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vnmn23
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Topic: Thanks ProgArchives Posted: January 29 2008 at 23:28 |
I first want to express my sincere thanks to all involved with progarchives.com. I have been a progressive rock fan for quite some time, but thanks to this site I have discovered a lot of great bands that I might not have otherwise found.
I have always had the "progressive" taste in everything, including music. Like many on this board I tend to reject the mainstream point of view in many aspects of life, especially music. I can't even make myself tune into a local FM radio station anymore (I admit to listening to a lot of AM talk radio). I grew up in the late 80's and the 90's, in the big hair / grunge / alternative era. Surrounded by countless bands like Motley Crue and Green Day, I had to lash out and I found progressive rock. Early on I became huge fans of bands like Tool and Faith No More, maybe not "prog" by most standards but I feel it was a step in the right direction. Since then my music tastes have diverted into several directions, including everything from Symphonic Prog to Post Metal.
Again, I sincerely thank all collaborators to this site as it has been a great source of new or undiscovered bands. Although I still enjoy many "non-prog" bands such as RAtM and Pantera from my HS days, I look forward to discovering many new progressive bands, old and new, and this site is a great resource.
Edited by vnmn23 - January 31 2008 at 00:20
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Atavachron
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Posted: January 29 2008 at 23:37 |
great to have you
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Chicapah
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Posted: January 30 2008 at 08:51 |
Howdy from Texas. I share a lot of your sentiments about this site. It's a gateway to a lot of fantastic prog music that is ignored by the mainstream media.
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"Literature is well enough, as a time-passer, and for the improvement and general elevation and purification of mankind, but it has no practical value" - Mark Twain
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Shakespeare
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Posted: January 30 2008 at 09:03 |
Have you explored the Zeuhl subgenre yet?
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vnmn23
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Posted: January 31 2008 at 01:01 |
Shakespeare wrote:
Have you explored the Zeuhl subgenre yet?
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I'm not real familiar with Zeuhl, but am willing to try anything at least once. I've noticed in browsing this site Magma is by far the most popular Zeuhl band. According to the definition of Zeuhl I think it might be easier to just call the sub-genre Magma! This may be difficult, but which band outside of the Zeuhl genre would be the easiest comparison to Magma? I am intrigued by this genre but have not explored it yet. Also, as someone that has never heard a Magma song, which song/album would be the best place to start?
Edited by vnmn23 - January 31 2008 at 01:03
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Shakespeare
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Posted: January 31 2008 at 02:00 |
Well, a lot of avant-garde bands, particularly some in the RIO stream are often compared to Magma, but I personally don't think (from what little I've heard) that RIO has too much in common with Zeuhl musically.
I like to think of Zeuhl as jazz which has been manipulated, tampered, and reconstructed by twentieth century composer, with some splashes of psychedelic/spacey colour, and a strong relience on steady, pulverizing rhythm.
Micky will tell you Magma's debut is the best place to start, but most will agree that "Live/Hhaï Köhntark" (the two disc version) is the best starting place, because it contains a taste of all the different styles of Zeuhl, with the exception the spacey, bass heavy Zeuhl à la Üdü Wüdü. But if you ask me personally, I say start with the masterwork, the essential and flawless Mëkanïk Destrukïw Kommandöh (MDK).
I warn you though: like Rock in Opposition, Zeuhl can sometimes be hard to digest, and you should be patient and open-minded.
Sorry for going in to so much detail.
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vnmn23
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Posted: January 31 2008 at 03:19 |
Shakespeare wrote:
Well, a lot of avant-garde bands, particularly some in the RIO stream are often compared to Magma, but I personally don't think (from what little I've heard) that RIO has too much in common with Zeuhl musically. |
I am not a Avant-Garde expert by any means, but do enjoy the "headliners" of the genre such as Zappa, anything Mike Patton does, and Sleepytime Gorilla Museum. I have done a little bit of research on Magma on this site and others but have nothing substantial, including the 30 second iStore clips and I am very intrigued. Name your all-time favorite Zeuhl song and I'll download it and be able to totally dissect it. Edit: As to your point of Zeuhl being hard to digest, if I can digest Delirium Cordia by Fantomas I can digest anything right?
Edited by vnmn23 - January 31 2008 at 03:29
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Spacemac
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Posted: February 01 2008 at 17:49 |
Welcome
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Evans
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Posted: February 01 2008 at 18:12 |
vnmn23 wrote:
Shakespeare wrote:
Well, a lot of avant-garde bands, particularly some in the RIO stream are often compared to Magma, but I personally don't think (from what little I've heard) that RIO has too much in common with Zeuhl musically. |
I am not a Avant-Garde expert by any means, but do enjoy the "headliners" of the genre such as Zappa, anything Mike Patton does, and Sleepytime Gorilla Museum. I have done a little bit of research on Magma on this site and others but have nothing substantial, including the 30 second iStore clips and I am very intrigued. Name your all-time favorite Zeuhl song and I'll download it and be able to totally dissect it.
Edit: As to your point of Zeuhl being hard to digest, if I can digest Delirium Cordia by Fantomas I can digest anything right?
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Try Merzbow. Patton aind even close. Seriously though, Merzbow sucks, and they all know it. Merzbow knows it. But then, i am a Belle and Sebastian boy myself.. :)
Edited by Evans - February 01 2008 at 18:13
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'Let's give it another fifteen seconds..'
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laplace
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Posted: February 01 2008 at 20:53 |
^Poor Merzbow. It's hard to know whether you're missing anything good. I really like three of his releases in particular, but he has four hundred and after a while they begin to run together almost as much as Ozric Tentacles. A joke about signal-to-noise goes here but I've nothing. ;P
As for what sounds like zeuhl, it's jazz-funk. It's true. The other zeuhl bands don't really make much effort to sound like Magma at their best.
*wonders if either the thread-poster or Shakespeare have heard Jannick Top's "Soleil d'Ork", the zeuhl masterpiece that says death~! to the impurity of jazz*
Edited by laplace - February 01 2008 at 20:54
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