The evolution of a creative band

Starhammer wrote: rdtprog wrote: Rune2000 wrote: Why hasn't anyone mentioned King Crimson yet?  Yes, KC has never been pop or commercial, they have been creative from to start to today. Does this mean that they didn't evolve? They evolve in their own way... Are you saying that pop/commercial music isn't creative? Please, there is quite a bunch of innovative pop music out there. Bjork, Massive Attack, Yeasayer...

POP can be creative like many music genres, but there's also a lot of POP bands that i don't consider creative when they sounds like a bunch of bands.

I think bands like Yes, Genesis, and ELP were left with an option to either toe the line or suffer the thrash. I agree that pop/commerical music is produced by creative artists and is seperate for me personally from the bands who sound like everyone else. It is very offensive to fans of music who haven't or don't as a rule make these types of observations. They might ask...."Well, what is he/she saying about my favorite music? But, we should all be able to admit that our favs have released stinkers in the past anyway. Money does enter into it upon other levels besides the approach in music. For example....recent Greg Lake interviews would indicate that he has put the past behind him and he and Emerson get along fine now. I somehow tend to laugh and wonder how much money is on the silver platter for him to calmly make such a statement    But seriously,...did you ever wonder if you...yourself could pay all the utility bills from the sales of Relayer or Works Vol. 2...today?

 Dream Theater's sound became heavier and heavier, ever since Jordan Rudess joined.
Falling into Infinity, Scenes from a Memory, Six Degrees, Train of Thought, each album was heavier than the last.

Why? Because the world was getting darker and darker, and it was Dream Theater's job to fight the dark and evil powers, by recording dark and evil songs

oh yeah. It really helped. "In the Name of God" alone can wipe out legions of religious fanatics. "Beyond This Life" helped catch numerous serial killers, because the song inspired them to kill themselves after killing young girls.


Another great example of band evolution is: The Beatles! They started out as soft pop and bubblegum pop, and later would display elements of metal and ambient electronic (on the White Album).

Miles Davis too, but I'll only talk about his invention of jazz-rock. In a Silent Way is an album similar to Thick as a Brick. Two songs, two long songs, but there is not a dull moment. And it started Jazz Rock. Cheers!

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pianoman wrote: Starhammer wrote: rdtprog wrote: Rune2000 wrote: Why hasn't anyone mentioned King Crimson yet?  Yes, KC has never been pop or commercial, they have been creative from to start to today. Does this mean that they didn't evolve? They evolve in their own way... Are you saying that pop/commercial music isn't creative? Please, there is quite a bunch of innovative pop music out there. Bjork, Massive Attack, Yeasayer... Coldplay, Animal Collective, Nick Drake...

rdtprog wrote: chopper wrote: O666 wrote: rdtprog wrote: pianoman wrote: . What drives bands do change so drastically over a period of time? Thoughts on this? Some have enough money to start doing what they want, Radiiohead and now Linkin Park, for example. Others are tired of doing complex 20 minutes songs and write more concise songs, sometimes pop (Marillion, Genesis). Others are going back to a more hard rock sound (Rush, Dream Theater) But i don't think that it's a big change, it's a need to doing something different, sometimes with discutable results. But when they tried to make pop songs to serve company's needs, they are not a creative band. I dont agree with you and I dont want talk about many of bands that you listed before. I want to talk about MARILLION. You said MARILLION tired of doing 20 min songs and then they write concise and pop songs. SO. can you tell me wich of MARILLION's songs is "complex 20 min" song? And what era you talked about? FISH era or H era? I read this topic question again and then read your post and I think your mean is: MARILLION tired of doing complex 20 min songs IN FISH ERA and write more concise pop songs IN H ERA. is it correct or I'm wrong? Can you explain your mean about MARILLION? Thanks. Maybe an exaggeration - Genesis only had one 20 min song and I only know of one long Marillion one and that's Grendel (don't think it's 20 minutes though). Yes Marillion was a bad example, because they still do some extented songs, but it's not as complex as the songs they did with Fish. i'ts not really pop music, it's just progressive rock with more simple melody, not that it's bad music far from my thought. Is this the evolution of a creative band don't know but it's the evoltion of Marillion. And i don't think Marillion could enter in the category of bands that serve company's needs.

I've only just picked this thread up. I would point out that most Marillion fans would say that the songs have, if anything, become more complex in the Hogarth era.

Tengent wrote: Frank Zappa hardly had any evolution at all. From the beginning of his career, everything was already there in his head. He could write jazz, large orchestral pieces, or string quintets. He had all of his influences and he knew what he wanted in his music. That's one of the reasons he is so inspirational to me. But if a band is dynamic, that's always a fun challenge for listeners. I have not fully developed my writing style to where I can tell if in 5 years I will see every chord I write as the "perfect" or "necessary" one.

Edited by moshkito - December 09 2010 at 14:00

Interesting topic, i remember the case of Tool. In the beginning, the band was doing music like Grunge, almost like Soundgarden (with their respective differences)

But while the years pass , the group evolved to a artistic group, you can see it in  "Aenima" and of course in their Masterpiece "Lateralus"

tamijo wrote: paganinio wrote: oh yeah. It really helped. "In the Name of God" alone can wipe out legions of religious fanatics. "Beyond This Life" helped catch numerous serial killers, because the song inspired them to kill themselves after killing young girls. Another great example of band evolution is: The Beatles! They started out as soft pop and bubblegum pop, and later would display elements of metal and ambient electronic (on the White Album). Miles Davis too, but I'll only talk about his invention of jazz-rock. In a Silent Way is an album similar to Thick as a Brick. Two songs, two long songs, but there is not a dull moment. And it started Jazz Rock. Cheers! Every serius artist evolve, stagnation is for those who lost inspiration, and simply cant come up with anything fresh.

When you look up the word "evolution" in the dictionary, and check the sub-definition of "musical evolution", Miles Davis' picture is right there.