Prog Song Pit
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Topic: Prog Song Pit
Posted By: Horizons
Subject: Prog Song Pit
Date Posted: February 26 2015 at 17:38
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Howdy people. I just wanted to start a thread that'll hopefully last a bit longer than a simple poll or discussion thread. I wanted to make a thread similar to the Weekly Prog Album thread that was pretty popular not too long ago but make it more frequent and instead of albums i would be posting a song every other day. I plan on going back and forth between classic (60-80s) and modern (90-today) with each alternating song post and hopefully diving between different genres and obscurities. Early on will be more classic and big-name prog artists here on PA, just to get the ball rolling and hopefully to start getting some attention, but this will also involve me learning about bands and hopefully exchanging recommendations and thoughts. I hope people will take part in the listening of songs and share any type of thoughts on each song. Like it? love it? hate it? Which parts? Band similar? Favorite section? Whatever. I'll be starting with Marillion's Incubus. I'm not a big fan or advocate of neo music, but Fish-era Marillion has some music that i can enjoy and this is one of the songs. Fish has always reminded me of Gabriel in style, not to try to draw more comparisons between the two bands. I personally think the drums in this song really shine, while the keyboards come off as a bit annoying. When it comes to the neo-prog genre here on PA i think my favorite album is Clutching at Straws - while no band has really captured me entirely. My next song post will be on 2/28.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: February 27 2015 at 01:32
| Fugazi is the best album from Fish era Marillion and that song is the best on it imo. In general I preferred IQ while Marillion came off as a bit too theatrical although Mr Dick certainly had a fantastic stage presence and that no doubt helped them become successful ( Pete Nicholls on the other hand was a bit shy and suffered from stage fright) |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: February 27 2015 at 01:58
Incubus is a great tune 
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Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: February 27 2015 at 09:31
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I'm more ambivalent. Not up to the standards of the Script. The only thing worthwhile about this song was the vocal. The instrumental backing needs a shot of adrenaline or smelling salts or something. The instruments didn't really interact with the vocal, not with any sort of intricacy. In fact, I would say there was a disconnect. They were just holding down chords or arpeggiating as with the finger picking. The finger picking was so simple that it just felt unworthy. The vocal was fantastic and I think Fish stands in his own right apart Gabriel, but he tires me out long term. My big criticism of Marillion was they weren't more instrumentally driven, and I would apply that same criticism to this song. I'll have to go over the lyrics again, but seem to have a pornography theme. Fish handles psychologically sensitive themes with beautiful sensitivity. Question: Is the intention of this thread to premiere and discuss songs in the form of vocals and lyrics or in the broader Prog sense as musical pieces? |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: February 27 2015 at 09:42
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I can go either way honestly. If you find that the most interesting and worthwhile parts of a song i post are the lyrics, themes, and vocals then go ahead and bring it up. It really doesn't matter. And the disconnect of vocals and the instrumentation I can hear, though i can say that i feel that drums have some interplay of sorts with the vocals. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: February 27 2015 at 10:22
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That was an enjoyable song. I hadn't heard it before. I'm familiar with the Misplaced Childhood album, and this song compares favorably with that. Can't really contribute a deep analysis of what I heard, but I liked the fact that it had dynamics, a dramatic structure, and interesting melodies. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: sublime220
Date Posted: February 27 2015 at 10:23
Ditto ------------- There is no dark side in the moon, really... Matter of fact, it's all dark... |
HolyMoly wrote:Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: February 27 2015 at 10:55
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As Steve said, this song (and everything else on Marillion's first two albums) compares favourably with Misplaced Childhood, an album that never clicked with me. Though Fish's vocals are undoubtedly an acquired taste (like Peter Hammill, in my opinion his real inspiration), they work very well with both the music and the lyrics. When Hogarth stepped in to replace Fish, the band gained a lot in terms of subtlety, though they lost the visceral impact of their original singer's personality. |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 27 2015 at 11:25
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: February 27 2015 at 12:03
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When i listen to them, it is exclusively Fish era and I mainly keep to Script, Fugazi, and my personal favorite: Clutching At Straws, the only album of theirs that i entirely enjoy.
