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Tomodachi 
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 Posted: July 06 2006 at 18:56 |
 Rockin' Chair wrote:
Dear Sean Trane
About blatant game fixing...
European Championship 2004: Sweden-Denmark 2-2 -->Italy out
Sweden and Denmark. Not Italy.
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Rockin' Chair
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Posted: July 06 2006 at 16:41 |
Dear Sean Trane
About blatant game fixing...
European Championship 2004: Sweden-Denmark 2-2 -->Italy out
Sweden and Denmark. Not Italy.
Edited by Rockin' Chair - July 06 2006 at 16:45
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silvertree
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Posted: July 06 2006 at 15:20 |
Well, a lot has been said. In any case, as Sean Trane said, the winner will be arrogant. But I can't remember France being arrogant between 1998 and 2002...
As for comparing the 2 finalists in terms of prog rock.... this is just impossible :
I'm deeply in love with Italian prog rock and I'm berserk about zeuhl and other French prog bands from the 70s.
I refuse to give a winner !!
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Logos
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Posted: July 06 2006 at 12:22 |
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^Yes they did. It was a disgrace.
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BiGi
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Posted: July 06 2006 at 08:59 |
crimson thing wrote:
England (!?) - for giving the best impression of a Trabant in a Formula One race |
It's a pity! Being my second favourite team ever I fancied Italy-England as the final match!
And England-Sweden has been in my opinion the best match of the competition!
crimson thing wrote:
Australia - gave Brazil a decent game & were cheated against Italy |
Oh, come on, for crying out loud! You aren't serious, are you?
Ok Italy did not play a good game, but they did NOT steal the penalty! It was a sin of naivety by the aussies!
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NutterAlert
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Posted: July 06 2006 at 08:37 |
 trabant in F1, very funny .
They weren't even that good though
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Proud to be an un-banned member since 2005
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crimson thing
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Posted: July 06 2006 at 08:32 |
I can't believe it's nearly over...  ........although for me, most of the romance of the WC occurs in the group stages, when we get the chance to see some of the lesser-known teams (from our lofty viewpoint in Europe & S America, that is) enjoy themselves at the expense of some of the more smug of the big boys....  ....Schadenfreude is a powerful emotion...  ....so my winners at the WC are:
Ecuador - for their first two games, anyway
T&T - for making England & Sweden look ordinary
Ivory Coast - the unluckiest team, who would probably have qualified from any other group
Ghana - who upset the apple cart, & the Czechs
Australia - gave Brazil a decent game & were cheated against Italy
...and losers...
England (!?) - for giving the best impression of a Trabant in a Formula One race
Portugal - need I say why?
Brazil - seemed to think 10 footballers & a guy off the street make a team
Argentina - for thinking they'd won the WC after 2 games
Nederlands - for getting sucked into The Game From Hell
South Korea & Japan & USA - all three went backwards, after previously suggesting they could challenge the traditional footballing nations
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"Every man over forty is a scoundrel." GBS 
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Sean Trane
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Posted: July 06 2006 at 06:25 |
just out of pure provocation reasons I will re-state my saying from the polls forum 
Not much of a choice here is there?
In both case, the winner's fans/ countrymen will be insufferably arrogant, very pretentious for the next four years, and we will never hear the end of it. 
But in case of a loss, the Italians will shut up and sulk in their corners, while the French will still remain insufferably arrogant at finding reasons/causes external to their defeat, so no matter what, the French will break our balls
So in order to minimize our suffering , I choose we declare France the winner, without even playing the game, so only one country will be arrogant
Plus, if Italy wins while they have all of their scandals, this might just confirm they are doing SOMETHING right (like blatant game fixing  ) >>> So France |
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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BiGi
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Posted: July 06 2006 at 06:22 |
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A flower?
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mystic fred
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Posted: July 06 2006 at 05:40 |
VIVE LA FRANCE!!!
Portugal couldn't get away with any of their tricks, antics and dives this time!
Looking forward to a great final, AND MAY THE BEST TEAM WIN!!!  |
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Raff
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Posted: July 06 2006 at 02:46 |
What a nice person.... 
