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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2021 at 15:28
Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

"Holiday in Cambodia" The Dead Kennedys 1980


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I loved hearing a bit of your life history, Lorenzo.  Italy appears so different from the US as far as the music, especially back in your early boyhood....something I would not have imagined, unless I were told.  Thank you for sharing that, letting us get to know you a bit better.  

And, Logan, I also love to read all of the quick reviews, people hear different things than I do and I like hearing their perspective, whether it echoes mine or not (even when reading about my own offerings here).  It is that lively discussion that, for me, is the reason to do these polls, it's much more than "winning."  

And of course, it's fun to hear new music and find certain music sometimes winning me over, that I would not have been exposed to otherwise.  
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote TCat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2021 at 14:27
Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

@Mike: I'm the luckiest man on PA with that bonus point! But it's no secret: I have often used this film for my film analysis classes (after having analyzed it before as film student myself); I may not know it by heart, but almost...

@Lorenzo: We want more, we want more !

While the movie is not a secret, and I would have been surprised if no one knew that line and the screams that follow, but the song itself is the thing that is a bit more obscure, maybe not so much to Squeeze fans like myself, but to the typical listener it is.  

Keep your eye out for more bonus point possibilities.  Ermm LOL Who else do you know that uses that feature for bonus points anyway?

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lewian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2021 at 14:24
You make this thread really great, love to read all your comments and surely also Lorenzo's story!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote suitkees Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2021 at 14:20
@Mike: I'm the luckiest man on PA with that bonus point! But it's no secret: I have often used this film for my film analysis classes (after having analyzed it before as film student myself); I may not know it by heart, but almost...

@Lorenzo: We want more, we want more !

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jamesbaldwin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2021 at 14:08
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Nice to read a bit of your history, Lorenzo.

And Nickie and Kees, I really appreciated your write-ups on my selections, and thoroughly enjoyed reading your comments on the selections generally. The comments are what makes the series really great for me -- those shared experiences makes it feel more communal, and I really enjoy reading the insights into the music, as well as the more general feelings. It takes a lot of time and effort, but the efforts are very much appreciated.

Thanks, Greg.

I changed the title: I tried to translate an Italian expression into English, but I think I made a mistake! Wacko
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

@Mike: Yeah, that one works fine.

Great.  Thank you Lewian.

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Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

^ Yep, for me too, as does the Dead Kennedys one Shadowyzard put up. Thanks!

And regarding Squeeze, I hear the film quote now so I'm coming to collect my bonus points: The S. by S.K. (we cannot say the film is very unknown...;)

Way to go Kees!  You got it right even if it is in coded form.  Your points are awarded (unfortunately, I can only give you one "Thank You" because that's all they allow per person per post).

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Nice to read a bit of your history, Lorenzo.

And Nickie and Kees, I really appreciated your write-ups on my selections, and thoroughly enjoyed reading your comments on the selections generally. The comments are what makes the series really great for me -- those shared experiences makes it feel more communal, and I really enjoy reading the insights into the music, as well as the more general feelings. It takes a lot of time and effort, but the efforts are very much appreciated.

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The 1980's
(the years in which, as a teenager, I discovered music)


I share this story with you-

I was born on December 13, 1970, and at home, when I was a child, I listened to the music that the television sent, for example the melodic songs of the Sanremo Festival, or opera music (my father was a lover of Giuseppe Verdi, his favourite opera was "La Traviata"), and the melodic songs of the sixties which, in Italy, with small exceptions (the "beat" came at the end of the Sixties), were songs that had nothing to do with rock: everyone knew the Beatles and the Rolling Stones, but more for their fame than for the their records. 

The melodic songs of the sixties were still based on the "bel canto" derived from opera: my father listened to those because they reminded him of his youth (I posted one of these songs here in the Int. Polls: Sassi, by Gino Paoli , which as I explained was a song that had something unusual in its singing and lyrics for the time). 

Many musical groups of the sixties, as I discovered later in the years, sang English classics adapting them to Italian music and translating the lyrics freely (songs by Neil Diamond, Procol Harum, Beatles etc.).
 
So it was that I grew up with melodic music, especially from the sixties, and lyric music (especially Verdi - I know every single passage of "La Traviata"). 