I've never thought of the Hammill comparison though I guess I hear it. I just find his inflections and phrasing very Gabriel'ish. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: February 27 2015 at 12:14
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Fish's lyrics themselves may be closer to Hammill - they both sing in the first person a lot, where Gabriel prefers a more storytelling tone. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 27 2015 at 12:21
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nice idea man... I'll listen to this later and post my thoughts. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 27 2015 at 13:16
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ok... first listen to this song. (and a 2nd just to be sure) And first Marillion listens in quite a few years. I never made it to this album before knowing this band (especially the Fish era) wasn't for me.
yeah. More power to those that get into this stuff man.. but I can't. Be sure to pick something more interesting with the next one  ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: February 27 2015 at 13:21
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Yes sir. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 27 2015 at 13:29
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great idea btw. Well done. Look forward to seeing what you come up with next. I'll listen to whatever you pick, just have some pity and mercy on us. It is supposed to be prog... it doesn't even have to be good.. but it should at least be interesting. Stimulate reactions... not inducing yawns. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: February 27 2015 at 13:31
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inb4 The Mars Voltage ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: February 27 2015 at 13:36
YES!!!! |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 27 2015 at 13:47
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NO!!! exactly what I mean. Unlike that drivel earlier.. while I can't stand TMV.. one thing I can not say about them is they are bland or formulaic.. or derived. Thus they have a value that goes FAR beyond whether I like them or you do or whatever. That is what prog should do. If you aren't pushing the boundaries you are just a generic knockoff prog band.  However when you push the boundaries.. you will lose people. That could be.. and should be seen as a positive in this particular branch of music. Prog. Shame I just can't enjoy them. Strange.. for heavy aggressive music is STRAIGHT right up my stylistic alley. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: February 27 2015 at 14:09
I laughed out loud. I knew a shredder had to see a TMV post incoming. BUT IT WON'T BE SOON k My favorite band will eventually be posted here :3 Like i said in my original post, i'm going to try to discover music inbetween posts, as well as post some things that i don't personally love and find amazing. I don't want this to be a "Listen to music i like and tell me it is good" thread. If i wanted it to be that i wouldn't of opened the thread with a genre i typically slam and a band that hasn't been on my ipod in months. I appreciate the kudos micky, and I will really try to find things that are interesting, enjoyable, unique, and fresh. Now that doesn't mean every song is going to even one of those but
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Posted By: 'PiphanyRambler
Date Posted: February 27 2015 at 14:21
For some reason, since the first time I heard "Incubus", the part which stuck to my mind the most is when Fish goes "ooooo-AH!" at the start of the song. I keep humming that bit during the day (and I probably sound pretty stupid for doing so  ).And I love that sweet guitar solo in the middle. Apart from that, I too think that Fish sounds a bit like Gabriel, but I don't think that Marillion and Genesis sound similar on Fugazi. On that album, Marillion have more punch than classic Genesis (Incubus isn't the right song to showcase that, though). |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: February 27 2015 at 14:59
 I agree a few intermediate steps are needed between Marillion and TMV. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 27 2015 at 16:31
bah.. it is easy just no more Neo-prog and I'm quite sure we'll be just fine ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: February 28 2015 at 10:46
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I'll be posting a new song later today ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 28 2015 at 10:51
I hope you throw in a ringer from time to time like something from the Mahavishnu Orchestra. 
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: February 28 2015 at 10:51
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A ringer? ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 28 2015 at 10:53
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^Just an expression for something out of ordinary. ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: February 28 2015 at 10:54
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I would think a ringer would mean a popular favorite. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 28 2015 at 10:56
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^I thought it meant a suprise favorite. Oh well, never mind then. ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 28 2015 at 11:07
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Ringer. Noun (us definition): (US) a contestant, esp a horse, entered in a competition under false representations of identity, record, or ability. I'm a bit older and some word meanings have changed over time. Prison guards used to be called Screws at one time. Now they're just called...Correction Officers.
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: February 28 2015 at 11:31
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Yeah, seems the word is used by a lot of people for a lot of different meanings. That dictionary definition isn't really close to what either of us were saying. Anyway, no matter. Bring on Round Two! ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 28 2015 at 11:40
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^Agreed. But it's nice for someone like me to get a update! And round 2 for the Mars Volta!
