |
Sasquamo wrote:
I will never insult a person for having religious beliefs. I may despise the ideology but that doesn't give me any reason to hold something against followers of that ideology.
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Scientologists deserve ridicule for their beliefs. If ridicule = insult, then yes I'm fairly well fine with insulting them.
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Posted: March 15 2009 at 22:28 |
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I will never insult a person for having religious beliefs. I may despise the ideology but that doesn't give me any reason to hold something against followers of that ideology.
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Posted: March 15 2009 at 12:36 |
BaldJean
being religious does NOT mean one has to be uncritical at all; I have no idea where you get that impression from
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Exactly Jean,
Catholic Church doesn't admit abortion at all, I believe it's |
Exactly Jean,
Catholic Church doesn't admit abortion at all, I believe it's wrong, to reject:
- Rape
- Terminal illness of the phoetus as Tay Sachs
- Therapeutical Abortion (Already accepted by the church when the mother's life is at risk)
I try to practice all the rules, but I would be stupid if I had sex with a woman i don't have an AIDS test taken the same day without a condom.
Even before AIDS, I used condoms because it's more irresponsable to leave babies all around.
So we have some dioscresion, maybe the Church doesn't accept this beliefs, but I'm sure that a perfect being as God will understand my motives, he gave us brains to decide what's wrong and right.
Iván
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Posted: March 15 2009 at 12:30 |
Rocktopus wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
In first place, I believe it's offensive to qualify as BS the beliefs of other persions, and if you hate religion, your opinion lacks of objectivity.
Iván
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You think your own opinions doesn't lack objectivety?
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Of course they may not be 100% objective.
BUT WE CAN DEMAND RESPECT, I HAVEN'T OFFENDED THE ATHEIST OR OTHER RELIGIOUS BELIEFS IN ANY WAY, CALLING MY RELIGIOUS BELIEFS BULL SH!T IS A DIRECT INSULT.
Iván
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Posted: March 15 2009 at 09:46 |
Sasquamo wrote:
OK, fine, the dictionary says one thing, but in practical speech, when someone says they believe in something or have faith in something, it is never assumed that they are 100% that they are right and know that there is absolutely no possibility they're wrong. Rather, it means that they have an opinion on the matter. So when someone uses the words "faith" or "belief," just go along with it because you know what they really mean. Let's try not to argue over word choice.
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Sorry, but if someone tells me he believes something then I do assume he believes 100%. That does, however, not mean someone who believes something can't be wrong, it only means that he or she excludes the possibility he or she is wrong, else he or she would say "I have doubts". That's how I use the word, and I expect everyone else to use the word the same way. If you tell your kid "I believe you did not steal $100 from my purse" and then go and check the purse of the kid you did NOT believe the kid; it is as simple as that.
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Posted: March 15 2009 at 09:33 |
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OK, fine, the dictionary says one thing, but in practical speech, when someone says they believe in something or have faith in something, it is never assumed that they are 100% that they are right and know that there is absolutely no possibility they're wrong. Rather, it means that they have an opinion on the matter. So when someone uses the words "faith" or "belief," just go along with it because you know what they really mean. Let's try not to argue over word choice.
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Posted: March 15 2009 at 07:54 |
Sasquamo wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
Roman Catholicism is not based
on fear; that's an obvious misconception. God is forgiving, that's the
basic teaching of Roman Catholicism.
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Have you ever
been Roman Catholic? Maybe it's not based on fear, but it definitely
made me scared. For further support, check out page ten of this
thread, where you said that those who believe in God do not worry and
immediately three different people said they worried more when they
were religious.
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I grew up as a Roman Catholic too, and I never felt scared either.
As to people feeling scared when they were religious: I honestly don't
understand it. The only thing I can believe is that they grew up with
certain religious teachings (in essence, teachings of a vengeful God).
But you can believe in God without having to be
of a certain religion. So what you do is confuse "religion" with
"existence of God". If God exists he will whether there is a religion
or not; it would not change anything about it. As Jean pointed out earlier in the thread: Atheists don't reject God, they reject a certain image of God. I couldn't agree more with them in rejection of that image. However, that has nothing to do with them rejecting God at all. Jean mentioned the essay "Is God a Taoist?" by Raymond Smullyan. I highly support reading it; it is very insightful.
And last but not least: Let's get back to semantics: "Faith" actually means "confidence in
a person or thing". Why should you be afraid when you are confident?
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