^ And the man sometimes referred to as the Godfather of Rap, Gil Scott-Heron (a label he rejected, spoken word proto-hip hop would suit him better)

Edited by sturoc - November 10 2018 at 10:28

Davesax1965 wrote: Sorry, not for me.  Personal opinion - rap is all part of the (artificial) hip hop culture which I absolutely despise. It's manufactured product. "Entertainment" and not "music as art".

If it's not for you then fair enough, nobody's obligated to like it. In regard to hip-hop just being “manufactured product” though I think that - like any genre that is actually popular - much of what is most visible will be exactly that, but it doesn't apply universally. There's a good deal more going on than that.

You guys should check out some real rap instead of searching high and low inside old dinosaur remains for remnants.
Avantdale Bowling Club released this year's finest hip hop album imo. An album with heaps of experimental vibes and jazz at the very heart of it...but yeah sure there is also a guy RAPPING on it which most likely will scare off the paleontologists
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yYQxjSMFmT8

Does that mean that I support a prog rap category here on PA? Indeed! I would also like to see progressive throat singing, trance and schlager added

I personally believe that if it were further pushing the boundaries of music, even doing so in the form of rap music, then there isn't any problem with the concept of progressive rap. We already have artists such as Death Grips which are doing interesting things in the genre of rap and hip hop, and I personally see no issue with more groups in that genre being experimental. 

Sorry, not for me. 

Personal opinion - rap is all part of the (artificial) hip hop culture which I absolutely despise. It's manufactured product. "Entertainment" and not "music as art". 

Someone came on a music forum once and asked everyone to critique his (rap) music. I said sorry, not for me. The reply was "It was the only way I could get out of the ghetto". Ghetto my rosy red a$$, he'd done it on a very expensive Apple Mac with a copy of Cubase, which are not typically found in a ghetto. I think I can honestly say - personal opinion - that I despise everything about rap and the artificial culture that hangs off it. 

siLLy puPPy wrote: ^ well mostly, David. We do extend beyond the paramaters of rock with progressive electronic and Indo-raga which often doesn't have any rock in the equation. Likewise with some psychedelic folk that eschews the rock elements. I think these inclusions instill a great amount of confusion for newbies. It sure did for me. However, progressive rap ain't happenin' here!

^ Amen.
Prog-rap?!?!?
If it happens, let it happen after I die...

Rap and/or Hip Hop or whatever you new-fangled kids (with your interwebs and whatnot ) call it these days should stay on its side of the barricade.
The crossover to Rap-Metal was not a good thing to me.
Prog-Rap doesn't sound appealing at all...

Obviously, mileage will indeed vary on this one...

Since I originally posted, a neighbor has played several different rap hip/hop artists that I could appreciate, but in no manner could I call anything that I heard as being progressive...

I still have to go with no as my answer...


Edited by Cylli Kat - December 18 2018 at 10:06

Didn't Rush already cover that turf...

Roll da bones yo!

Prog-jester wrote: Cord Change wrote: Prog hip hop has been around awhile and yet every 2-3 months we're getting another thread on it - with 90% of posts from conservative dads, who are afraid to listen to anything released past 1975 or whatever was the year when Peter Gabriel left Genesis. Just call it "experimental hip-hop" in order not to trigger anyone convinced that bands like The Flower Kings are "progressive" smh

Well, I am dad, but can´t say me conservative. I have born 1973 and listened music almost my whole life, also always the music that´s made the same year I am living. I just haven´t yet heard any great "experimental hip-hop". For example Faust/Dälek collaboration album has it moments, but as a whole much worse than most of the other Faust-albums. Maybe that day will someday come, as a princible I have nothing against any genre, but hip-hop has just been the genre I listen the least. I like some eighties/nineties hip-hop, also some new songs (for example like a lot Future´s Mask Off), but can´t say my biggest pleasure has been any hip-hop -album.