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: February 28 2015 at 12:38
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For round 2 I bring you the one and only Gazpacho. From their masterful Night, this band beautifully blends moody alt-rock with interesting progressive structures and musicianship. I'll be posting my thoughts a little later. Enjoy. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: silverpot
Date Posted: February 28 2015 at 13:19
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I've never come around to listen to Gazpacho until now. I really liked this and will definately check them out further. Thank you. Good thread. |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: February 28 2015 at 13:26
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Glad to hear mate. Yea they're fantastic. Like i said, i would start with Night. One of my favorite moments of the song is the quick, more quiet chunks at the guitar in the beginning. For some reason i feel anyone else would turn up the guitars, but here it is an example of less is more. Plus it makes the "drop" much more effective. The vocals are top notch and really just sits on the pocket. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: February 28 2015 at 13:36
| Hmm... I liked it to an extent, and I'd say your description of it was pretty apt. It starts off with an interesting but limited palette, as a lot of alternative rock does, and stays that way for quite awhile. For awhile I'm thinking there are probably a frustrating number unplayed notes in the scale (no one ever accused Alt Rock of having excessive noodling!), but then the palette of sound thickens and more note variety gets introduced about half way through. I'll have to listen again. |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: February 28 2015 at 13:40
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Yes it's quite mellow and minimal for the first half. But it really capitalizes on the subtle additions of other instruments and blurbs as it approaches the climax. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Littlecarrots
Date Posted: February 28 2015 at 19:01
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Chequered Light Buildings is an amazing song, yet I have always found it not as strong as the rest of the album. I certainly love the guitar chunks on the climax, almost "off-time" sounding for a few seconds. I also love the addition of the organ in that section, and the drums sound amazing the whole way through. As a stand-alone song, is beautiful and intense, I love the atmospheric guitar ending that connects so perfectly with Upside Down (which is my second favourite song off the album, but that's not really important here). I also think the lyrics aren't as strong as in other songs from the band, though they aren't really bad.
Oh, and well, the idea was thinking of what other bands the musi reminded us of, right? I would say that this song in particular, aside from the obvious Marillion, Radiohead and even Pink Floyd comparisons, it reminds me of both the post-rock band Spaces and irish alt-rock band Bell X1, both on their most psychedelic moments. |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: February 28 2015 at 22:51
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Wonderful post, thank you. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: March 01 2015 at 07:09
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I have to admit I am not a big fan of the KScope school of "post-prog". In particular, all the Gazpacho albums i have heard have failed to make much of an impression, as I found them rather one-dimensional. That said, this song is quite enjoyable, especially the instrumental section with its unexpected, guitar-driven crescendo. In my view, Radiohead and Porcupine Tree are obvious comparisons, the former on account of the vocal style, the latter in terms of song structure. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 01 2015 at 07:18
excellent choice.. I remember this band well from the old genre team days.  I don't think we added it, perhaps it was one the bands we had to investigate and parcel out among the new subs when we broke up the old Art Rock subgenre. We did 100's of bands that way, this is one of them I remember.*2 listens later* It isn't music that one listens to get amped up for a hot date, or even music that inspires you to plug in and crank the amp, but music made for sitting on the couch with a good book. It is music that sort of washes over you rather than through you if that makes any sense. I do like the way the song builds into that climatic bit, but especially love how it comes down in the last minute or so of the song. Very enjoyable! ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: TheGazzardian
Date Posted: March 01 2015 at 07:56
| Oh man, huge fan of this band, album, and song. Great choice. |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: March 01 2015 at 09:49
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Gazz, man! Great to see you. And thanks. I'll be posting the next song sometime tomorrow. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: March 02 2015 at 14:04
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Here you go folks. Hope you enjoy. I'll be posting my thoughts later. Discuss! ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: 'PiphanyRambler
Date Posted: March 02 2015 at 14:59
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Well, I had never heard Amon Duul before, but now I'm curious. This song is very "bright", I like it. And there's a violin. I always love it when there's one. And, before I looked it up, I thought the vocalist was male, since I'm so used to those male singers who have "helium voices". |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: March 02 2015 at 15:41
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Glad to hear. I'm not very well versed in Krautrock, though i love Can. I love the acoustic guitar throughout the song. Really adds another dimension to each section. And yes, the singer sounds slightly male. But thats okay. They are cool regardless. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: calm_sea
Date Posted: March 02 2015 at 16:57
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I love Amon Duul II. You'll never hear a complaint from me about them. |
Posted By: Littlecarrots
Date Posted: March 02 2015 at 19:11
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First time listening to Amon Duul II here, too. On a first listen I have to say I loved the bass the whole way through. It got stuck on my mind. The violin flourishes are nice, and I especially love keyboards and ambience between 2:50 and 3:20 aprox. Also that weird synth/guitar? solo during the six minute is crazy and so interesting! The acoustic guitar towards the end is amazing, as well as with the violin I love the folksy tone it gives to the song. The female singer is definitely one of the most interesting aspects, even when her sound is quite similar to some male singers. She reminded me of folk singer Laura Marling for some weird reason. The whole song reminded me of A Very Cellular Song by The Incredible String Band even though they are very different -if that makes sense-, and some more 'dissonant' moments remind me of the noisier side of the Grateful Dead and Neutral Milk Hotel.
