Classic QF #4 - Octopus v. Storia di Minuto
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Topic: Classic QF #4 - Octopus v. Storia di Minuto
Posted By: micky
Subject: Classic QF #4 - Octopus v. Storia di Minuto
Date Posted: September 12 2015 at 10:15
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Next up since Quaterfinal #3 is not decided yet... Quarterfinal #4. On paper the best matchup of the Classics and perhaps of all the Quarterfinals. Two giants.. two heavyweights.. two fabulous albums. Unfortunately 1 is english.. the other not. Will that decide it? We shall see ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 12 2015 at 10:20
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just like other rounds.. would have been a much harder vote with Three Friends or Acquiring the Taste. Those had a beauty Octopus doesn't.. and one Storia di Minuto has in spades. Oh and it still kicked a bunch of ass as well. Enough to fracture my hand once playing air drums.. PFM baby... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: September 12 2015 at 10:21
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micky wrote:Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: September 12 2015 at 10:22
| According to my ears Storia is perfect from start to finish while Octopus isn't (Its highs are breathtaking though). |
Posted By: GKR
Date Posted: September 12 2015 at 10:26
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I guess Octopus is more ambitious... yes, going with Octopus. ------------- - From each according to his ability, to each according to his need. |
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: September 12 2015 at 10:32
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PFM for me ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: September 12 2015 at 10:38
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Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: September 12 2015 at 12:17
| Storia's lyrics are terrible and vocals are lightweight in the extreme and it's not yet entirely its own thing in the way that subsequent PFM albums were. Compared with Giant's most daring project lyrically and vocally, I don't think it stands up. And Giant are way ahead on musicianship and composition at this point, imho. Not to knock Storia, it's a good album, but I don't think it matches up to the real heavyweights. |
Posted By: LearsFool
Date Posted: September 12 2015 at 12:28
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Another for the bakery. -------------  
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: September 12 2015 at 12:34
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Confeitaria Premiada Marconi. But the Polvo is great indeed! ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: September 12 2015 at 13:17
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octopussy ------------- Magma America Great Make Again |
Posted By: akaBona
Date Posted: September 12 2015 at 18:03
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This one was very very difficult. I voted GG. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: September 12 2015 at 23:07
| Not really a fan of either, but I think Storia de un Minuto is more pleasant. |
Posted By: t d wombat
Date Posted: September 13 2015 at 03:03
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Oh its a funny old world isn't it ? I began this poll nonsense muttering how GG were one of those bands that were massively overrated. Last round I was directed to check out some of their other stuff which I've had to admit I am quite enjoying. Now I'm onto side two of Octopus and yep, really liking it, more so perhaps than some of those kind souls who sent me off to their other stuff, notably Acquiring and Friends, give it credit for. Shoot. Shoot. Shoot. Never did get the hang of activating brain before opening mouth. Don't know that they are yet up to knocking out Storia as that has long been a favourite but its going to be closer than I would have thought. ------------- Andrew B “Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read.” ― Julius Henry Marx |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 13 2015 at 06:40
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*spits coffee on monitor* you all really suck  ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: September 13 2015 at 06:55
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: September 13 2015 at 07:08
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Italian lyrics translated in English generally sound terrible (which is true for a lot of translations), and Mogol (the author of said lyrics, and Italy's foremost pop lyricist for quite a long time) could often be cheesy. Other RPI bands had far better lyrics than the ones on Storia (Banco and Jumbo come to mind). That being said, I don't listen to prog because of the lyrics. If I like them, it's a bonus, but if I don't, there's still the music - and I happen to be a big fan of instrumental music. |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: September 13 2015 at 08:10
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All the GG fans sneak in and vote overnight without posting? ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 13 2015 at 08:14
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ashamed I suppose.. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: AEProgman
Date Posted: September 13 2015 at 08:25
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Tough choice, but PFM sorta easy for me. Love me RPI! ------------- 
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Posted By: sublime220
Date Posted: September 13 2015 at 12:53
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OCTOPUS FOREVER ------------- There is no dark side in the moon, really... Matter of fact, it's all dark... |
Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: September 13 2015 at 13:16
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Any other of GG's first eight albums would've had me vote differently here, but as it's not, I'll go with the Italians. Another vote that probably won't help though. -------------  
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Posted By: t d wombat
Date Posted: September 13 2015 at 17:40
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Whoa ... that turned into something of a rout. Listened yet again to Storia last evening. OK, so I've warmed to Octopus but nah ... no contest for me but doesn't look like my vote will save the day. ------------- Andrew B “Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read.” ― Julius Henry Marx |
Posted By: Olape
Date Posted: September 13 2015 at 19:13
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GG is one of my favourite bands, but Octopus is not in my top five of them. PFM's Storia, on the other hand, is one my first RPI albums (beside YS, Inferno and Arbeit macht frei) and the one I most enjoy from this band to this day. +1 PFM ------------- 
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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: September 13 2015 at 23:07
| Storia di un Minuto |
Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: September 14 2015 at 00:19
| PFM. My vote would be the same with any other GG album. They're all the same. |
Posted By: Imperial Zeppelin
Date Posted: September 14 2015 at 02:05
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PFM for me too ------------- "Hey there, Dog Man, now I drink from your bowl." |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: September 14 2015 at 04:03
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PFM's best albums were the ones after the debut IMHO, though the debut is certainly good. GG were at a peak with Octopus, so GG it is.
