The Slaughterhouse (The Noise/Industrial thread)
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Topic: The Slaughterhouse (The Noise/Industrial thread)
Posted By: Sheavy
Subject: The Slaughterhouse (The Noise/Industrial thread)
Date Posted: April 07 2015 at 01:41
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I think there is enough people here that enjoy this dark and evil sector of music to keep this thread alive and wriggling, so here it is, the unanticipated and unwanted (by some) filth hole for Noise, Industrial, Power Electronics, Death Industrial, Dark Ambient etc. Post your favorite albums or artists, artists/albums you don't like, recommendations, what you've been digging recently, whatever. I'll start the ball rolling with an artist I doubt many people here are familiar with, and one I have recently been enjoying the Australian Industrial project Browning Mummery. Formed by Andrew Lonsdale in 1983, and utilising the help of various other collaborators, BM was one of the first artists to have a release on the infamous experimental label Extreme in the early 80's. Browning Mummery's sound often has a thick, disturbing and foreboding industrial atmosphere, at the crossroads of ambient and industrial at times, though always retaining the lo-fi grit and grime of a true Industrial band. It wouldn't be out of place to say 80's Browning Mummery cassettes were precursers to what is now Dark Ambient. Browning Mummery's early cassette releases are must listens to fans of ambient leaning industrial music. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhgn010ilpU" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhgn010ilpU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uraWG737luU" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uraWG737luU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skyPRQ3urq4" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skyPRQ3urq4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx_KXJ5MlsQ" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx_KXJ5MlsQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYxlajLQ_w0" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYxlajLQ_w0 ------------- 
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Posted By: LearsFool
Date Posted: April 08 2015 at 18:48
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Twseel and I have really been digging this noise artist from Brazil who goes by the handle It's Over, I Tried. Really good and stark minimalistic kind of noise. http://itsoveritried.bandcamp.com/album/6-02am" rel="nofollow - http://itsoveritried.bandcamp.com/album/6-02am http://itsoveritried.bandcamp.com/album/dark-circles-around-our-eyes" rel="nofollow - http://itsoveritried.bandcamp.com/album/dark-circles-around-our-eyes http://itsoveritried.bandcamp.com/album/gaslight" rel="nofollow - http://itsoveritried.bandcamp.com/album/gaslight -------------  
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: April 08 2015 at 18:49
I'll be looking here for ironically accessible bands from the genres.  A question: I've heard that early Killing Joke is considered influential to Industrial. Is this true at all? I'm quite a fan of their debut. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: LearsFool
Date Posted: April 08 2015 at 18:56
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^ Killing Joke is reputed to have been a big influence on some of the early industrial rock bands, big examples being Ministry and Nine Inch Nails. -------------
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Posted By: Sheavy
Date Posted: April 08 2015 at 19:19
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I only heard a little of killing joke and I didn't really care for it, I ought to give their early stuffs a go. -------------
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: April 08 2015 at 19:22
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First three albums man.. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Pastmaster
Date Posted: April 08 2015 at 19:25
| Killing Joke was a huge influence on industrial rock/metal, even turning industrial metal themselves in the 90's. I prefer their industrial metal stuff, but some of their early stuff is pretty good such as 'What's THIS For...'. |
Posted By: twseel
Date Posted: April 09 2015 at 03:49
I've also been eating my way through and enjoying Alberich - NATO-Uniformen, which also seems to be quite popular on rateyourmusic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miXRKvbTFfM" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miXRKvbTFfM ------------- 
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Lear'sFool wrote:Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: April 09 2015 at 03:52
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It's a matter of dispute whether or not Killing Joke were at first really industrial, or just a punk band who happened to have been extremely influential on the industrial/noise-rock scene. No matter the case, I don't think that entire music culture would ever have really "clicked" for me if it wasn't for KJ. So they're one of the music groups that have done the most to expand my horizons, and I'm eternally grateful to Jaz and co. for that. Of course, now that they've absorbed back influences from their own imitators like Godflesh and Ministry, the answer is a very different one. The world is strange... ------------- "The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: April 09 2015 at 13:53
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its mostly Gordie Walker and drummer whos responsible, the way the guitarist tunesthe guitar and plays semi-acoustic guitar, in Killing Joke, I recomend the song Exorscisme from Pandemonium album for industrial heads. -------------  
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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: April 09 2015 at 14:19
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Never went into full Harsh Noise, Power Noise or Death Ambient (I stuck to Cabaret Voltaire and I barely know Rapoon and :zoviet*france:), but I should try Torturing Nurse. Too bad it's difficult to find their releases in France... or to find my way in their discography! Makes me think: Esplendor Geométrico was playing in Paris last saturday, but I couldn't go. What album should I start with? |
Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: April 09 2015 at 14:42
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I've never really listened to much industrial. Probably ought to give the genre a go. I have listened to a few harsh noise albums, and, although I can sit down and appreciate it to an extent, I don't really feel anything such that it becomes a memorable experience. With exceptions. Wold's brand of black noise I find pretty cool. That said, I've mostly listened to noise casually, usually with a couple of other tabs up. ------------- https://dreamwindow.bandcamp.com/releases" rel="nofollow - My Music 
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Posted By: LearsFool
Date Posted: April 09 2015 at 14:48