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Posted By: sublime220
Date Posted: March 02 2015 at 19:19
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Amon Duul II!! I love your choices man. Nothing that everyone has already heard before, but nothing too obscure. Perfect! ------------- There is no dark side in the moon, really... Matter of fact, it's all dark... |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: March 02 2015 at 23:55
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Thanks guys for the thoughtful posts. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: March 03 2015 at 05:13
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I am very familiar with this song, as ADII are one of Micky's Top 10 bands, and their albums are frequent guests of our CD player. This album in particular (Wolf City) is my favourite of a band that I have grown to appreciate over the years, though it wasn't always so. A friend of ours (also a fan) once called ADII "the European answer to Jefferson Airplane", which I think is (at least in part) a rather fitting description - though the Germans are definitely more edgy and adventurous than the legendary San Francisco outfit. Regarding this particular song, my favourite element of it is the violin - which reminds me of East of Eden, another great early prog band that sadly seems to have been forgotten by most prog fans. On the other hand, Renate Knaup's vocals are definitely an acquired taste. I am still somewhat ambivalent about them, though they are undeniably an integral part of the band's sound. |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: March 03 2015 at 08:08
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I must get back to Gazpacho when I get the chance. I have one of their albums, and it sounds good, but it's just not the kind of thing I typically listen to so I only hear it very occasionally. As for Amon Duul II, I admire them greatly. I'm not quite as big a fan of Wolf City as most people, though I'd place it in their top 5 albums without much trouble. Surrounded by the Stars has a great opening - I think it gets the album off to a great start. It has "majestic epic" vibes that no other ADII track really had until then - although they had their share of epics, they were mostly of the "underground freak music" type (which I actually prefer, but still). I could personally do without the violin, I have a hard time with that instrument sometimes, but Karrer takes the instrument in more psychedelic directions than most. Most violin players use it either to impart a sense of "classical sophistication" or "rootsy authenticity" (in which it then becomes a "fiddle"). Chris Karrer just uses it to make creepy noises, which is cool - but my inborn bias keeps me at arms' length. Renate's vocals are also a bit iffy for me. She sounds kind of like Nico in a frantic mood. Still, she's Renate, and they're ADII, and that's good enough for me to pronounce them eternally cool. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: bloodnarfer
Date Posted: March 03 2015 at 10:58
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I've been a fan of gazpacho for a long while, and Night is my favorite album from them. Tons of studying hours spent listening to Chequered Lights back in college days. Although I'd say that it's probably the most 'passive' song on the album and my least favorite for that reason. I'm not sure who they remind me of. Maybe some combination of lunatic soul and early pineapple theif in my mind. Obviously Radiohead, but that goes for so many bands its kind of a valueless comparison. As for Amon Duul II, I just experienced them for the first time last week by listening to Yeti and I already am pretty hooked. They don't really remind of any other Krautrock bands, which is pretty exciting. For some reason the vocals remind of of Wootton from Comus.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 03 2015 at 13:28
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awesome man. Nice to see some first time and new listeners turned on to ADII and yeah.. Yeti will hook you. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: March 03 2015 at 14:05
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I have to listen to Yeti ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 03 2015 at 16:04
hah.. I know (and count on you) are a champion of the modern stuff man.. but you do have to check that album out. Along with Tanz der Lemminge.. and Phallus Dei best description of that album... mine 'Tanz is like walking through a haunted house; Yeti is like being chased through one' ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: March 03 2015 at 16:52
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ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo I do like that description. Will do.  ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: March 04 2015 at 07:23
That sums up Marillion very well for me.. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: March 04 2015 at 10:10
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In the same period I have discovered Gazpacho from Norway and Iceberg from Spain. I'm used to confuse them. ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: March 04 2015 at 10:16
| Gazpacho's debut Bravo and Night an Tick Tock were on my radar but after Tick Tock their sound and formula went stale for me. |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: March 04 2015 at 15:06
