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Yep, Rush played bigger venues later, but in around 1977/78, as had been referenced, they did not play such big venues. I looked it up before too, and it seemed the Hammersmith Odeon was the biggest venue of the period (I didn't examine every one) and it only holds about 5000 at maximum capacity, which is a very far cry from a 60, 000 seat venue as the book apparently has stated (for the Farewell to Kings tour, I guess).

If "Rush sold out three nights in a 60,000 seat venue in the UK in around 77/78" they certainly would have been huge.

Listen, I admit I very well could have been wrong. Ok? Let's not beat a dead horse here. Again, when I find the reference I was thinking of I will post it. Let's move on from this.
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Yeah, they weren't as big in the U.K. for a few years. It took them Moving Pictures and Signals to move them up a few notches.
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Yep, Rush played bigger venues later, but in around 1977/78, as had been referenced, they did not play such big venues. I looked it up before too, and it seemed the Hammersmith Odeon was the biggest venue of the period (I didn't examine every one) and it only holds about 5000 at maximum capacity, which is a very far cry from a 60, 000 seat venue as the book apparently has stated (for the Farewell to Kings tour, I guess).

If "Rush sold out three nights in a 60,000 seat venue in the UK in around 77/78" they certainly would have been huge.

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A Show of Hands was filmed at the National Exhibition Centre in Birmingham, which holds around 15,000. That's not a "small venue."

On the Clockwork Angels tour, Rush played the Manchester Arena (capacity: 21,000) and other good-size venues.


As far as prog bands go...yeah, Rush is big.
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

interesting.. they only did two tours of England in that time frame and the biggest venue they played was in London. The Hammersmith Odeon. They were not playing stadiums.. not even close to it...but small theaters

and max capacity there IRC was 5k...  think your book writer drank a bit too much of the Rush cool aid as Rush fans are apt to do.Beer

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Well, just by the charts alone you can see they were as big in the UK as the US. I am still looking for that page and I could be a bit off. I might have to read the whole damn book all over again. Tongue

micky's right - Rush played the Hammy Odeon in September 1978. I was there and still have the ticket. Not sure of its capacity but I'm guessing a few thousand.

Ok. Well, like I said if I come across the thing I was referring to then I will post it here. 
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

interesting.. they only did two tours of England in that time frame and the biggest venue they played was in London. The Hammersmith Odeon. They were not playing stadiums.. not even close to it...but small theaters

and max capacity there IRC was 5k...  think your book writer drank a bit too much of the Rush cool aid as Rush fans are apt to do.Beer

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Well, just by the charts alone you can see they were as big in the UK as the US. I am still looking for that page and I could be a bit off. I might have to read the whole damn book all over again. Tongue

micky's right - Rush played the Hammy Odeon in September 1978. I was there and still have the ticket. Not sure of its capacity but I'm guessing a few thousand.
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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

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I've always thought that The Rolling Stones could have become more popular if they had released a few more albums. I just don't think the music-buying public got an idea of who the band really was after only releasing 30 studio albums, 28 live albums and 26 compilation albums.

Actually, I think if anything too many albums can dilute a band's career. If you look at Led Zeppelin or the Beatles they were huge but only had a decades worth of material(if that)in them. Even if you look at Queen or Pink Floyd and to some degree also the Doors and The Police their popularity is hinged upon 5 or 6 albums at the most. So ultimately it's about quality over quantity. As for the Stones they are known mainly for their 60's and 70's output. The same is True of the Kinks and the Who. Who really cares much about the 80's material(or later)by these bands? 

I suppose in this day and age sarcasm cannot be deployed without the requisite emoji. Wink 

I didn't see this reply until just now. Actually, I kind of figured you were being sarcastic and initially had a reply to reflect that but decided to play it straight anyway(as you did). ;)
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Originally posted by FatherChristmas FatherChristmas wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

interesting.. they only did two tours of England in that time frame and the biggest venue they played was in London. The Hammersmith Odeon. They were not playing stadiums.. not even close to it...but small theaters

and max capacity there IRC was 5k...  think your book writer drank a bit too much of the Rush cool aid as Rush fans are apt to do.Beer

LOL

Well, just by the charts alone you can see they were as big in the UK as the US. I am still looking for that page and I could be a bit off. I might have to read the whole damn book all over again. Tongue

big of course being relative... ie they weren't...  in either country... they were successful though.. they grew an audience over their albums..from literally none prior to 2112... at that point in the late 70's they were a cult band. A small but fanatical fanbase..until they hit the big time in the 80's with AOR albums and getting their mugs onto MTV  ..that is when they became big 

You too Micky? Really? Rush were never big? I guess Yes weren't either and neither were Genesis(as a prog band).

Oh wait. I think I see what you are saying. Well, in the late 70's they were starting to get big but they already were in Canada. 

