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Wth.. what is this.. where does this fit? |
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 30119 |
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and the original
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 30119 |
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Monsoon - The LP was called Third Eye (not Eastern Eye as I said in earlier reply) , the whole thing is up on Y/T
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Spaciousmind ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: September 07 2020 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 724 |
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You can still find Third Eye cd under the name "Monsoon Featuring Sheila Chandra". It's still a bit pricey around $30-40 if you shop around. It's a better version since it also includes the Hindi versions of Ever So Lonely and Wings of Dawn. I like the Hindi versions: |
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SteveG ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20617 |
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Spaciousmind ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: September 07 2020 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 724 |
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I can visualize this being played as some soundtrack of a movie.
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Spaciousmind ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: September 07 2020 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 724 |
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LOL... that first track sounds like something you want to listen to when having a bath. Definitely weird.
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Blacksword ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
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One of the greatest hit singles of all time. I still love it. |
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Blacksword ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
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As for the track in the OP, the start sounds like cows being electrocuted. The rest is a droning dirge. Experimentation in music is essential of course, but the result needs to be enjoyable to listen to. IMHO.
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I prophesy disaster ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 31 2017 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 4998 |
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The sounds are quite interesting, but I don't think I could listen to them for more than a few minutes before losing interest. As for the album as a whole, I would rate it 1 or 2 stars due to the lack of substance. I do not regard this as music, though I do not say this as a criticism, but rather as a statement that it does not conform to my idea of what is music. (I should remark that my idea of what is music is quite independent of the creator's intentions, depending only on the creation itself.) |
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Spaciousmind ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: September 07 2020 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 724 |
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I agree it's a difficult listen, as I indicated in the OP I came across it by accident and it is one of the most extreme pieces I ever found, so was curious about what people here thought about it. I think of myself as being extremely progressive in music and therefore tolerant of all ideas by artists, so often I just listen to something as a curiosity. But, doing this I find interesting as sometimes I find things that I would otherwise not have found. The late sixties is a hotbed for the unusual.
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Spaciousmind ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: September 07 2020 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 724 |
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Here is another wtf.. electronic moment in 1969:
Jon Appleton - Appleton Syntonic Menagerie - 1969 Your thoughts on this? I think it makes some of the experimental Krautrock sound like Bing Crosby... lol (joking)
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Jon Appleton was one of the first composers to work with electronics. He also wrote books on the subject. I don't have any of his records but I do have one of his early books.
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Interestingly, I came into the living room as my youngest daughter was watching a children's television program about music. The only reason I even paid it any attention is because Libby announced, “look, Daddy, the robots are listening to music, like you do. The only reason it held my attention is because it was one of those weird children’s television programs where they use quite adult language to explain a concept, so that it sounds quite out of place. It was all simple language, except that the robots were learning what makes the difference between what is noise and what is music. I can’t say I agreed entirely with how they defined it, but for the most part it was the most expansive definition of music I had seen for such a young audience, so I really quite liked it. Apparently, what turns noise into music is organisation (which is something robots very much appreciate), and what needs to be organised are five things: melody, harmony, rhythm, timbre and intensity. (At least, I think that was the five). But not all five need to be organised, and this is what often makes music for one robot noise for another, as different robots react to different things, depending on how they’ve been programmed. I mention this, because the idea that “experimentation in music is essential, of course, but th result needs to be enjoyable”, is kind of a red herring. As while it might not be enjoyable, and therefore perhaps not music, to one ear, another might not only find it musical, but enjoyable. Anyway, sorry, I just felt the need to say this, as it was so close to what the robots were discussing.... |
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I do actually agree, and did think that as I typed my comment. It is subjective, of course. I do at least consider what was shared in the OP as music, because of the 'organization' of the sounds as you put it. To my ears personally, it merely doesn't please, but if it has an audience, it should be heard. |
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This is nothing, go listen to Iannis Xenakis's S.709 if you really want to challenge your ears ![]() La Monte Young's music and drone music in general just doesn't do it for me. I'm fine with coarse musical textures and a lack of (clear) compositional structure, but I want pieces of music to continually engage me and I want to be able to find something new in a piece every time I hear it, and I don't get that with ultra-minimalist stuff like the track in the OP.
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This is amazing!
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But what is good prog? What is good music? It’s all subjective, isn’t it? And even if there were some objective way of defining what is good music and/or good prog, it wouldn’t necessarily change anyone’s personal enjoyment. Personal enjoyment is somewhat detached from whether or not something is “good”, I guess.....? 🤷🏻♂️ [EDIT] I guess, also, that how good something is is also independent of how important and/or influential it is. For even if something is not seen as particularly good, it can still inspire other works that are seen as good. Edited by nick_h_nz - May 24 2021 at 08:47 |
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The Anders ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 02 2019 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 3535 |
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I genuinely find the Le Monte Young piece good. I distinguish between personal taste and quality. Quality can be discussed, because it depends on point of view, core artistic values, your own cultural upbringing and so on. Personal taste can not be discussed. I would regard the Le Monte Young piece as quality music based on my views. Then there is music I also regard as quality but which doesn't really appeal to me (Yes, for instance). Admittedly, the two aspects (taste and quality) do blur quite a lot.
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