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Here's a little known industrial project called Morphogenesis. This project worked with all sorts of industrial, drone, and dark ambient sounds with purely electronic instrumentation, not just creating some killer and rare LPs but also long being a torch bearer for live electronic improvisation in the vein of the golden days of Stockhausen et al. -------------
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: April 09 2015 at 14:59
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Lears Fool, check is song, will be intersting to hear your thoughts afterwards http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zeCHAKrM4KA -------------
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Posted By: LearsFool
Date Posted: April 09 2015 at 15:08
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^ Very strong kind of industrial rock/metal. Lots of throbbing power. The song can probably best be described as the kind of song that forces you to like it. Very much sounds like a product of its time. -------------
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: April 09 2015 at 16:15
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nice analysis, very describtive. -------------
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: April 09 2015 at 16:17
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this song is also very good,http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3fbuW8TB_7o -------------
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Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: April 10 2015 at 11:31
The proper term is "rivethead".  "They use the word 'bourgeois.' They put sarcastic quotation marks around completely neutral nouns. They honestly believe that Throbbing Gristle has had any effect at all on anything or anyone outside of pretentious pseudo-intellectuals like themselves." - Mark Prindle on rivetheads ------------- "The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook |
Posted By: twseel
Date Posted: April 10 2015 at 12:47
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That 'funny' Mark Prindle... -------------
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Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: April 10 2015 at 13:05
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^^Noice to know. I guess drone doom would be welcome here? I'm exploring the genre about as slowly as the songs therein tend to move, but I'm generally liking it a lot. Much of it bears resemblance to Tibetan Bhuddist ritual music. Really digging Earth and Boris and Sunn O))). Any others I need to check out? ------------- https://dreamwindow.bandcamp.com/releases" rel="nofollow - My Music
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Posted By: Sheavy
Date Posted: April 10 2015 at 19:29
I really like Nadja, Black Boned Angel, Khanate, and Teeth Of Lions Rule The Divine. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hgl3AK8php8" rel="nofollow - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hgl3AK8php8 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oXwcyQufcqU" rel="nofollow - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oXwcyQufcqU https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gxGPPDbclKg" rel="nofollow - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gxGPPDbclKg https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNf2PWWLOew" rel="nofollow - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNf2PWWLOew -------------
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Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: April 11 2015 at 03:04
Never really thought of that music as the exact same culture as dark ambient/industrial/noise, in my experience it seems to be more popular with psychedelic hard rock and doom metal fans, but there is some fanbase crossover as Boris' collaborations with Merzbow prove. ------------- "The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook |
Posted By: twseel
Date Posted: April 12 2015 at 05:56
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I've been watching some Vomir live videos on youtube, what a revolutionary noisician... -------------
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Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: April 13 2015 at 01:49
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Some of the punks I hang out with have a side project in a similar vein, titled Skær. ("reef" in Danish) They're a bit less wall-of-noise and more dark ambient. I think they might even have done a film soundtrack a couple years ago? ------------- "The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook |
Posted By: twseel
Date Posted: April 13 2015 at 15:43
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That was pretty cool and intense, did not expect that. Lots of variation but also lots of tension. -------------
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Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: April 13 2015 at 21:07
@Sheavy, that Nadja album really hit the spot. ------------- https://dreamwindow.bandcamp.com/releases" rel="nofollow - My Music
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Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: April 14 2015 at 07:35
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Well, drone doom's evolution from Earth on to Sunn O))) and onwards does seem to be characterized by a move away from its psychedelic rock/doom metal origins, in order to draw more and more from the darker side of ambient music in terms of composition as well as textural development. It might be difficult to make out at first, though, because of the rock-based instrumentation. Dark ambient does have a cultural kinship with industrial/noise, though, so I guess drone doom belongs here, and that scene is responsible for both noiseniks getting into metal and metalheads getting into noise. ------------- "The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook |
Posted By: twseel
Date Posted: April 16 2015 at 16:11
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Don't you think there is also a link through the faster veriety of metal, with grindcore evolving into noisecore? Also noisenik is a nice term -------------
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Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: April 17 2015 at 02:34
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I think the common roots there are more on the punk side of things actually. Grindcore's descended as much from the most extreme hardcore punk subgenres, and culturally/ideologically closer to punk than metal for the most part. Noise rock is also squarely a member of punk's family tree, descended either from the No Wave movement in case of the more highbrow groups... or The Stooges' weirder moments filtered through The Birthday Party and The Jesus Lizard. You do sometimes see noise rock bands adapt grindcore and the occasional death metal influence, e. g. Melt-Banana whom I've been meaning to make a larger analytical post about but don't have time for right now.