Only when I listened to Lucio Battisti, I understood that melodic music could also have a nice rhythm, and in fact Lucio Battisti, present here on PA, was one of the last Italian melodic singers who had the merit of combining the Italian melody with the forms of pop and the English beat. But there was a problem: I didn't like his voice. 

Battisti is a great composer, but not a great interpreter, try listening to his songs sung by Mina .... 

do you know Mina? She was (perhaps still is, at almost 80 years old) the greatest Italian interpreter, a fabulous voice, an out of the ordinary mastery of singing, a formidable vocal range, an ability to combine beautiful singing with a youthful vivacity.

And I haven't gotten to the Eighties yet !!! Let's say that all this goes on until 1982. Then, starting from 1983 (twelve years old) things change, I start listening to music for teenage boys on TV.

But this to the next episode!Embarrassed

Hope you enjoy!







Edited by jamesbaldwin - February 17 2021 at 14:53
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^ Yep, for me too, as does the Dead Kennedys one Shadowyzard put up. Thanks!

And regarding Squeeze, I hear the film quote now so I'm coming to collect my bonus points: The S. by S.K. (we cannot say the film is very unknown...;)

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@Mike: Yeah, that one works fine.
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Easy Money, the video doesn't appear on my screen. 

Is the one below the same version? 




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"Holiday in Cambodia" The Dead Kennedys 1980

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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Nice to have you back! Smile

Mike, I couldn't see the Squeeze video. Found this one:
[Video removed for space]


That's an edited version.  It leaves out some of the best parts.  This one says its a 12" mix, but it's actually the album version.  Hopefully it will work for you.

Squeeze - Last Time Forever




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80s punky waves and hair... oh yes, there were good things in that decade - Page 2:

The Anders: Kliché, wow, what an entrance with that drum riff. Wouldn't have liked this back then, but it is interesting (a pity that Mao could not listen to it), very tight, like the Gnags one, but which I prefer, because there's much more going on in their music, including a bit more melody and other sounds. Sneakers bring us a romantic ballad that starts of nicely, romantically with piano-voice, before the synthy-funky finale. Very different and thus difficult to choose a favourite between this one and Gnags...

Tancos: A nice discovery for me with The Microorganism by Boiled in Lead: catchy up-tempo violin led folk-rock which juxtaposes with the sad lyrics of a fatal disease (AIDS, I guess...). A strong one! Rare Air bring us some nice (bagpipe) playing in this Dee Dee Diddley Bop, but it does not really move me more than that - it sounds a bit like a showcase and not a worked-out composition. Ginger an Fred by Don Ross offers us again some great - not to say impressive - playing, on the guitar this time. For me this is much more captivating than the previous one, but I still prefer Boiled in Lead.

jamesbaldwin: Wow, three artists I know from Lorenzo! Shame on you ;) But I explored Nick Cave a bit only after the 80s were over. The Carny really is a masterpiece, with its narrative quality, the theatricality and the industrial tinge added to that. Wonderful! The U2 song is maybe a bit too well known, and my problem with U2 has always been that I like many of their songs, but after two or three of them I get bored... This is a great live rendition of I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For, the guests and the choir add a lot... And I love Suzanne Vega; everything is in here: great composition, good moving and storytelling lyrics, great playing and a wonderful voice. What is not to like. Hard to choose between Nick Cave and Suzanne Vega, they're so different...

TCat: Not sure if I've ever heard of Squeeze, but this is quite a good song, very dense with all the instruments and sounds, but it works out well (I don't hear a movie sample in the vid Lewian put up... There go my bonus points). Glass Moon make me think a bit of Billy Joel, but this is more theatrical and versatile within one and the same song, building up to the grandiose... Like it very much. I vaguely remember Lloyd Cole and the Commotions, they must have had a (minor?) hit in the Netherlands. Forest Fire is actually just a perfect song! Well written, music and lyrics, perfect build-up, convincing singing, great playing... Difficult to choose a favourite out of these three.

Rushfan4: Ah, rock 'n roll! Good idea to go local, too. Bitter Sweet Alley is nice, but as I said earlier, there were so many very good (hard) rock bands in the 80s and this one doesn't stand out (a bit too common, imo). Seduce deliver the need-for-speed hard rock that never really appealed to me, how impressive the playing might be... The Almighty Strut (Rambo is singing!) suffer here from the bad sound quality, but this is not one for me either, and the Helloween track is not the best they have done in the 80s - I like some of their work, especially in the 80s (we talked about them in an earlier poll), but not this one. From these I prefer the Bitter Sweet Alley song.