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Moogtron III
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Posted: July 06 2006 at 02:44 |
erik neuteboom wrote:
Because you love Moogs and Mellotrons, Marcel, and these unsurpassed vintage keyboards are such an important part of the Italian prog that your psychological defense mecanisms (denial) don't allow other countries than Italy to win, so fellow proghead, there's the clue ! |
That might be the key, Erik! In the end I think PFM and Le Orme have more to do with my love for Italy than Totti and Del Piero .
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Ricochet
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Posted: July 06 2006 at 00:21 |
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Logos
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Posted: July 05 2006 at 20:06 |
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The Portuguese team is a joke and should not be this far in the tournament. I mean, come on, they're diving whenever, wherever they can. They have scored one goal in the last three matches. France was far better today and controlled the game all the way, the same with England but they were unable to score.
Their offensive game is mediocre, well C Ronaldo is good though, but that guy needs to grow up. He was excellent for Man Utd last season but he really needs to stop diving!!
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aapatsos
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Posted: July 05 2006 at 19:51 |
I have to say this semifinal was of poor quality...
France deserved to win but both teams did not play well
penalty was a fair decision
yesterday's much was more thrilling
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erik neuteboom
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Posted: July 05 2006 at 18:28 |
Because you love Moogs and Mellotrons, Marcel, and these unsurpassed vintage keyboards are such an important part of the Italian prog that your psychological defense mecanisms (denial) don't allow other countries than Italy to win, so fellow proghead, there's the clue !
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Moogtron III
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Posted: July 05 2006 at 18:11 |
The bottomline is: did we enjoy ourselves? I liked both semi-finals a lot, I have to say!
For me it was also a lesson in psychology. Yesterday I thought I wanted Germany to win, but in the end I found myself supporting the Italians. Tonight I started as a supporter of France, but after an hour I really wanted Figo, C. Ronaldo, Deco and even Maniche, (who made the knock-out goal against my country-of-birth Holland  ) to level the score.
For the finals, I'd like to see the Italians win the cup. Why? I don't have a clue!
The psychology lesson I learned: the subconscious is a curious thing 
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Tony R
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Posted: July 05 2006 at 18:01 |
Course he dived,but he was also fouled.
I think that the expression I am looking for is: he made a meal of it.... 
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Kid-A
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Posted: July 05 2006 at 17:58 |
Portugal may have had more of the ball, but they did bugger all with it.
Except cheat of course. I hope serious action is taken against these players. That was the worst game of football I have ever watched. The diving was RIDICULOUS. And the idiocy that people are suggesting the Henry penalty was a dive. Some people just don't have a f*cking clue!
All I have to say is thank f*ck Scolari isn't our next manager.
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Dirk
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Posted: July 05 2006 at 17:55 |
erik neuteboom wrote:
Well, Tony R, I feel sorry for you that England lost their game against Portugal in a very frustrating way, I agree that in that game Portugal was a disgrace for football but tonight Portugal was at least equal to France concerning football qualities. If you talk about disgraceful acts like diving French forward player Henry successfully competed with the Portuguese forward players ...
I hope Portugal will keep on playing like tonight against Germany on Saturday in order to show the world their huge football potential.
By the way, I read that Rooney has forgiven Ronaldo ... I'm so moved ..
About that 'smart provoked foul': it was a foul because the defender didn't touch the ball but it is the experience of the forward player Henry to 'walk against the legs', just as the Italian did against the Australian, you know what I mean (nudge, nudge)? |
Well Erik, i'm not a great connaiseur of the soccer game. If i compare though: Portugal was not only a disgrace in the game against England but also against our own country. This was a tense combat between 2 teams not about soccer but about being the more foul , unsportive, unscrupulous team.Morally I believe both teams should have gone out there and then to be replaced by Ivoorkust for example. I have enjoyed France though against Spain and Brazil (probably both much stronger than Holland and England anyway). Tonight both teams seemed to be of equal strength but looking back at the tournament there can be no doubt that France deserves to be through. (all IMO  ).
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