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For today's pick i decided to dabble into the Post-Rock genre. Post-Rock and Math-Rock are special to me, and I feel are sometimes misunderstood in prog rock circles. Here we have The Evpatoria Report's C.S.S Logbook. I hope everyone takes the time and listens to this without many distractions. Music like this is a lot like jazz, because of the instrumental nature - both the most subtle nuances and the biggest revolutions in the music are important and have an impact of what came before and what will happen in the song. I consider this song an excellent introduction to this side of Post-Rock and hope the song sparks interest in the album and artist like my previous posts seemed to. As always, my other thoughts will come a little later. Enjoy everyone. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: silverpot
Date Posted: March 04 2015 at 16:27
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I used to listen a lot to Amon Düül in my youth but haven't for ages now. It was a nostalgic trip, but alas, I think my taste has changed. I find it rather tedious, pretentious even. Now, this Evpatoria Report sounds like something I'd like to explore further. |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: March 04 2015 at 16:32
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Gloveka is one of the greatest post-rock albums ever, in my opinion. Check it out. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: silverpot
Date Posted: March 04 2015 at 16:41
I'm listening now actually. It's on Spotify. |
Posted By: sublime220
Date Posted: March 04 2015 at 18:08
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Wow, that was absolutley breathtaking. Good job . This was a pleasant surprise as I absolutely love PR. Can't believe I've never heard of them. LILIHI: Loved It Which Parts: Loved the snares at 6:26. Really nice progression. Band Similar: The Ascent Of Everest, one of my favourites, although it's a little lighter. I love this idea. ------------- There is no dark side in the moon, really... Matter of fact, it's all dark... |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: March 04 2015 at 18:33
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I love post-rock, so nice to leave vocals behind and just ride the emotion. Nice pick. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/shorts/sQD8uhpWXCw" rel="nofollow - It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood...Road Rage Edition |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: March 04 2015 at 20:27
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Thanks. To put the song's title in perspective. C.S.S Logbook refers to the Columbia Space Shuttle. The entire song is a musical representation of the final ride of the crew on Feb 1, 2003. The shuttle exploded on re-entry, killing all seven aboard. As many will say, the ending is not a mistake - the song cuts off intentionally, and when put into context, i feel makes the ending not only brilliant, but beautifully morbid in a way. Titles can do wondrous things. These guys pull off another great title with this album's opener, Taijin Kyofusho. Which according to wikipedia. " is a Japanese culture-specific syndrome. The term taijin kyofusho translates into the disorder (sho) of fear (kyofu) of interpersonal relations (taijin).[1] This culture-bound syndrome is a social phobia dealing with social anxiety. Those who have Taijin Kyofusho are likely to be extremely embarrassed of themselves or displeasing to others when it comes to the functions of their bodies or their appearances. These bodily functions and appearances include their faces, odor, actions, or even looks. They do not want to embarrass other people with their presence. This culture-bound syndrome is based on fear and anxiety.[2] The symptoms of this disorder include avoiding social outings and activities, rapid heartbeat, shortness of breath, panic attacks, trembling, and feelings of dread and panic when around people. The causes of this disorder are mainly from emotional trauma or psychological defense mechanism." ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 05 2015 at 06:10
A first listen here, we have a few Math-Rock albums, a few Postie albums. I definitely gravitate more towards post-rock for packing a more emotional punch than Math-Rock has ever been capable of delivering. That said, I really enjoyed the track, especially the break around the middle of the song. Great choice Austin ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: 'PiphanyRambler
Date Posted: March 05 2015 at 07:27
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A wonderful song. I really like post-rock and I'm surely going to check out this album. The first half reminds me (just a bit) of Do Make Say Think (which I love).
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: March 05 2015 at 16:50
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I have only listened to one DMST album, but i'll give them a try again. I didn't dislike it, I think i just never continued. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: LearsFool
Date Posted: March 05 2015 at 16:55
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^ Which one did you listen to? -------------  
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: March 05 2015 at 16:58
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Other Truths. I remember liking that artwork from them the most and just started there. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: LearsFool
Date Posted: March 05 2015 at 17:05
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^ Nice. Once you get back around to more from them, go for Goodbye Enemy Airship The Landlord is Dead. -------------
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Posted By: Littlecarrots
Date Posted: March 05 2015 at 18:16
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I really need to check this album! First time listening to the band and got me hooked. I really love post-rock, though it's been a long time since I listened to a 'new' band. I'm really digging the ambience of the middle of the song, and I love the subtle touches of keyboards? It kinda reminded me of cecilia::eyes and a bit of God Is An Astronaut, especially on their first albums.