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Synthesizers, synthesizers...! Drum machines...! Page 1:

Lewian: Neither Fehlfarben nor Black would have been on my radar in the 80s: the first a bit too punk, the latter too quirky. It is nice to discover them now, but they're not yet stealing my ears, both are maybe a bit too repetitive to my liking... What's interesting though is that the melodies in the Fehlfarben song mainly come from the bass. Will listen to them again...

Shadowyzard: Ow, maybe Freeez and Modern Talking are examples of why the 80s are considered so dreadful (by some): these two haven't aged very well, imo. A bit too dance oriented (and I've always hated dancing...). And then comes Desireless; this was here major hit (she had a minor one after Voyage Voyage). This is much more to my liking - great singing and part of those songs that remain!

Logan: Nice and engaging rythm to support the etheral voice and the echo-y guitars on this song by The Passions - rather straightforward, but quite effective. I started to appreciate Bauhaus only much later, not that I listen to them much now (and I don't think I heard this one before). This one is quite captivating with the driving bass and the roaring guitars (but not too upfront). Phew is another band I turned my back on in the 80s - I heard of them but never got into them. This one is ice-cold, combining the rudimentariness (does that exist?) of punk with the cold alienation of the New Wave. But Divinyls steal the show here for me with Good Die Young, typical 80s with a sniff of punk and a touch of new wave turning into a great pop-rock song.

Snicolette: Was (Not Was) is another band I heard of but have not heard much from (I think I heard a later album of them...). Knocked Down, Made Small is a great rocker, great playing backed by the synths, whereas Where Did Your Heart Go is much more funky pop-rock. Zaz brings a kind of piano-voice dominated poetic ballad, playing with the thin line between beauty and cliché, but it works for me. The rocking one is my favourite.

Cristi: Casual Affairs and Jean Beauvoir are for me also examples of 80s songs that didn't age well, maybe because they fell the need to put that disco-beat in their songs or if they were composing them with the drum computer (which I disliked then, and still don't like very much now...). Not bad, but not standing out. Neither does Night Ranger, for me, but it is a good straightforward rocker (great playing, but there were so many good rocking bands in the 80s!). a-ha's Manhattan Skyline is the good surprise for me. I don't think I ever heard this one and didn't expect them to bring on this heavy side, which works out quite well! The Simple Minds one is a bit of a deception, especially regarding some of the wonderful songs they have in there catalogue - this one is rather forgettable. My pick is a-ha!

Mathman: The Call is another band I know of but I don't remember what I heard before... Good choice! I quite like these songs: good songwriting, solid and melodic playing and a great voice, especially on The Woods, which a beautiful and powerful song.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lewian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2021 at 03:00
Originally posted by The Anders The Anders wrote:

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Fehlfarben - "Hutschläger": Cool new wave sound with interesting sound effects. I guess this is what is often referred to as the 'Neue deutsche Welle'?. 

I think many would put them into the Neue Deutsche Welle box, and the term was used for pretty much everything in German language by new artists that came out at the time. Some have a more restricted use of it and use it for the more poppy and fun oriented stuff (much of which dreadful), and I'm not sure Fehlfarben (and others more on the post punk and more thoughtful side of things) would've been happy with that label. But straight rhythms and the punk influence at least of simplicity and transparency were strong in those years, so all the stuff  can be seen as somehow connected.

Fehlfarben are by the way active until today, with a fairly long hiatus admittedly. Although in my opinion they have never reached the quality of their first and second album (which was "33 Tage in Ketten", in my opinion their best) anymore,  they never sold out, and produce good stuff (let's say 3 stars+) to this day.


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Nice to have you back! Smile

Mike, I couldn't see the Squeeze video. Found this one:


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote rushfan4 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2021 at 21:15
The 80's was the decade of my teens and pretty much shaped my listening habits as I went from listening to the pop hits of the Go-Go's and Joan Jett and Foreigner, etc... to the metal hits of Quiet Riot, Twisted Sister, Motley Crue, Ratt, etc....  Most of what I listened to back then was fairly well known so I will give a couple obscurer examples of local bands in a similar vein, so they will probably have limited appeal to the group that participate in this thread. but it was the local stuff that I was listening to at the time.  Sadly, the video/sound quality isn't very good either.  









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