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Gerinski
Prog Reviewer
Joined: February 10 2010
Location: Barcelona Spain
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Posted: December 04 2010 at 13:40 |
moshkito wrote:
Almost all of us reviewers that have been at it for years, do not need to listen to things that many times ... we have way more reference points for most stuff that we listen to, than the music itself has for us. And that is the difference.
It's the same thing for Foreign Art/Film Reviews, of which I have 500 or more and half of that in the Internet Movie Database ... there is no chance of seeing the films a second time, so if your attention is not there, why are you writing a review (first) and (second) what are you doing here?
I am not sure I would want to suggest that "regular" listeners do not have the same ability and are not used to seeing/hearing something different. The only issue I have with the majority of the music listed here, is the same reason I do not review top ten ... 10k people already done it ... what do you need my review for? ... besides, I only do the ones that they are not big enough to try, yet! The ones no one knows or has heard of before, because that is where the majority of gems are these days ... the rest is way too comercial and we need to start dropping most of those reviews, specially when some of the groups are mere mom and pop copies and not progressive at all. |
What are you talking about? You may write a lot of poetry but if I'm not wrong you have posted only one review in PA, for ITCOTCK, and we must thank god because if there were many more reviews like that here I'm quite sure they would put off anybody from listening to prog.
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chrijom
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Joined: October 23 2010
Location: UK
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Posted: December 04 2010 at 13:51 |
I think this thread's getting a bit pretentious.
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rogerthat
Prog Reviewer
Joined: September 03 2006
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Posted: December 04 2010 at 22:02 |
FunkyM wrote:
"Because, unlike movies and books, music always requires (and rewards) repeated listenings over a long period of time, usually more than two years."
I dunno. I think I'd get a heck of a lot more out of seeing Bridge on the River Kwai multiple times than I would from listening to Ke$ha's Animal. I don't think this theory holds up for me.
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On similar lines, I don't see why a great book is not worth reading over and over. It arguably applies more to books than to music or movies in that the former may take longer to digest unless one's idea of serious writing be Alchemist.
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Rune2000
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Joined: May 23 2004
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Posted: December 05 2010 at 05:09 |
paganinio wrote:
I see this phrase in reviews a lot. X album "invites and rewards repeated listening", as if other albums didn't.Stop using this phrase! Every album rewards repeated listening! ... |
That's not entirely true. I have noticed that most of the simpler prog genre music, *running for cover* like crossover, symphonic, metal, proto etc., is easier to gasp after only a few spins of althe album at hand. This doesn't mean that I will write my review immediately after 2-3 revisits, but my attention to details starts to stagnate rapidly.
The opposite of this example of Rio/Avant-prog bands that generally require a whole lot more time and effort for me to get into. If you've read my 5-star review of Miriodor's - Avanti!, then you'll know that I hated that album at first but have now grown into it.
I simply consider your opinion invalid when discussing the complete spectrum of prog music.
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freyacat
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Joined: February 17 2004
Location: United States
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Posted: December 14 2010 at 09:52 |
I think that the thesis here is entirely wrong. People say that an album "rewards repeated listening" for a reason. It could almost be a definition of art music. Pop music is supposed to grab you on the first listen, and so the musical rewards are right up front for you to enjoy - catchy verse/chorus/riff, simple, clear lyrical ideas, etc. The first time I listened to the introduction of "Close to the Edge," I thought, "what is this hippie garbage? They're just making noise!" But it was intentional enough that I kept thinking about it and returning to it. Decades later, I am captivated by this piece of music. I learned to recognize that initial apprehension as a sign that this music might require some sustained attention. Following that sign has been a joyous lifelong quest!
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brainstormer
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Joined: January 20 2008
Location: Seattle, WA
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Posted: December 14 2010 at 21:37 |
Attahk was the first Magma album I owned. I didn't like it and couldn't really play it the whole way through. I came back to it shortly, and started liking it more and more. I then championed that album even when it was unpopular (in the mid 1990's, most Magma fans online said they didn't like it). Even after hearing the rest of their catalog it's still one of my favorites.
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Baggra
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Posted: December 18 2010 at 08:54 |
All this palaver going down every forum that TfTO is epitome of excess & over-complication is lost on me.
Its a clear masterpiece and I took it (just about) completely in on first listen.
Now, concerning an example of a lp that really opened up the horizons on repeated listens, in my case at least:
the concept lp, and Birthcontrol's proggiest, "Backdoor Possibilities".
I think the complexity on this amazing lp is down mainly to the - uncharacteristic for Birthcontrol! - complex vocal harmonies.
This didnt really hit me till the third or fourth listen.
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AllP0werToSlaves
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Posted: December 20 2010 at 11:50 |
I think it really depends on the artist/album. Gorguts "Obscura" takes many a listen to really sink in, let alone make any sense to the untrained prog listener.
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CloseToTheMoon
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Joined: September 28 2010
Location: Michigan
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Posted: December 24 2010 at 14:29 |
I agree it's a cliche phrase, but it's exactly true in many cases. Especially with experimental or progressive albums. Like the previously mentioned TFTO. When I got that on vinyl, I listened to only one track at a time so I could wrap my head around it better. It's in my top 3 Yes albums because there's so much in it.
I'd say a straight pop album should be almost immediately likable but after I heard Pet Sounds for the first time, I was almost unimpressed. I like it the more I listen to it, but I still haven't heard a great master of it. Sonically it's nowhere near Sgt. Pepper or even Days of the Future Passed.
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