Do PA proggers have the right prog balance?

Good evening, i would like to start an argument....

Edited by AtomicCrimsonRush - March 25 2012 at 08:37

^^ See, that's just contradiction.

dr prog wrote: Too often I'm finding the best composed albums here to be rated low and the least well composed albums rated high. (...)   I'm finding several albums by bands that rate low here to be close to the best albums. Full of quality compositions. Quality compositions will always come out on top.

HolyMoly wrote: ^^ See, that's just contradiction.

Yes, it is.

Part of a balanced prog breakfast?

I didn't get OP.

Cite examples. Compare one overrated album to an underated one.

Be specific.

That's what sunk this OP, it was so generalized it said nothing.


Edited by RoyFairbank - March 25 2012 at 17:24

Hi,

Some randon thoughts:

Burial's self-titled first album is the kind of album Brian Eno wishes he could make today.

Burial's 2nd album UNTRUE is Vangelis' BLADE RUNNER for the next century. And yet it sounds nothing like Vangelis.

Kuedo's SEVERANT sounds *just* like Vangelis, and is clearly a homage to BLADE RUNNER.

Sasha & Digweed's NORTHERN EXPOSURE albums are pure Jean-Michel Jarre's OXYGENE - I mean that in the best possible way.

Boards of Canada's MUSIC HAS THE RIGHT TO CHILDREN may not be "progressive," but it'll take you places that the Floyd and Tangerine Dream et al might recognize.

I love prog, am a child of the 70s, and the music doing it for me these days is totally electronica (from Villalobos to James Holden's 005 to dubstep)... Rather strange. But there it is.


Edited by jude111 - March 27 2012 at 00:32

dr prog wrote: Too often I'm finding the best composed albums here to be rated low and the least well composed albums rated high

Couldn't it be possible that you consider the best composed albums lower than they deserve? 

Just a joke, musical appreciation (including composition), is very subjective, I wouldn't expect a Prog Metal and Neo Prog fans to have the same opinion about what is better composition..

This is very subjective.

dr prog wrote: . Most of us like the same bands of the era between the late 60s and early 80s but do prog listeners continually choose the most experimental/least composed stuff over the most well composed?

 

From this phrase, I believe we have the same TASTE about music, I don't like most King Crimson or Gentle Giant, because I consider that this bands give to much priority to experimentation, I call them complex for the sake of complexity, because i believe that complexity is one of many musical characteristics that should flow naturally,  not a goal to be reached..

But this doesn't mean we are correct, taste is personal, some Avant albums sound as noise to me, but they are masterpieces for other members...Not everything is black and white, there are several shades of gray.

dr prog wrote: I've always believed the best music came from the best composers and the more great compositions you can put in an album the better. Experimenting is ok, but when it's long passages of non melodic music, I believe this is filler and proof the band lacks strong composition to fill an album. Experimenting and Improvising should be saved for concerts.

Guys as Mussorgsky, Cui, Borodin, etc, were considered extremely complex during the Romantic era, because they broke with the standards of French Classical music, but today we consider them genius.

As an anecdote in another artistic expression: Some modern painters as  Matisse participated in the Salon d'automne of 1905 exposition, and in the middle of their paintings there was a statue by Donatello.One critic who hated their complexity wrote the "derogatory" phrase "Donatello parmi les fauves" (Donatello in the middle of the wild beasts), because he considered this painters savage beasts not worth being in the exposition, along with a Donatello sculpture....Today we consider Matisse, Seurat or Derain fabulous artists (They decided to call their style Fauvism as a  mockery of the critic).

What is too complex for you and me, can be perfect for others.

dr prog wrote: Albums should be packed with genius . Do proggers listen to band catalogues extensively? Do they give all albums enough spins or do they buy so many albums from different bands than they don't get time to enjoy albums over many listens? I'm finding several albums by bands that rate low here to be close to the best albums. Full of quality compositions. Quality compositions will always come out on top. I'm past that overdone prog and fusion which tries to get over complex. Just sounds a bit of a mess. Or you get the amatuer composers who rely on technicality and experimenting. That doesn't go far with me either. It's time we all matured and gave the right albums the high ratings in here

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - March 27 2012 at 01:53