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Also, I think an album needs to have at least 50 -100 ratings to be considered even in the game at all. An album that has 3 or 4 five star ratings after a year or two was obviously never a real contender. How many ratings does ItCotKC have? (4800) at 4.85. At PA alone.
The true measure of high ratings is how many people have listened to the album over the years. There are thousands upon thousands of “masterpieces “ out there that have only been rated by 4 or 5 people and have since been 100% forgotten about. Many raters and reviewers here at PA have many hundreds of 5 star ratings in their file. Albums I’ve never heard of, and likely never will listen to.

Our 2007 album ERIS has 13 ratings here after 18 years… obvious flop that isn’t going anywhere. lol.

Edited by Valdez - March 02 2025 at 08:18
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

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Of course it become highly subjective but the point I think I was trying to make is that reviewers  limiting reviews to mainly 3 or 4 stars is a bit irrelevant and artificial. If you think that a 1000 albums are 5 stars then I don't see a problem going with it personally. It's all subjective.

Hi,

The only issue I have with this is the idea/fact that you could get 1000 Swifties voting a 5 star thing, on an album, and in the end, it is good, but not really a 5 star thing ... a 4 perhaps, and the well done production and such, but the subjective nature of it, makes it look like that simply because there is a number, that something is great, or very good ... and many times, it isn't and in time, that appreciation dies out.

We have to be careful with this "subjective" thing, as it is making a statement that in the end, we do not want. And it would be our responsibility to understand that ... but most voting a 5 star thing, don't give a damn ... it's their preferred and favorite this and that.

This is the main reason why I would prefer that all monthly and yearly lists NOT have a number at all ... so that no one, can think that this one is better than that one. IF, anything, the way that we still find historical stuff from the 1970's is a perfect example ... we took a "top five" kind of thing and left all else behind, only for it to be found, that ... we didn't do a good job selecting those 5 now, did we?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote moshkito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2025 at 06:26
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

A few years ago, I wrote a three star review for an album. The artist who made the album contacted me and tried to persuade me to remove the review because it was three stars, and most all other reviewers gave it five stars. I did not remove the review and I noticed several hateful comments about my review on the artists Facebook page.

Have any other reviewers had this happen to them?


Sure.   Ignore it, and if it happens again tell him to shove it.


Hi,

I, likely, would post the cover of the MAD magazine ... "we're number 1" ... and it was the middle finger! It was a comment about The National Lampoon taking pot shots at MAD magazine so they could look better and more important with the lame, high school/college stuff they were doing! At least, MAD had a serious history with a lot of very well known names ... NL? No one knows it or remembers it. It was rather poor and very topical, and not funny half the time!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Grumpyprogfan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2025 at 03:43
^There are several albums I would rate five stars, and sometimes I'll round up a 4.5, but they would be 5% or less of everything I own or have heard.
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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Originally posted by richard richard wrote:

5 star ratings should indeed by reserved for exceptional albums like Dark Side Of The Moon but then virtually nothing released this century could seriously ever be considered 5 stars.
I'd say that's completely subjective. I personally know a couple of albums from this century that I would unashamedly call masterpieces on the same level as Dark Side of the Moon or Close to the Edge. Casiopea vs. The Square is one of such masterpieces to me.

Currently only 2 albums post 1999 scrape into the PA Top 50 list (Wobbler - From Silence To Somewhere at #30 and Steven Wilson - The Raven That Refused to Sing at #39).  I would say that the latter is definitely one such masterpiece. Of course it become highly subjective but the point I think I was trying to make is that reviewers  limiting reviews to mainly 3 or 4 stars is a bit irrelevant and artificial. If you think that a 1000 albums are 5 stars then I don't see a problem going with it personally. It's all subjective.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hrychu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2025 at 00:05
Originally posted by richard richard wrote:

5 star ratings should indeed by reserved for exceptional albums like Dark Side Of The Moon but then virtually nothing released this century could seriously ever be considered 5 stars.
I'd say that's completely subjective. I personally know a couple of albums from this century that I would unashamedly call masterpieces on the same level as Dark Side of the Moon or Close to the Edge. Casiopea vs. The Square is one of such masterpieces to me.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote richardh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 01 2025 at 23:38
I suppose 3 stars does scream 'meh' and that might get some hackles up lol. The rating system at PA however is a bit lacking in sophistication when virtually every rating site of anything has at least a 1-10 rating system. 5 star ratings should indeed by reserved for exceptional albums like Dark Side Of The Moon but then virtually nothing released this century could seriously ever be considered 5 stars. It therefore becomes a moot point.
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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

A few years back, I wrote a negative review of the latest Shadow Circus album, but then the band's manager messaged me asking to take it down.

Originally posted by SC manager SC manager wrote:

That's just not cool, man. It's only been out a few hours. You don't know what effort goes into this. Obviously you don't review anything metal influenced. I wish you'd take it down and let the album find its audience first. What did you gain today? You got to be the first to complain?
Originally posted by me me wrote:

Everybody has the right to express their opinion. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Especially on ProgArchives, which is a review-centric website. And on PA, I always post honest reviews, even if they're negative.