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Posted By: silverpot
Date Posted: March 06 2015 at 10:02
Yep, great, I've just ordered it. I've been wondering what post-rock actually is. Now I know and it's absolutely my thing. Thanks again. |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: March 06 2015 at 11:40
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Here we have one of my favorite French bands, Atoll. It was hard picking a song from this album honestly. A majority of the music on this album is brilliant symphonic music with fusion instrumentals that can just fly. And while this song certainly does that I decided with this song because it has some interesting rhythms and passages that create a more dynamic song as well. Hope you guys enjoy. Their first two albums are top notch.
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Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: March 06 2015 at 11:43
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I really enjoy that album. Atoll is good. The cover reminds me of the vehicle Pokey uses in Earthbound. ------------- http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/ wtf |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: March 07 2015 at 09:31
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Bump ;o ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: 'PiphanyRambler
Date Posted: March 07 2015 at 11:33
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WOW! That song is amazing! It has some unsettling twists that make it very strange. Especially at the 2 minutes mark, I thought it was going in a peaceful and harmless direction, and instead it turned into something much more nightmarish. Great vocals too. I think Arachnoid (1979) have been (in part) inspired by this sound. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: March 07 2015 at 17:32
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As I haven't yet commented on the Evpatoria Report song, I will do so now, and then move on to Atoll. "C.S.S. Logbook" is a brilliant piece of music, with outstanding guitar work and use of crescendos and pauses of near-silence - a modern take on the "symphonic poem" that encourages the listener create a mental picture of the event. Other Post Rock tracks I have heard were more like an abstract painting than a descriptive one, but still the subgenre is unparalleled in the skillful creation of moods. Very different from traditional prog, but - in my view - every bit as good. As to the Atoll song, I was ready to dismiss it at the beginning - before it went all King Crimson on us. Definitely not your parents' symphonic prog, with sharp edges lurking behind the canonical lush arrangements. In a way, it reminded me of the approach of many Italian prog bands of the Seventies, successfully juxtaposing melody and aggression. |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: March 07 2015 at 17:53
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Atoll is a good pick Austin, though I like that dark Arachnoid album even better. Love many of the French bands. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/shorts/sQD8uhpWXCw" rel="nofollow - It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood...Road Rage Edition |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: March 07 2015 at 22:10
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Interesting idea for a thread and some interesting songs also.....being late to the thread ,and I'll blame my old age, I'll start with Amon Dull 2: good track from a good album and I have always liked Amon Dull 2 .My original vinyl is still in good shape after all these years. Don't have any post or math rock but I did like that track by Evpatoria; reminded me of Radiohead for some reason but I liked it better than their music. Is Evpatoria typical math/post rock..? If so I might have to pick up some. I have that Atoll along with the 2 other early ones and while I don't play French prog or RPI all that often that is a group I do enjoy listening to...it has a spooky vibe to me and I love that cover art. I played that one on the way to work about a month or so ago. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: March 08 2015 at 22:54
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Sorry guys my internet went out today so i wasn't able to make a post. I'll get a song up tomorrow. Also glad to hear more and more positive feedback. Dr. Evpatoria's main distinguishing characteristic about their music is quality. As i said before, Gloveka is one of the best post-rock albums out there. So yes you could say that their sound is similar to other fantastic post-rock bands, but that album is quite good. Doesn't mean you won't be blown away or like anything else by the genre, but you have to do some digging. I've posted a song from the genre before as a suggestion to you and you had the same positive response. I think you just need to dive into the less ambient side of post-rock and the more melodic side of math-rock . And yes, that Atoll artwork is top notch. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: March 09 2015 at 15:00
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Alrighty people. I picked a song that will probably get a little more resistance this time. Here we have Cynic. I'll be looking forward to what you think and i'll post my thoughts a bit later. Enjoy. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: LearsFool
Date Posted: March 09 2015 at 15:08
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Traced In Air is some fantastic work. Cynic, through that and last year's Kindly Bent To Free Us, have proven themselves masters of moving sonically from metal to heavy rock. Very good prog metal/rock, with that track one of the highlights. -------------
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Posted By: sublime220
Date Posted: March 09 2015 at 15:12
