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Garion81 
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 Posted: December 22 2005 at 18:43 |
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Hmmm, my brother has a Pallas album on his Amazon Wishlist... I almost bought it for him, but I bought him Supertramp instead.
I am hoping he has read about the band before purchasing it, maybe he has other stuff by them..., but if he does buy it, then I shall give it a listen anyhow.
As for Proto-Kaw, I have one of their tracks from their new album and I like it. Is it at all respresentative of Kansas though? Not really having heard them before.
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Proto-Kaw and Kansas you would think have a similar sound but I find it, for the most part, to be unique. Even though they do some old Kansas songs that ended up on the first and second albums like Blexes, Death of Mother Nature Suite and Incomudro the feeling is not in your face intense as Kansas but more extended jams and a bit more laid back feel. There is some VDGG, King Crimison, Jethro Tull and even Chicago in the mix. They use a sax and flute rather than violin and the vocals are a lot different. I was very fortunate to see them 4 times in '05 and back to back with Kansas in November. They put on a great live show and I would encourage anyone to go see them you won't be disappointed.
The New CD The Wait of Glory is going to be great. Feb-6 is the release date from Inside Out Records although they may move it up in Europe to accompany the short tour they are doing there in January.
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herbie53
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Posted: December 22 2005 at 19:02 |
Well, Garion, I'm a great fan of KANSAS and I have to say that I didn't like "Before Became After" so much... I think it's only an average album...  Maybe because, after listen to their recordings from 71-73 I was waiting something innovative, strange or at least different. Well, I forgot the principal: they're old. Specially mr. Livgreen.
Understand me: it's not a bad album, but I prefer the other work, that he recorded with the old buddies from KANSAS: "Somewhere to Elsewhere", this is a very fine album (and all the songs are wrotten by Livgreen!!!).
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greenback
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Posted: December 22 2005 at 19:19 |
hey, this is not a kansas thread!
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herbie53
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Posted: December 22 2005 at 19:20 |
Oh, and I was forgetting the theme of this forum: PALLAS. I knew them in the eighties with the "Sentinel" album, and I liked a lot of that work. But was very difficult to me get something more of they in that time (I live in South American).
After all these years, with the facilities of the web, I got "The Cross and the Crucible", and I liked, but not so much. And when I listen to the other albuns (Beat the Drum and The Wedge) I hated. I don't know if it's because now I listen many styles of prog music (at that time I only knew symph & neo bands). I will wait for the oportunity to listen the new album and see what I think of the band.
But I still love "The Sentinel" (I have the special edition from IO) 
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Posted: December 23 2005 at 00:01 |
Although I like neo prog, I was never much impressed with Pallas. That is, until I heard their latest, The Dreams of Men. I find the compositions truly inspired, for once, with plenty to really sink your teeth into.
If you hate neo prog, I don't think the album is strong enough to turn you into a neo-prog lover. But if you like the genre, you should definitely keep an eye on it.
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Garion81
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Posted: December 23 2005 at 01:57 |
herbie53 wrote:
Well, Garion, I'm a great fan of KANSAS and I have to say that I didn't like "Before Became After" so much... I think it's only an average album... Maybe because, after listen to their recordings from 71-73 I was waiting something innovative, strange or at least different. Well, I forgot the principal: they're old. Specially mr. Livgreen.
Understand me: it's not a bad album, but I prefer the other work, that he recorded with the old buddies from KANSAS: "Somewhere to Elsewhere", this is a very fine album (and all the songs are wrotten by Livgreen!!!).
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Don't forget something else about PK all but one of the members had not played music for 25 years! Think about that and then get together and put that album out! Come on. And you really wouldn't think about thier age if you saw them play live. They put on a great show as well.
As for STE, which I love, that may be the last one they do for a while since Kerry is devoted to PK right now although he did make an appearance with Kansas in November in KC (Which was pretty cool because I hadn't seen that since 1980). Robby Stienhardt showed up at the PK show the night before and wore a PK shirt when he introduced KL at the Kansas show. Give the new CD a try when it comes out in Feb.
