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Posted: November 27 2009 at 17:51
It depends on the kind of heaviness you mean though I guess. I mean, a sludge metal band is not usually extremely heavy in the way a death metal band might be. What I mean is, in a sludge metal band, you'll typically have certain elements of the mix that are very strong and pronounced, at the expense of making some of the rest of the mix feel quite weak. I consider The End of Heartache by Killswitch Engage, This Godless Endeavor by Nevermore and Stabbing the Drama by Soilwork to be absolutely massive sounding when it comes to both the guitar tones and the overall mix, due to the nature of their production sonically.
If you pay attention to STD, pretty much every element in the mix is actually really weak, but when it comes together, it has this massive, pumping and breathing sound. The same can be said of Chaosphere by Meshuggah too. The guitar tones are actually quite weird compared to most "normal" guitar tones, but the way it comes together in the mix is absolutely friggen crushing. I can assure you, or anyone that actually hears the guitar tracks solo'd by themselves, you'd think it sounds really weak and strange. It's all about the big picture and how it comes together. This is something I really learnt about metal guitar tones and I apply it to my own mixes, and everything just sounds clearer and bigger now. You've also gotta remember how important the bass guitar is to the guitar tone too. The reason why guitar tones sound so huge is because of a good bass guitar tone and of course it has to be well played too. Really, it's all down to a tight rhythm section. A pop rock band with a tight rhythm section will absolutely slay a sludge metal band that can't play in time for heaviness, no joke.
I've also always considered many of Pelican's guitar tones to be majorly skull crushing too.
Edited by Petrovsk Mizinski - November 27 2009 at 17:52
Killing Joke (2003) on Zuma Recordings (I think the guitarist is Geordie Walker) - a guitar sound so huge and vicious it makes Tony Iommi sound like Bert Weedon.
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Posted: November 28 2009 at 16:48
I know there's tons of bands with more "brutality", downtuned guitars, sick pedals and grimm effects, but for me the guy that got the heaviest tone was Randy Holden on Population II. That whole album is just absolutely crushing, and it was recorded in what, 1970? It's kind of hard for me to be impressed with a contemporary band loaded with effects and trickery when that guy was getting sounds like that 40 years ago.
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Posted: November 29 2009 at 05:05
holy ghost wrote:
But yeah, Moss are great too. You must be a Monarch fan too, if you're located in France.
In fact, I have really hard times with all this ultra-funeral doom, sludgier than sludge, crushing sloooooow-doom-metal. I checked a few songs from Moss and I didn't enjoy it: too harsh for me, no groove, the feeling of being crushed for 20 minutes. Same thing for the 2 or 3 tunes I heard from Monarch.
Speaking of heavy/doom-metal, I rather taste Cathedral, Candlemass or the more alternative Melvins (not "doom", but heavy as Hell).
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Posted: November 30 2009 at 05:02
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
Pretty much anything from Alien or City are pretty crushing (helped even more by Hoglans insane kick patterns) Meshuggah are also pretty heavy with their dual guitars downtuned to spaghetti-for-strings levels. I think that atmosphere is just as important to make a song sound heavy though so ISIS is probably the most crushing a guitar can get (from what I've hear so far, though theres bound to be some strange kid out there who'll out do them one day)
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