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Posted By: twseel
Date Posted: April 17 2015 at 03:36
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Yes, alright, a punk link might make more sense. I have yet to hear Melt-Banana though. -------------
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Posted By: Sheavy
Date Posted: April 17 2015 at 08:58
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^ I also would add that noisecore didn't really evolve from grindcore, they formed at essentially the same time imho. Brigada Do Odio, Seven Minutes Of Nausea, and such were releasing things at the same time early grindcore was being released by Napalm Death and S.O.B. -------------
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Posted By: Sheavy
Date Posted: April 17 2015 at 09:02
Gave some songs from What's This For a try and I can't say I liked it too much. The vocals especially turned me off. -------------
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Posted By: Sheavy
Date Posted: April 19 2015 at 19:29
Funny you would mention Tibetan ritual music, recently found out one of my favorite Nadja songs, Sky Burial, is named after the Tibetan and Mongol Buddhist funeral custom of placing the body exposed on a mountaintop to be eaten by scavenger animals. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DSuoUld6LZk" rel="nofollow - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DSuoUld6LZk -------------
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Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: April 19 2015 at 20:35
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I'll post a couple links here. It sounds like some of the earliest avant-garde music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E30e1qjlu6g" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E30e1qjlu6g http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGvJiOBSjYg" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGvJiOBSjYg ------------- https://dreamwindow.bandcamp.com/releases" rel="nofollow - My Music
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Posted By: twseel
Date Posted: April 21 2015 at 10:35
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Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: April 22 2015 at 08:31
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The point stands that a good deal of grindcore and pretty much all noise rock is culturally more punk than metal. Drone doom's in turn influenced by The Melvins who on quite a few of their songs took the "punk in slow motion" aspect of Flipper and early Swans expanding it in an extreme direction. Earth seem to have drawn from not just that but also the heavy psychedelic music that metal evolved out of, however it's still focused more on atmosphere than riffing and textural development over the well-defined narrative structure. (i. e. the opposite direction than what metal did different than psych) ------------- "The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook |
Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: April 22 2015 at 09:48
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^That's true although Sunn O))) is a little more on the metal side aesthetically. ------------- https://dreamwindow.bandcamp.com/releases" rel="nofollow - My Music
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Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: April 26 2015 at 03:17
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Time for my effortpost on Melt-Banana to appear: I think I might have found a new favourite band in them. They're like the perfect counter-argument against the stereotypes that punk groups aren't good musicians or interested in ambitious songwriting, and that avant-garde experimental music can't be fun. Not to mention that MxBx (fan nickname) is also a sterling example of extremely violent and aggressive music that's not stereotypically masculine at all. It's fascinating how they can switch gears between many different riffing styles and textures with a rather minimal setup just by way of creative guitar pedals and electronic effects use, fitting it into some pretty inventive and complex song structures while keeping them extremely concise and even catchy. I can't think of many other music groups who buck that many stereotypes at the conceptual level. I think what keeps all those disparate components together is pulling off the entire grim-but-colourful futuristic-but-kinda-lo-fi dystopian aesthetic which I'm a huge fan of, and which is one of the things I like so much about this whole music culture. MxBx seem to add a distinctly Japanese twist on it, I get a similar vibe from their music as Akira and Ghost in the Shell even more so. So far my favourite of their albums is the cliché pick of Cell-Scape, because that's where that entire conceptual aesthetic Gesamtkunstwerk aspect of their music is realized the fullest. For those who aren't familiar with the band I'll post a couple of my favourite songs from that album: Heard their earlier, punkier records and the newest one Fetch are just as good though? ------------- "The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook |
Posted By: twseel
Date Posted: April 27 2015 at 00:39
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It's a bit like Mr. Bungle and Atari Teenage Riot but more Japanese. I will be listening to this. -------------
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Posted By: twseel
Date Posted: April 30 2015 at 03:56
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Well I've heard Charlie and Fetch now, both very pleasant. I wouldn't call it dystopian though, it's not very dreamy indeed, but it isn't very cynical either. With the whole J-Pop vibe behind it it's actually rather quirky. How about Dead C for dystopian noise rock: HolyMoly is a big fan and this album is growing on me too -------------
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Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: April 30 2015 at 08:45