But it's ok because we all have our own opinions anyway. A lot of Yes fans think Yes were huge but I say they never really were and it's arguable they were ever even big. Even in the 80's I remember the kids in high school all had U2, REM, Metallica, Iron Maiden t shirts but only one or two here and there had Yes t shirts.
Rush were one of the most successful prog bands. A successful prog band is not necessarily a successful band. Wink

Yeah not successful. With the exception of The Rolling Stones, the Beatles and Aerosmith they have more consecutive gold and platinum albums than any band(prog or otherwise) with three of them being multiplatinum not to mention worldwide sales of over 40 million. You're right though. Not successful. LOL
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

interesting.. they only did two tours of England in that time frame and the biggest venue they played was in London. The Hammersmith Odeon. They were not playing stadiums.. not even close to it...but small theaters

and max capacity there IRC was 5k...  think your book writer drank a bit too much of the Rush cool aid as Rush fans are apt to do.Beer

LOL

Well, just by the charts alone you can see they were as big in the UK as the US. I am still looking for that page and I could be a bit off. I might have to read the whole damn book all over again. Tongue

big of course being relative... ie they weren't...  in either country... they were successful though.. they grew an audience over their albums..from literally none prior to 2112... at that point in the late 70's they were a cult band. A small but fanatical fanbase..until they hit the big time in the 80's with AOR albums and getting their mugs onto MTV  ..that is when they became big 

You too Micky? Really? Rush were never big? I guess Yes weren't either and neither were Genesis(as a prog band).

Oh wait. I think I see what you are saying. Well, in the late 70's they were starting to get big but they already were in Canada. 

But it's ok because we all have our own opinions anyway. A lot of Yes fans think Yes were huge but I say they never really were and it's arguable they were ever even big. Even in the 80's I remember the kids in high school all had U2, REM, Metallica, Iron Maiden t shirts but only one or two here and there had Yes t shirts.
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

interesting.. they only did two tours of England in that time frame and the biggest venue they played was in London. The Hammersmith Odeon. They were not playing stadiums.. not even close to it...but small theaters

and max capacity there IRC was 5k...  think your book writer drank a bit too much of the Rush cool aid as Rush fans are apt to do.Beer

LOL

Well, just by the charts alone you can see they were as big in the UK as the US. I am still looking for that page and I could be a bit off. I might have to read the whole damn book all over again. Tongue

big of course being relative... ie they weren't...  in either country... they were successful though.. they grew an audience over their albums..from literally none prior to 2112... at that point in the late 70's they were a cult band. A small but fanatical fanbase..until they hit the big time in the 80's with AOR albums and getting their mugs onto MTV  ..that is when they became big 

You too Micky? Really? Rush were never big? I guess Yes weren't either and neither were Genesis(as a prog band).

Oh wait. I think I see what you are saying. Well, in the late 70's they were starting to get big but they already were in Canada. 

But it's ok because we all have our own opinions anyway. A lot of Yes fans think Yes were huge but I say they never really were and it's arguable they were ever even big. Even in the 80's I remember the kids in high school all had U2, REM, Metallica, Iron Maiden t shirts but only one or two here and there had Yes t shirts.
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

interesting.. they only did two tours of England in that time frame and the biggest venue they played was in London. The Hammersmith Odeon. They were not playing stadiums.. not even close to it...but small theaters

and max capacity there IRC was 5k...  think your book writer drank a bit too much of the Rush cool aid as Rush fans are apt to do.Beer

LOL

Well, just by the charts alone you can see they were as big in the UK as the US. I am still looking for that page and I could be a bit off. I might have to read the whole damn book all over again. Tongue

big of course being relative... ie they weren't...  in either country... they were successful though.. they grew an audience over their albums..from literally none prior to 2112... at that point in the late 70's they were a cult band. A small but fanatical fanbase..until they hit the big time in the 80's with AOR albums and getting their mugs onto MTV  ..that is when they became big 

You too Micky? Really? Rush were never big? I guess Yes weren't either and neither were Genesis(as a prog band).


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Originally posted by FatherChristmas FatherChristmas wrote:

I was actually talking about Rush's chart positions when I said they weren't that popular in Britain, it's clear they have their share of mad fans from just looking at this site. The only period they got close to large scale success in the early 80s, and that was about level with the success of old Genesis in the UK - and I saw a post that lamented that old Genesis should have been much more successful.
This is from the OCC:
Rush Album:                            UK Chart Position:
Rush                                       ~
Fly by Night                             ~
Caress of Steel                         ~
2112                                       ~
A Farewell to Kings                   22
Hemispheres                            14
Permanent Waves                     3
Moving Pictures                        3
Signals                                     3
Grace Under Pressure                5
Power Windows                        9
Hold Your Fire                          10
Presto                                     27
Roll the Bones                          10
Counterparts                            14
Test for Echo                            25
Vapour Trails                            38
Snakes and Arrows                    13
Clockwork Angels                      21

Aside from a few in the later years I would say that's pretty big and bigger than most prog bands ever get. If that's not successful(or big) then we obviously have different defintions of what success is. 
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Someone mentioned Asia....I think that the GTR "supergroup" also sputtered out quickly, after much initial fanfare.  I guess there was quite a bit of tension between Howe and Hackett.