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I love the song but I'm wondering why you didn't pick a song from Focus. Maybe because everybody's heard it? ------------- There is no dark side in the moon, really... Matter of fact, it's all dark... |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: March 09 2015 at 15:34
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I prefer TiA to Focus because i prefer the production and emphasis on the vocals more. I felt that having a more up and front vocal song instead of a jazz metal dominated song would showcase the band in a different/better light. As Lear pointed out, the progression of Cynic's music has been moving from the more technical metal to heavy rock, with more alternative rock tendencies - mainly their most recent release. Traced In Air is one of those brilliant albums that captures not only a moment of transition, but the brilliance of both sides of that transition rather than a weak output that has no direction or is just simply weak. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: March 09 2015 at 16:11
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I had not yet heard anything from the much-praised Traced in Air, and I have to admit this song is quite different from what I expected. Being somewhat familiar with Focus, I thought the band's second album would also be an exercise in highly technical jazz-metal, and the accessibility of this song surprised me. With just a touch of growl in the vocals, and a nice melodic development, this is a song that can potentially appeal to people outside the tech/extreme metal fandom - provided, of course, they have some tolerance for heaviness (which is not always the case with prog fans). Very good choice, which makes me want to hear more from Traced in Air. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 09 2015 at 16:12
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a couple of songs behind.. you slipped one in while I wasn't looking..I'll catch up later this evening after we finish digging this new album we got today. but Cynic.. THAT of all groups was the one I came of the battle of the bands contest the most interested in. I had a ringer (Kelvin) pick the samples because I knew jack sh*t about the group. I loved the damn samples. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Eh-Dogg
Date Posted: March 09 2015 at 22:39
| Thanks for starting this thread! I love hearing all the new artists you guys suggest! |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: March 09 2015 at 22:55
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Great to hear mate. Enjoy. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: March 13 2015 at 18:34
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I'm back. Sorry i totally dropped the ball and forgot to post. Forgive me!! In return i'll be giving you two classic era songs for you guys to discuss and look into. I know - i'm so kind. First off we have a German band, Carol of Harvest. Leaning on the more symphonic side of folky prog, in the vein of Renaissance. They definitely aren't acoustic driven, but the wonderfully earthy vocals on some fantastic leads give way to a great jam. The non-lyrical vocals coming in at the second half are by far my favorite part, and though while i prefer the band to take a bit more risks in the composition, similar to what that Atoll song did, this song has energy and never loses steam or drags for too long. Then we got something a little bit contrasting. Still reigning from Germany, Brainticket is an psychedlic kraut band. It's funky, it's eerie, it's interesting. It's something you should hear. I love the cavernous vocals and well as that fuzzy bass groove throughout the song. These guys are kings of atmosphere and if you like real free-flow music, check out their debut as well as this album - Celestial Oceans.
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Posted By: 'PiphanyRambler
Date Posted: March 14 2015 at 09:03
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Oh nice, the songs are back! Let's see... "Try a little bit" sounds good but it doesn't leave me totally amazed. I think the sound of the keyboard employed here is what makes the song shine (e.g. the part before the wordless vocals). "Egyptian Kings" on the other hand drew me in immediately. I wouldn't know which word to use to describe it other than "weird". It's as if Genesis took "The Waiting Room" and developed it into a song (it kinda sounds like something out of "The Lamb"). |
Posted By: ebil0505
Date Posted: March 14 2015 at 12:45
I have recently discovered the wonderful music of The Mars Volta I think Frances the Mute is my favorite, especially if you include the single of the same name with it.I like this thread, it makes me happy. ------------- "I like to think oysters transcend national barriers." - Roger Waters |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: March 17 2015 at 17:38
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Time to rescue this excellent thread from impending oblivion! I apologize for not having posted for a while, though I did find the time to listen to both the German songs you posted a few days ago. "Try a Little Bit" is very nice (especially the vocals), and I can see the Renaissance comparisons. However, I also found it somewhat lacking in character, and - as you aptly pointed out - ultimately a bit too safe. "Inoffensive" is a word that comes to mind while listening to this song. On the other hand, "Egyptian Kings" really made me want to explore Brainticket's music further. This is the kind of progressive rock I like these days - intriguing, weird and full of esoteric influences. |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: March 17 2015 at 18:49
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Thanks Raff for the post, i appreciate it. I'll try keeping the posts going, hoping for more attention.