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It does have this neon-lit cyberpunk future feel to it, though. Maybe it's the kind of rock music that people living in that kind of society would listen to, at least the "weird kids". ------------- "The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook |
Posted By: twseel
Date Posted: May 02 2015 at 02:45
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So this has taken me a long time to think about... It does sound like some kind of more neutral punk with more advanced technology, so maybe it will be better excepted in a colder post-modern society. Anyhow, did you hear Dead C? -------------
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: May 02 2015 at 02:58
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i recomend Vaiping art industrial rock -------------
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Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: May 02 2015 at 10:40
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The Dead C give me a strong The Birthday Party vibe in the abrasive and kinda post-apocalyptic expression their entire stlye has, but with a Kosmische Musik expansiveness in the scope of their music and how they build up their "soundscapes". I haven't listened to them that much, but that's what I get from the songs I have heard. ------------- "The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook |
Posted By: twseel
Date Posted: June 09 2015 at 16:31
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Y'all noiseacs/noiseniks/nosey non-noisers oughta hear this thing I heard, collage noise would be an apt description but it does get intense: (this video isn't on the right volume though, you might wanna turn it up) -------------
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Posted By: twseel
Date Posted: June 09 2015 at 16:31
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Posted By: Sheavy
Date Posted: March 13 2016 at 18:21
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THE RESURRECTION!!!!!!! Does anyone else here like Power Electronics/Death Industrial? A brief definition/history. PE is an offshoot of the Industrial scene of the late 70's and early 80's, PE can be defined as generally featuring either harsh shrieking feedback, walls of impenetrable or static noise, or a pulsating, throbbing repetitive synth, set to screamed vocals (or just simply screams), and sometimes spoken word or something pilfered from tv or radio. Lyrics are almost always designed to be as shocking as they can be humanly made; racism, misogyny, and any form of depravity is explored, all the way down to the liner notes and artwork, though I would say nearly every band explores these subjects in a tongue in cheek way, being so over the top that it's impossible to take seriously. Death Industrial is essentially the same except generally quieter (which is relative) and less noise inspired, instead being more inspired musically by dark ambient and drone. It's hard to put many groups into one or the other, as they often flip between the two even on a single album. The term Power Electronics was first used by Whitehouse on the album Psychopathia Sexualis, and they are credited with being the first PE band. Along with Whitehouse, other notable PE bands include Sutcliffe Jugend, Mauthausen Orchestra, Prurient, Con-Dom, Deathpile, The Grey Wolves and Bizarre Uproar. Artists often considered Death Industrial include Genocide Organ, Brighter Death Now (either could be considered the first DI act imho), Atrax Morgue, and IRM. -------------
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Posted By: LearsFool
Date Posted: March 13 2016 at 18:53
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I listen to a little PE, just like my gym teacher always wanted me to. Love me some Ramleh, which stretched, contorted, and went beyond PE, plus Whitehouse, Prurient, Pharmakon, and a little Sutcliffe Jugend. But mainly I want to talk about Ramleh. -------------
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Posted By: Sheavy
Date Posted: March 14 2016 at 17:19
Yeah, but out of all they have done, the noise rock/grunge stuff, the psychedelic improvised stuff, I much prefer the Noise/Power Electronic of their early 80's output. I wish their was more of their PE stuff readily available, I've only got Valediction, We Created It Vol III, and Hole In The Heart. I really want to get the other volumes of the We Created It series. The Awake! 8 CD re-release would be awesome to have, but that's way out of my price range...  -------------
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Posted By: LearsFool
Date Posted: March 14 2016 at 17:45
I myself prefer the '80's era material. Hole In The Heart is of course king, I also really like the noisy 31/5/62/82 and the desolate A Return To Slavery. Still, though, Be Careful What You Wish For is excellent itself, I think it's neat to have noise rock that is flanked by plenty of, y'know, harsh noise. -------------
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Posted By: Sheavy
Date Posted: March 19 2016 at 14:42
Do you have a physical copy of the 31/5/1962 - 1982 cassette  -------------
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Posted By: Prog Geo
Date Posted: March 19 2016 at 14:56
I'm glad that there's a thread about those genres here! Because when I'm on air and I transmit noise or musique concrete etc., they don't really like it! That's why I have few listeners! Even the co-producers don't like it! Though, it's a bit extreme to transmit Daniel Menche/Zbigniew Karkowski (an example) on a web prog radio station! :pp A co-producer was in shock! At first, he thought the player was broken! 
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Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: June 09 2016 at 23:19
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I need some recs. Lowercase, EAI, and Onkyo. Ambient influences welcome. ------------- https://dreamwindow.bandcamp.com/releases" rel="nofollow - My Music
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