And as a composer/producer I do know very well what effort goes into this. You gotta cope with the fact, that not every review is gonna be super glowing. I do have very strong feelings that your album is gonna be well received by a lot of people. Also, it's always good to see REVIEWS of your stuff on PA (even the negative ones), rather than plain ratings! I've had random people 1-star bomb my discography with plain ratings and it not only hurt but also confused me. Because of that I always make sure to accompany my negative ratings with the reasons why I don't like something. And I've also learned that if random people don't like something you've made, it's not the end of the world.
Originally posted by SC manager SC manager wrote:

Sorry but you're a f**king douchebag. Mid life crisis? Is that a valid musical observation? No. It's personal insults. Take it down and f**k off.

So I eventually did remove my review not to start a drama for such trvial reasons.

My statement would be, "And how would you like the community here to find out you said these things to me because of a review?  You COULD deny that you were the one who said these things and make it look like someone was trying to pull a prank by pretending to be you, and that may likely justify my review in the end, and not make you look bad in front of your own band."
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hrychu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 01 2025 at 19:36
A few years back, I wrote a negative review of the latest Shadow Circus album, but then the band's manager messaged me asking to take it down.

Originally posted by SC manager SC manager wrote:

That's just not cool, man. It's only been out a few hours. You don't know what effort goes into this. Obviously you don't review anything metal influenced. I wish you'd take it down and let the album find its audience first. What did you gain today? You got to be the first to complain?
Originally posted by me me wrote:

Everybody has the right to express their opinion. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Especially on ProgArchives, which is a review-centric website. And on PA, I always post honest reviews, even if they're negative.

And as a composer/producer I do know very well what effort goes into this. You gotta cope with the fact, that not every review is gonna be super glowing. I do have very strong feelings that your album is gonna be well received by a lot of people. Also, it's always good to see REVIEWS of your stuff on PA (even the negative ones), rather than plain ratings! I've had random people 1-star bomb my discography with plain ratings and it not only hurt but also confused me. Because of that I always make sure to accompany my negative ratings with the reasons why I don't like something. And I've also learned that if random people don't like something you've made, it's not the end of the world.
Originally posted by SC manager SC manager wrote:

Sorry but you're a f**king douchebag. Mid life crisis? Is that a valid musical observation? No. It's personal insults. Take it down and f**k off.

So I eventually did remove my review not to start a drama for such trvial reasons.
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Glory hammers Cheese Factor… 5 stars for the moniker!!
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Originally posted by Rexorcist Rexorcist wrote:

The guy I was replying to, apparently, was the frontman.
Another reason to love the original Angus.


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^ Good for you.   Reviews are not a place for debate and second-guessing, the forums are.





Edited by Atavachron - March 01 2025 at 15:52
"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought."   -- John F. Kennedy
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Oh man. Yeah, never give in to them. If they can't accept a less than stellar review or rating then they are in the wrong business.

Reminds me of the time I was on a Reddit concerning Gloryhammer's cheese factor.  One guy comes in and says, "Sounds like your saying 'Old Gloryhammer's better than new Gloryhammer."  So I reply, "Yep.  While I agree the new album isn't as good as the first three, Gloryhammer always knew who they wanted to be.  Names like 'Unicorn Invansion of Dundee' says it all.  Hell, they even stole their logo font from The Dark Crystal before having to redesign it."

The guy I was replying to, apparently, was the frontman.  I'm gonna wear that story like a badge of honor.  I got all this backlash from a few other users about how I ended up replying to the frontman, but I said what I said and I didn't change it.  The fans said things like, "HOW DARE YOU SUGGEST THAT HIS QUALITY ISN'T CONSISTENT!"  Of course, I told them that I already said what I said, and that Bowes himself should be used to varying opinions by that point.  Bowes himself didn't really reply, but I let him know my honest opinions:

First 3: roughly 85/100
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Agree on the rating side, though, as a listener, I definitely have learned which reviewers tastes are more likely to match my own, which can be really useful in musical "resource allocation."
...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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^ Yep---   and forget how others might rate, it's about your honest take.   Once you start going by some other standard you've lost credibility.
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Oh man. Yeah, never give in to them. If they can't accept a less than stellar review or rating then they are in the wrong business.
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I've always respected Hugues when it comes to ratings. The dude is not afraid to rate albums conservatively and by the letter of the site definitions. He shells out plenty of 2 star ratings when appropriate. And when Hugues actually gives something 5 stars (or even 4), I know I need to pay special attention to that album. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Finnforest Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 01 2025 at 14:48
I had this happen when I was a new reviewer at PA. The dude was very aggressive (a prick, tbh) and "corrected me" on a mistake I made before 'foaming at the mouth' about my 3 star rating, which I did inform him means "Good" at PA. Unfortunately, because so many people give 5 stars to everything they like and ignore the site's request that "Masterpiece" status be used very sparingly, some artists take this to mean that 3 stars is an inconceivable insult. 

I corrected the mistake he pointed out but held firm on my rating. LOL
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^ And don't change it a word.   Call 'em like you see 'em, don't give an inch, stick to your guns, and wear their ignorant comments like a badge of honor.

   
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

A few years ago, I wrote a three star review for an album. The artist who made the album contacted me and tried to persuade me to remove the review because it was three stars, and most all other reviewers gave it five stars. I did not remove the review and I noticed several hateful comments about my review on the artists Facebook page.

Have any other reviewers had this happen to them?


Sure.   Ignore it, and if it happens again tell him to shove it.




This is what I'd say.

"OK, I';ll change it.  Might as well change all the others to five-stars too, just to be nice.  I mean, obviously, having an issue and threatening to demonize those who don't comply is the only way to get successful in this world.  I'm sure Beatles, Floyd, and even Bieber have done it.  If you need be to lie for you again, lemme know."
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