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: September 14 2015 at 04:39
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Love both but my heart says PFM. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: September 14 2015 at 06:21
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PFM, I've always found GG's music to be rather cold and lifeless. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 14 2015 at 16:18
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some of the GG comments really do amaze me... there was a very definite difference in their sound from early to late and Octopus was the transition point iMO. Not as cold and lifeless as later albums were.. but definitely not full of the beauty and atmosphere the earlier ones did. well done forumites... we all know GG was going to win this. But the PFM album is as good .. even better IMO.. we can't make you see it or even listen to it as the 20 odd anonymous voters likely did not the first day .. but at least it is respectable which make me happy. It didn't deserve to get slaughtered hahaha.  ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: t d wombat
Date Posted: September 14 2015 at 18:31
Yea to that my fine fellow. ------------- Andrew B “Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read.” ― Julius Henry Marx |
Posted By: progrockdeepcuts
Date Posted: September 14 2015 at 18:48
Terrific GG album and the one record that made me realize prog was bigger than those five bands we all know and love. I've never heard the PFM, so I'll hold off voting.
I agree, but to me Octopus is the 'last great' GG album. I do like In a Glass House, but it lacks the atmosphere I loved so much about the first 4, particularly Acquiring the Taste. ------------- Listen to older shows here: mixcloud.com/progrockdeepcuts/ |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 14 2015 at 18:58
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 14 2015 at 19:02
yep... I would count Schooldays from Three Friends to be one my my top 20 songs of all time.. and once you cut out the Pat Benatar and Willie Nelson songs that would make it a top 10 alltime prog rock track. Absolutely mezmoring in its beauty and how the music breathed and flowed.. something GG completely forgot later.As a album.. oh yeah... Acquiring the Taste all the way. Again.. the perfect mix of technicality and beauty. Something so few bands really can do well.. and speaking of one that did... Do listen to that PFM album.. it likely won't change your vote now... but in a couple years of growing and loving it.. it just might for the next tournmant in 2025 hahah ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: progrockdeepcuts
Date Posted: September 14 2015 at 19:11
It's on the list! I love Per un Amico ------------- Listen to older shows here: mixcloud.com/progrockdeepcuts/ |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 14 2015 at 19:27
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then you ought to be in lust with this one.. I always thought Per un Amico nailed the beauty aspect.. but lacked a bit of testacles.. as I noted in the first post. I actually fractured my hand once air drumming to this album. I rank that 3rd of their classic 3. A little bland for my tastes.. this one and L'isola di Niente packed some serious muscle as well as tickling the heart... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: progrockdeepcuts
Date Posted: September 14 2015 at 19:30
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$6.99 on Amazon?! I might just have to do that ... ------------- Listen to older shows here: mixcloud.com/progrockdeepcuts/ |
Posted By: symphonicman
Date Posted: September 14 2015 at 23:45
Premiata Forneria Marconi, Storia di un minuto.------------- Master James of St. George. Of the fields and the sky. He used to build castles of stone, steel, and blood. But lines get broken down. |
Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: September 15 2015 at 03:13
Terrible was probably me being annoyed at the lack of effort rather than necessarily the result. The vocals are really light on the touch, to a fault I think - the next couple of PFM albums were a lot stronger in that department but up against this...
Yeah, I can only really understand Italian lyrics when sung slowly in harmonies which is very convenient here. My Italian's not great (I've read some Dante and bits of academic stuff but listening is not my strong suit) - I tend to like Banco and Le Orme's lyrics a bit more because they seem to be aspiring to do something with them. I kind of feel that if you're not going to bother with the lyrics you may as well go the Magma route, I can't really just ignore them the way a lot of prog fans do. |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: September 15 2015 at 06:09
Well, yes, I prefer Acquiring The Taste and Three Friends, indeed because of more beauty and atmosphere, but Octopus is still a very enjoyable album, and IMHO a peak in their career, because it is a very adventurous album and their most eclectic. |
Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: September 15 2015 at 11:11
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wow absolutely love both of these need to listen again before voting ------------- Prog On! |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: September 15 2015 at 16:00
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Octopus ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: September 19 2015 at 07:45
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PFM's debut was one of my first prog albums, and seeing them perform Impressioni di settembre at NEARfest 2009 almost brought me to tears. Really sorry to see them go, though Octopus is a more than worthy opponent. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 19 2015 at 07:47
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if it had to go.. at least it wasn't to a f**king Supertramp album ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Cosmiclawnmower
Date Posted: September 19 2015 at 18:40
I love all the 'Vertigo' years GG lps but i must go with my emotions and sentimentality and choose PFM ------------- |