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Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: March 17 2015 at 22:46
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For the first half the lyrics made me wince a bit; a little too high falutin' and operatic-like. I liked it better later when she was scat singing. The instrumental side was top notch throughout with plenty of twists and turns in the arrangements. I've been listening to Gong - You day after day lately in my car on the long drive to town, and Egyptian Kings sounds kind of similar yet not as good, especially with respect to the vocals. |
Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: March 30 2015 at 19:36
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Just discovered this thread and like the concept but am 8 songs behind!
1. No fan of Fish-era Marillion; this song didn’t change my mind any. 2. Have loved Gazpacho’s Night for years—and it remains my favorite album of theirs—but for some reason I’d never really given “Chequered Lights” any attention before. Always cued up “Upside Down” “Dream of Stone” or “Massive Illusion”—so, Thanks! Have to give the full album a listen again soon. 3. Amon Düul II song, “Surrounded by the Stars” was great. Don’t know Wolf City. Yet. I have Phallus Dei and Tanz der Lemminge. I like the “German Jefferson Airplane” comparison! 4. “C.S.S.Logbook” by The Evpatoria Report starts out really cool with the marching band-like drum sounds. Then the hypnotic organ and guitar sounds. Reminds me of The Appleseed Cast and Caspian (two of my favorite Post Rock/Math Rock bands). BTW: What exactly is the difference between “Post Rock” and “Math Rock” and why are they lumped together? Like the speedy arpeggi in the third minute. The building guitar strumming is a bit clumsy but the drums flash nicely. I really like the PINK FLOYD/RADIOHEAD-like near-silence in the middle. That guitarist in the right channel is really awesome! Second listen was so awesome! Thanks for that one. A band worth checking out! 5. ATOLL’s “Le photographe exorciste” sounds awesome! I’d been aware of them for a while but had never followed through to try to hear any of their music before, so, again, THANKS! Great first minute with the dramatic synth chords, narrative French vocal and interesting incidentals. Genesis, Eloy and Gong all rolled into one! Love the way that the drums kind of sneak into the song—and the way the craziness escalates with both guitars and voices! Awesome driving bass line at the three minute mark! But then it goes back. Interesting shift at the end of the fifth minute. Camel-esque. Cool “Red”-shift at 6:15 and ensuing dissonant fuzz guitar solo. What an outro! Violin! Second time through I could definitely pick out more violin. Got to check out this album! 6. From Traced in Air we have CYNIC’s “The Space for This.” I liked the album greatly when it came out but have to admit I haven’t given it much attention since. I like the fact that Cynic takes the sub-genre more into melody, space and subtlety than many of their contemporaries—and never seem to get so grating on my ears as, say, much of Devin Townsend. 7. CAROL OF HARVEST’s “Try a Little Bit” opens with some bluesy electric guitar arpeggios setting up the female vocals. She reminds me of some folk rock diva. Awesome electric guitar solo in the third minute. Like the vocalist’s scatting throughout the second half of the song—her solo rivaling any of the other instruments. Kind of more of a classic rock song up to this point. Any relation to Snifff’n’the Tears? 8. Barely a week passes without my playing “Egyptian Kings.” I just love the energy and spirit of Vandroogenbroeck’s “Cottonwoodhill” projects. If you keep ‘em coming I’ll try to stay up! Thanks for the intro to Atoll and The Evpatoria Report! Two bands that I will definitely be checking out (already got ‘em cued up on Spotify!) ------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: March 30 2015 at 19:54
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Thanks mate. Glad to hear. Unfortunately i stopped posting because of the lack of interest it seemed to get. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: March 30 2015 at 20:08
Horizons hello  This a great pit stop prog song, Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking by Roger Waters with Eric Claption on guitars and killed it here, his lead and response to the vocals are the most sensitive tunes awwww
   all the way through the guitar tune is so precious, the actual guitar solo starts at 3.28min https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6_RnKjKLJ0" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6_RnKjKLJ0 |
Posted By: sublime220
Date Posted: March 30 2015 at 21:24
I liked this idea.------------- There is no dark side in the moon, really... Matter of fact, it's all dark... |