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Disco Inferno never found commercial success only releasing 3 albums (actually they're a band I know that have more EPs than albums...) but they were a seminal band in the early post-rock scene.
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interesting.. they only did two tours of England in that time frame and the biggest venue they played was in London. The Hammersmith Odeon. They were not playing stadiums.. not even close to it...but small theaters

and max capacity there IRC was 5k...  think your book writer drank a bit too much of the Rush cool aid as Rush fans are apt to do.Beer

LOL

Well, just by the charts alone you can see they were as big in the UK as the US. I am still looking for that page and I could be a bit off. I might have to read the whole damn book all over again. Tongue

big of course being relative... ie they weren't...  in either country... they were successful though.. they grew an audience over their albums..from literally none prior to 2112... at that point in the late 70's they were a cult band. A small but fanatical fanbase..until they hit the big time in the 80's with AOR albums and getting their mugs onto MTV  ..that is when they became big 
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I was actually talking about Rush's chart positions when I said they weren't that popular in Britain, it's clear they have their share of mad fans from just looking at this site. The only period they got close to large scale success in the early 80s, and that was about level with the success of old Genesis in the UK - and I saw a post that lamented that old Genesis should have been much more successful.
This is from the OCC:
Rush Album:                            UK Chart Position:
Rush                                       ~
Fly by Night                             ~
Caress of Steel                         ~
2112                                       ~
A Farewell to Kings                   22
Hemispheres                            14
Permanent Waves                     3
Moving Pictures                        3
Signals                                     3
Grace Under Pressure                5
Power Windows                        9
Hold Your Fire                          10
Presto                                     27
Roll the Bones                          10
Counterparts                            14
Test for Echo                            25
Vapour Trails                            38
Snakes and Arrows                    13
Clockwork Angels                      21
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

interesting.. they only did two tours of England in that time frame and the biggest venue they played was in London. The Hammersmith Odeon. They were not playing stadiums.. not even close to it...but small theaters

and max capacity there IRC was 5k...  think your book writer drank a bit too much of the Rush cool aid as Rush fans are apt to do.Beer

LOL

Well, just by the charts alone you can see they were as big in the UK as the US. I am still looking for that page and I could be a bit off. I might have to read the whole damn book all over again. Tongue
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interesting.. they only did two tours of England in that time frame and the biggest venue they played was in London. The Hammersmith Odeon. They were not playing stadiums.. not even close to it...but small theaters

and max capacity there IRC was 5k...  think your book writer drank a bit too much of the Rush cool aid as Rush fans are apt to do.Beer


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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

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You know it's weird. Many times radio is the key to success with bands but not always. Rush, Iron Maiden and Metallica all became pretty big even before they were played much on the radio. I think in the case of King's X though it would have helped them out a lot. As it is they still have a decent sized cult following but I agree they probably should have been much bigger. I saw them in concert sometime in the last decade and they were very good.

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RUSH was on the playlist for several folks at the station ... it was not as well known then, but some folks, including my room mates in the band, we already were listening to it ... (lived in a house with a band) ... but this was like '81 and '82 already ... when FM still had strength, but it made RUSH much bigger ... Iron Maid and Metallica, from what I remember (and I fell out of it in 1983 for work) came in much later as a part of the MTV thing ... specially Metallica ... by that time FM radio was already on the way down as a maker of "hit" materials, and was changing to a "classic" format and the better known bands they helped make.
Rush has never been very popular in the UK, which is interesting. I think this is partly because the record company they ended up with was quite America based - for instance, for Moving Pictures, it only chose one single for the UK, Vital Signs. If they had released Tom Sawyer and Limelight there I think they could have done better - a live version of Tom Sawyer hit number 25 in Britain, which is pretty good for a song already released on an album only a few months earlier.

Rush sold out three nights in a 60,000 seat venue in the UK in around 77/78 so not sure where you got that from. I can give you the exact details if you want since it's in a book I have. Also, AFTK, Hemispheres and PeW charted higher in the UK than in the US. From what I understand Rush were very popular among those who were into the NWHBHM(new wave of British Heavy Metal)even though they obviously weren't part of that directly. Up until Counterparts Rush were as big in the UK as in the US. Look at the wikipedia allbum charts and you'll see what I mean. These days and the past 25 years maybe not so much but you said "never very popular in the UK" which is simply not true. The band who apparently were never very popular in the UK from what I understand was Gentle Giant. Even that might have been an exagerration. Not sure.


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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Someone mentioned Asia....I think that the GTR "supergroup" also sputtered out quickly, after much initial fanfare.  I guess there was quite a bit of tension between Howe and Hackett.

The GTR album wasn't that good, anyway. Definitely a miss.

My feeling exactly, but they sure had a lot of initial hype!  
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