Sorry Greenback we now return to Pallas.
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richardh
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Posted: December 23 2005 at 02:29 |
I saw them at Progeny a few years ago and they had a bunch of fans that were going apeshyte over them..leaping about as though they were the second coming.The rest of us were just happy when the band finally finished! 
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Posted: December 23 2005 at 05:29 |
greenback wrote:
the lead singer has not a great voice on the wedge, but he is pretty respectable on the sentinel.
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that's because they are different vocalists!
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Bob Greece
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Posted: December 23 2005 at 06:04 |
I got a Pallas live (River Session Vol. 2). It's not very impressive but 2 songs are OK. I should have got The Masquerade Overture but that was a bit expensive. 
Man Overboard is back!  Did you have a good trip? Maybe it's the wrong thread for that kind of question.
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Fishy
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Posted: December 23 2005 at 07:09 |
cuncuna wrote:
I don't know... ¿a person that has ears, a cd or mp3 player, and a Pallas album maybe?... as for me, I keep wondering what kind of person keep listening the same bands forever, and refuses to explore bands like Animal Collective or Disco Inferno. Don't get me wrong, I love my old school albums, but new bands has a lot to offer, and much more connected with the present times. As for Pallas, they are horrible... |
That's not the point - a good album is a good album. "The dreams of men" is a great album in the genre which is present on the site. Wether Pallas is an old band or not isn't an issue here. As an album "The dreams of men" stands for me. I don't like their previous one. It's not because they started somewhere in 1980 that they're bad. That's something I call prejudice.
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Jared
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Posted: December 23 2005 at 08:55 |
Garion81 wrote:
herbie53 wrote:
Well, Garion, I'm a great fan of KANSAS and I have to say that I didn't like "Before Became After" so much... I think it's only an average album... Maybe because, after listen to their recordings from 71-73 I was waiting something innovative, strange or at least different. Well, I forgot the principal: they're old. Specially mr. Livgreen.
Understand me: it's not a bad album, but I prefer the other work, that he recorded with the old buddies from KANSAS: "Somewhere to Elsewhere", this is a very fine album (and all the songs are wrotten by Livgreen!!!).
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Don't forget something else about PK all but one of the members had not played music for 25 years! Think about that and then get together and put that album out! Come on. And you really wouldn't think about thier age if you saw them play live. They put on a great show as well.
As for STE, which I love, that may be the last one they do for a while since Kerry is devoted to PK right now although he did make an appearance with Kansas in November in KC (Which was pretty cool because I hadn't seen that since 1980). Robby Stienhardt showed up at the PK show the night before and wore a PK shirt when he introduced KL at the Kansas show. Give the new CD a try when it comes out in Feb.
Sorry Greenback we now return to Pallas.
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As an aside...I'm very much looking forward to more PK... I really do have a soft spot for BBA
now...back to Pallas!!
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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Norm Cash
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Posted: December 23 2005 at 09:24 |
Back about '85 or '86, I went to see Pallas at the Edinburgh Playhouse....well, sort of. We actually went to see the support band, Chasar (Anyone out there heard of them? A 3 piece from central Scotland - Alloa, I think - who did Rush, Zep, and AC/DC covers, as well as their own excellent material). Once they'd finished their set, it was straight back to the bar for us, where we watched the full Pallas gig on the CCTV screens while getting quietly and methodically drunk.
Having said that, I actually think The Sentinal wasn't a bad album. I still give it a spin every now and again. I also had an original pressing of their debut live album "Arrive Alive", which I wish I'd kept when I traded in my album collection. 
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greenback
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Posted: December 23 2005 at 13:27 |
fandango wrote:
greenback wrote:
the lead singer has not a great voice on the wedge, but he is pretty respectable on the sentinel.
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that's because they are different vocalists!
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yes, i know...by "he", i meant the other singer...
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Jared
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Posted: December 23 2005 at 14:07 |
^^fair enough...
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