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Henry Plainview 
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 Posted: December 25 2009 at 22:40 |
 Evolver wrote:
Becoming popular isn't selling out. Compromising musical values in order to become popular is selling out. |
How do you know that the shift to pop music was an external and not an internal one? I can give you throwaway pop albums, but Phil has been consistently making pop music for a long time now, even though he didn't have to.
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Epignosis
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Posted: December 25 2009 at 22:30 |
Evolver wrote:
Becoming popular isn't selling out. Compromising musical values in order to become popular is selling out.
See Love Beach, Giant For A Day, anything Genesis did after And Then There Were Three, for examples. Rush never were completely prog. What they have done over the years has been completely consistant with their musical vision all along. |
Well said.
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Evolver
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Posted: December 25 2009 at 22:26 |
Becoming popular isn't selling out. Compromising musical values in order to become popular is selling out.
See Love Beach, Giant For A Day, anything Genesis did after And Then There Were Three, for examples. Rush never were completely prog. What they have done over the years has been completely consistant with their musical vision all along.
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mr.cub
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Posted: December 25 2009 at 21:19 |
nahnite wrote:
Rush, a classic prog band, has had a streak of 30+ years with gold and platinum records. Genesis had it for almost 20 years. Yes were incredibly commercially successful for nigh on 2 decades. ELP dominated the 70's with a string of sold-out tours and best-selling records.
Now, even bands who were at one time thought of as "inacessible" are scaling the charts. Dream Theater's latest disc reached the top 10 in the States. Last year, Opeth reached the top 20, and Porcupine Tree followed them this year into the top 20 as well. Hell; I was in the store a few days ago, and the guy ahead of me had Miley Cyrus, Jonas Brothers, Riverside & DT in his hand.
Is this considered "selling out"? Are we on the verge of our bands becoming bland and watered-down? Or is it simply a zeitgeist; are people for whom prog is not the norm getting more and more into prog?
My take on it is this: I think it's simply becoming more commonplace to listen to more challenging music. I feel that certain parts of the populace are getting fed up with hearing about Britney and Jessica all the damn time, and are starting to explore other parts of the musical world.
What's your take on it? |
The charting performance is probably the biproduct of the groups touring and releasing music for a considerable amount of time; with an established fan base I can see how these bands can chart. I wouldn't consider this selling out.
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Epignosis
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Posted: December 25 2009 at 20:52 |
A Person wrote:
If the rest of the USA's teenagers are like my siblings, prog will not be as popular as mainstream music for a long time. I had no idea it was so hard to get people to care about more about the music than "the singer".
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I honestly don't get what's so phenomenal about the front man, but I guess if it's lousy pop music, that's all you get.
But then, most people only care about the lyrics and melody (second and third of course, to number one, which is the image). For these people, guitar is only cool if they know you personally. Otherwise, you're ignorable.
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: December 25 2009 at 20:46 |
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I mean, I strongly believe that most people are more eclectic and open-minded than people here like to pretend because pretending so makes us feel special. But that has to be for Christmas. And I do agree that some forms of prog are popular among certain non-prog crowds, particularly post-rock and metal.
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A Person
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Posted: December 25 2009 at 20:27 |
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If the rest of the USA's teenagers are like my siblings, prog will not be as popular as mainstream music for a long time. I had no idea it was so hard to get people to care about more about the music than "the singer".
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: December 25 2009 at 20:27 |
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I really don't think that there is anybody in the world who listens to the Jonas Brothers and Riverside.
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Epignosis
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Posted: December 25 2009 at 20:23 |
nahnite wrote:
Hell; I was in the store a few days ago, and the guy ahead of me had Miley Cyrus, Jonas Brothers, Riverside & DT in his hand.
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It's called Christmas.
It's the one time of the year I could buy something like the third book of the Twilight series and not feel ashamed.
In fact, I did buy that, along with the Twilight movie booklet, Thomas the Tank Engine DVDs, and Dream Theater's Black Clouds & Silver Linings. 
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nahnite
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Posted: December 25 2009 at 20:17 |
Rush, a classic prog band, has had a streak of 30+ years with gold and platinum records. Genesis had it for almost 20 years. Yes were incredibly commercially successful for nigh on 2 decades. ELP dominated the 70's with a string of sold-out tours and best-selling records.
Now, even bands who were at one time thought of as "inacessible" are scaling the charts. Dream Theater's latest disc reached the top 10 in the States. Last year, Opeth reached the top 20, and Porcupine Tree followed them this year into the top 20 as well. Hell; I was in the store a few days ago, and the guy ahead of me had Miley Cyrus, Jonas Brothers, Riverside & DT in his hand.
Is this considered "selling out"? Are we on the verge of our bands becoming bland and watered-down? Or is it simply a zeitgeist; are people for whom prog is not the norm getting more and more into prog?
My take on it is this: I think it's simply becoming more commonplace to listen to more challenging music. I feel that certain parts of the populace are getting fed up with hearing about Britney and Jessica all the damn time, and are starting to explore other parts of the musical world.
What's your take on it?
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